Jim Boeheim Believes Syracuse Needs $10 million in NIL to Be Competitive

[cuseinseattle]

Did you watch Louisville get boat raced by Tennessee last night?

Who's beaten Tenn this year?

 

[cuseinseattle]

What’s interesting is the loss to Hofstra is the first non-P4 (or Big East) loss during the Autry era.

However, it is abundantly clear that Autry & Co. aren’t going to get this program where it should be.

Where should it be. What is our ceiling. It's not the 80's and Boeheim is gone.

 

[SUFan44]

Where should it be. What is our ceiling. It's not the 80's and Boeheim is gone.

It should not be 14-19 ever - you can start there.

 

[cuseinseattle]

It should not be 14-19 ever - you can start there.

So if we finish better than 14-19 he should keep his job? Is that what you are saying?

 

[cuseinseattle]

Sorry, I can respect what Jim did for the program. And will always recognize that.

However, he also held the program hostage the last 8 years and ran it into the ground. Then the only way he went kicking and screaming was to get a cushy job with a high salary. Oh; and hire someone on the bench that was there for the last 8 years, which was the worst stretch in Jim’s tenure.

8 is a little much. Sweet 16 and final 4 in the last 8.

 

[OttosDad]

8 is a little much. Sweet 16 and final 4 in the last 8.

He lucked into the final 4 let’s be honest. That is when he should have called it quits was after that run. They avoided Michigan St, and pulled two wins out of their ass against Gonzaga and UVA. Then, they got pummeled by UNC. People also forget, there’s a clear argument that can be made that the 2016 team regressed. They won the Battle for Atlantis, and then limped into the NCAA tourney.

I’m not sure what happened, but the program was never the same since the back-half of the 2013-2014 Ennis year. Another team that limped into the tourney. And got smoked in what was essentially home game in the round of 32 by Dayton.

The signs of the decline were there beginning in February of 2014. The administration didn’t have the backbone to move on from JAB. Simple as that

 

[Fly Rodder]

The administration didn’t have the backbone to move on from JAB. Simple as that​

That was some amazing manuevering by JAB. He took advantage a chaotic situation and instead of being fired for a second set of NCAA penalties, not only kept his job but got an extension to coach his kids. He played SU like a fiddle.

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March 2015: Sanctions hit, Daryl Gross resigns as AD​

June 2015: Mark Coyle hired as AD​

Boeheim gets a succession plan instead of being fired.​

Hopkins designated as next head coach to start in 2018-19.​

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May 2016: Mark Coyle resigns to take the Minnesota job.​

July 2016: John Wildhack leaves ESPN to become SU's AD.​

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March 15, 2017: Lorenzo Romar fired from UW.​

March 19, 2017: Hopkins named new head coach of UW​

March 2017: Boeheim gets a 5 year contract extension.​

September 2017: Buddy Boeheim commits to Syracuse to play for his dad.​

 

[kingtidge]

That was some amazing manuevering by JAB. He took advantage a chaotic situation and instead of being fired for a second set of NCAA penalties, not only kept his job but got an extension to coach his kids. He played SU like a fiddle.

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March 2015: Sanctions hit, Daryl Gross resigns as AD​

June 2015: Mark Coyle hired as AD​

Boeheim gets a succession plan instead of being fired.​

Hopkins designated as next head coach to start in 2018-19.​

​

May 2016: Mark Coyle resigns to take the Minnesota job.​

July 2016: John Wildhack leaves ESPN to become SU's AD.​

​

March 15, 2017: Lorenzo Romar fired from UW.​

March 19, 2017: Hopkins named new head coach of UW​

March 2017: Boeheim gets a 5 year contract extension.​

September 2017: Buddy Boeheim commits to Syracuse to play for his dad.​

I am pissed you wrote this and that I had to read it. I do not get warm fuzzies when this history is rehashed. I have docked you with 10 demerits and you are on a warning.

 

[MSOrange]

8 is a little much. Sweet 16 and final 4 in the last 8.

Starting in 2014-15, there was a noticeable decline. Yes we still had some highlights, but the overall picture was one of decline and it should be ok to admit that. If there was a decline in success like this at any place I've worked, it would sure get attention.

Jim Boeheim - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tbonezone]

daddy ball was the tipping point. the entire nation to recruit and you limit your search to your driveway.

 

[baggerbob]

I am pissed you wrote this and that I had to read it. I do not get warm fuzzies when this history is rehashed. I have docked you with 10 demerits and you are on a warning.

Unfortunately it's the truth and the reason we have become a laughing stock in basketball.

 

[CuseIn282xx]

He also thinks that Syracuse Football needs $20-$22 million in NIL.

In an interview on Joe Rogan, billionaire investor Marc Andreesen floated the idea that it may be inevitable that schools will sell a percentage of their teams for a multi-hundred million dollar stake to venture capitalist firms in order to compete in the NIL market.

 

[Brooky03]

That was some amazing manuevering by JAB. He took advantage a chaotic situation and instead of being fired for a second set of NCAA penalties, not only kept his job but got an extension to coach his kids. He played SU like a fiddle.

​

March 2015: Sanctions hit, Daryl Gross resigns as AD​

June 2015: Mark Coyle hired as AD​

Boeheim gets a succession plan instead of being fired.​

Hopkins designated as next head coach to start in 2018-19.​

​

May 2016: Mark Coyle resigns to take the Minnesota job.​

July 2016: John Wildhack leaves ESPN to become SU's AD.​

​

March 15, 2017: Lorenzo Romar fired from UW.​

March 19, 2017: Hopkins named new head coach of UW​

March 2017: Boeheim gets a 5 year contract extension.​

September 2017: Buddy Boeheim commits to Syracuse to play for his dad.​

The sanctions stemmed primarily from infractions by the Athletic Department, so it makes sense the AD took the hit. The NCAA just decides everything is the coach’s fault. CEO’s of billion dollar companies are allowed more wiggle room for stuff they couldn’t/didn’t know about, but not college coaches. It’s odd and it’s odd to accept the NCAA’s stance on that.

Buddy, as much as people hate to admit it for whatever reason, was a legitimate D1 basketball player and the metrics and eye test support it. Acting like Buddy was ever the problem is weird as heck. His brother didn’t belong here; the criticism for that move is warranted (and criticism of JAB’s approach to recruiting).

 

[Scooch]

That was some amazing manuevering by JAB. He took advantage a chaotic situation and instead of being fired for a second set of NCAA penalties, not only kept his job but got an extension to coach his kids. He played SU like a fiddle.

​

March 2015: Sanctions hit, Daryl Gross resigns as AD​

June 2015: Mark Coyle hired as AD​

Boeheim gets a succession plan instead of being fired.​

Hopkins designated as next head coach to start in 2018-19.​

​

May 2016: Mark Coyle resigns to take the Minnesota job.​

July 2016: John Wildhack leaves ESPN to become SU's AD.​

​

March 15, 2017: Lorenzo Romar fired from UW.​

March 19, 2017: Hopkins named new head coach of UW​

March 2017: Boeheim gets a 5 year contract extension.​

September 2017: Buddy Boeheim commits to Syracuse to play for his dad.​

He should have been gently pushed out after the 2016 season. I said it at the time, no 20/20 hindsight. I mean, Is there a coach that was able to survive major TWO probations?

 

[Brooky03]

He should have been gently pushed out after the 2016 season. I said it at the time, no 20/20 hindsight. I mean, Is there a coach that was able to survive major TWO probations?

They were 20 years apart. Not many coaches last 20 years at one school in the first place.

 

[Scooch]

They were 20 years apart. Not many couches last 20 years at one school in the first place.

Sure. And yet, after you get a massive probation once you should probably make sure it never happens again. JB didn’t.

 

[Brooky03]

Sure. And yet, after you get a massive probation once you should probably make sure it never happens again. JB didn’t.

How would he have stopped it? Promoting a culture of compliance isn’t a thing. It’s a fantasy concept.

He wasn’t permitted to know Fab’s academic situation ahead of time. He hired the guy who cheated for Fab and that’s enough to hang JAB? That wouldn’t stick in a kangaroo court. The drug thing was entirely on the AD. Guys making side dough in the summer as YMCA refs was also on the AD. More importantly, allowing the NCAA to drop a nuke over relatively minor infractions was a giant mistake by the school. Schools have fought the NCAA over worse and won.

 

[Scooch]

How would he have stopped it? Promoting a culture of compliance isn’t a thing. It’s a fantasy concept.

He wasn’t permitted to know Fab’s academic situation. He hired the guy who cheated for Fab and that’s enough to hang JAB? That wouldn’t stick in a kangaroo court. The drug thing was entirely on the AD. Guys making side dough in the summer as YMCA refs was also on the AD. More importantly, allowing the NCAA to drop a nuke over relatively minor infractions was a giant mistake by the school. Schools have fought the NCAA over worse and won.

Sure, JB didn’t know what was going on and was just a victim. That tracks.

 

[Brooky03]

Sure, JB didn’t know what was going on and was just a victim. That tracks.

Right, because when employees are about to do something sketchy at work they always make sure to let the boss know first. Everybody knows that. And the boss saying, “hey don’t do sketchy stuff because I’m omniscient and will know everything” will stop that.

If only Jim reminded them not to do bad things!!! [shakes fist at the heavens].

(Meanwhile Coach K is complimenting his players’ $20k jewelry)

 

[Scooch]

Right, because when employees are about to do something sketchy at work they always make sure to let the boss know first. Everybody knows that.

So to be clear… Jim Boeheim, coach at SU for 40+ years at that point, didn’t have complete awareness of what was happening in his program? The guy who had the BOT wrapped around his finger? The guy who had more little birdies in the AD than the bald castrati on Game of Thrones?

Fab Melo just magically started passing classes and Jim didn’t ignore that implausibility purposefully?

I got a bridge to sell you, my friend.

 

[Brooky03]

So to be clear… Jim Boeheim, coach at SU for 40+ years at that point, didn’t have complete awareness of what was happening in his program? The guy who had the BOT wrapped around his finger? The guy who had more little birdies in the AD than the bald castrati on Game of Thrones?

Fab Melo just magically started passing classes and Jim didn’t ignore that implausibility purposefully?

I got a bridge to sell you, my friend.

NCAA coaches are told whether a player is eligible or ineligible academically. They are not allowed/meant to be privy to any of the particulars (unless volunteered by the player). Schools won’t even let parents know how the kid whose education they’re funding is doing.

Whether Jim had spies who told him what was up (speculative to the max) would be moot. To jump to the conclusion that he instructed the director of basketball ops to cheat for Fab is wild and antithetical to any sense of due process.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire… but there wasn’t any smoke.

 

[Scooch]

NCAA coaches are told whether a player is eligible or ineligible academically. They are not allowed/meant to be privy to any of the particulars (unless volunteered by the player). Schools won’t even let parents know how the kid whose education they’re funding is doing.

As the parent of a college athlete, this simply isn’t true. Many Coaches meet with players regularly to discuss their academics. Yes, a player can refuse to talk about it. Of course that would also send up a ton of red flags.

Look, JB didn’t want to “know”. That’s how he’s always been.

 

[Brooky03]

As the parent of a college athlete, this simply isn’t true. Many Coaches meet with players regularly to discuss their academics. Yes, a player can refuse to talk about it. Of course that would also send up a ton of red flags.

Look, JB didn’t want to “know”. That’s how he’s always been.

You know what, maybe that’s so. Maybe Jim could have been more involved with the academics of his players. But how or why does delegating that then make him responsible for the, presumably, unauthorized actions of his employee?

These are the facts as I understand them:

- The NCAA hit SU with APR sanctions because our players weren’t performing well enough academically; sending the message that programs are responsible for making sure their players attend and pass classes.

- Jim Boeheim hires a person to ensure players attend and pass classes. Seems pretty compliant.

- That employee and others on the staff, including Jim Boeheim, meet with Compliance every so often and go over the ground rules, which the NCAA doesn’t dispute. One of those ground rules was probably ‘don’t write papers for players.’

- Fab Melo flunks a class or classes, making him ineligible.

- Jim and staff look for a way to make him eligible. They find out he could write a paper and one of Fab’s professors will change his grade. Cool.

- I assume Jim instructs the director of bball ops to coordinate the completion of the assignment with Fab and the professor.

So far, all appears reasonable, yeah? Or no?

- Fab writes the paper but it sucks, so the director of bball ops takes it a step further and edits the paper to make sure Fab gets a good grade.

That’s the smoking gun that JB didn’t care about compliance? Or worse, that’s enough to be confident JB told his employee to tamper with the paper? How? What was the alternative?

 

[elimunelson]

He just needs to go away.

He should have been gently pushed out after the 2016 season. I said it at the time, no 20/20 hindsight. I mean, Is there a coach that was able to survive major TWO probations?

Mayor boeheim

 

[hoopsupstate]

You know what, maybe that’s so. Maybe Jim could have been more involved with the academics of his players. But how or why does delegating that then make him responsible for the, presumably, unauthorized actions of his employee?

These are the facts as I understand them:

- The NCAA hit SU with APR sanctions because our players weren’t performing well enough academically; sending the message that programs are responsible for making sure their players attend and pass classes.

- Jim Boeheim hires a person to ensure players attend and pass classes. Seems pretty compliant.

- That employee and others on the staff, including Jim Boeheim, meet with Compliance every so often and go over the ground rules, which the NCAA doesn’t dispute. One of those ground rules was probably ‘don’t write papers for players.’

- Fab Melo flunks a class or classes, making him ineligible.

- Jim and staff look for a way to make him eligible. They find out he could write a paper and one of Fab’s professors will change his grade. Cool.

- I assume Jim instructs the director of bball ops to coordinate the completion of the assignment with Fab and the professor.

So far, all appears reasonable, yeah? Or no?

- Fab writes the paper but it sucks, so the director of bball ops takes it a step further and edits the paper to make sure Fab gets a good grade.

That’s the smoking gun that JB didn’t care about compliance? Or worse, that’s enough to be confident JB told his employee to tamper with the paper? How? What was the alternative?

He also ignored the athletic rules for drug testing and eligibility. His answer, we couldn’t do anything about it anyways. He totally blew off university drug testing policy and penalties that go along with it.