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Joe Filardi

J Connelly said:
I put the blame on the staff. They recruited these quarterbacks and have not yet developed any! Both quarterbacks , Steve and Kyle were developed by other programs!
Let’s hope coaching changes change the outcome.
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Not every player can be developed into a starting quality P4 player and most need more than a year especially at QB.
 
This kid was never intended to be our starting quarterback.
He was going to be a starting lacrosse player and a walk on quarterback who could give us an extra body in the qb room.
I am sure the most he expected was to run the scout team.

This kid did us a solid when clearly nobody else was willing to go out there.
I applaud this kid for his courage to go out there unprepared in a clearly broken system.
At minimum, it should have been Collins or Carney out there, not this poor kid.

And he literally got nothing for it, not even a scholarship.
No thanks for his efforts, just a lot of anger and disappointment.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
They all had physical attributes that cannot be taught. Is Filardi going to grow another 2-3 inches, add 25 more pounds, while also increasing his arm strength?


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Not to go on a tangent but was Rony really that bad? That is like 2 years before my SU BBall fandom. He was All Big East Freshman team. That said, the conference was smaller then and freshmen didn't play as much either. At the same time, he was 10th in rebounds and 4th in blocks in the Big East.
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Yeah, comparing Filardi to those guys does not make sense. You're right, Filardi lacks the physical tools to do what we need. He reminds me of Troy Nunes. If the rest of the team was really solid, especially oline with a really good running game, I think he could manage games, but that's about it.
 
Irishsecra1 said:
This kid was never intended to be our starting quarterback.
He was going to be a starting lacrosse player and a walk on quarterback who could give us an extra body in the qb room.
I am sure the most he expected was to run the scout team.

This kid did us a solid when clearly nobody else was willing to go out there.
I applaud this kid for his courage to go out there unprepared in a clearly broken system.
At minimum, it should have been Collins or Carney out there, not this poor kid.

And he literally got nothing for it, not even a scholarship.
No thanks for his efforts, just a lot of anger and disappointment.
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This right here.
 
Archbold44 said:
Definitely not super young. McNabb started as a REDSHIRT freshman. He got to spend his true freshman year learning, practicing, getting stronger, etc. Filardi was scout team for who knows how many weeks, given one week of practice PT, and got a start.

Seikaly started every game but looked very raw. I was at at least two of his first five games. He was very good at blocking shots and rebounding, but he also had Wendell Alexis to help on boards. He had very occasional flashes of scoring., but he also had Pearl feeding him for dunks, and Wendell Alexis and Raf Addison (and Pearl) giving him space. Seikaly as a FR was frequently in frustrating foul trouble... in fact, he fouled out 8 times and average nearly 4 fouls per game all year. In contrast, as a junior, he fouled out only once, averaging exactly 3 fouls a game, twice as many points, and just as many rebounds/blocks. It really seemed to click at the end of Year 2, during our FF run. He scored 20+ points in the first four games. Year 3 he took off.
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Comparing Filardi to mcnabb is wild. One actually came here to play football
 
Irishsecra1 said:
This kid was never intended to be our starting quarterback.
He was going to be a starting lacrosse player and a walk on quarterback who could give us an extra body in the qb room.
I am sure the most he expected was to run the scout team.

This kid did us a solid when clearly nobody else was willing to go out there.
I applaud this kid for his courage to go out there unprepared in a clearly broken system.
At minimum, it should have been Collins or Carney out there, not this poor kid.

And he literally got nothing for it, not even a scholarship.
No thanks for his efforts, just a lot of anger and disappointment.
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I don’t believe for a second Luke “didn’t want to go out there”

And joe has a scholarship according to his own comments
 
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Irishsecra1 said:
This kid was never intended to be our starting quarterback.
He was going to be a starting lacrosse player and a walk on quarterback who could give us an extra body in the qb room.
I am sure the most he expected was to run the scout team.

This kid did us a solid when clearly nobody else was willing to go out there.
I applaud this kid for his courage to go out there unprepared in a clearly broken system.
At minimum, it should have been Collins or Carney out there, not this poor kid.

And he literally got nothing for it, not even a scholarship.
No thanks for his efforts, just a lot of anger and disappointment.
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No one is questioning a word you said. Which is weird that so many people seem to bring this up. He can be all of the above AND not talented enough to play football here. It isn’t a reflection on him as a person nor his heart. And no one is blaming him for the disaster.
 
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Blanko97 said:
Comparing Filardi to mcnabb is wild. One actually came here to play football
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And the one that came here to play football was NOT forced to start 3 games as a true freshman, while the one that came here to play lacrosse/football WAS. So you have no idea how much worse McNabb would have looked relative to HIS abilities if in put in the same situation as Filardi.

Michigan had a walk-on QB enter the portal. But that walk-on earned a scholarship... ended up beating Ohio State on the road and Alabama in a bowl. Michigan fans love him. Passed for 100 yards or so in those games. So not a great talent. I am sure he would have looked downright terrible during his redshirt/walk-on year if thrust into the starting role.

This is 100% on the coaches, not Filardi. Maybe Filardi's maximum upside is a QB#3 somewhere in FBS. But to judge him based on the coaches screwing every QB over is unfair.
 
Archbold44 said:
And the one that came here to play football was NOT forced to start 3 games as a true freshman, while the one that came here to play lacrosse/football WAS. So you have no idea how much worse McNabb would have looked relative to HIS abilities if in put in the same situation as Filardi.

Michigan had a walk-on QB enter the portal. But that walk-on earned a scholarship... ended up beating Ohio State on the road and Alabama in a bowl. Michigan fans love him. Passed for 100 yards or so in those games. So not a great talent. I am sure he would have looked downright terrible during his redshirt/walk-on year if thrust into the starting role.

This is 100% on the coaches, not Filardi. Maybe Filardi's maximum upside is a QB#3 somewhere in FBS. But to judge him based on the coaches screwing every QB over is unfair.
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that first paragraph is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum, and there have been some doozies, kudos
 
DoctahLexus said:
I was being rude and I apologize.

I just feel like you are putting way too much focus on Filardi and not the staff that put him in this situation. I agree that having him in at qb was a major part of why the season sucked, but the dudes who put the qb room together are to blame and deserve the most grief.
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Couldnt agree more. This was coaching malpractice. It was not Joe's fault.
 
Archbold44 said:
And the one that came here to play football was NOT forced to start 3 games as a true freshman, while the one that came here to play lacrosse/football WAS. So you have no idea how much worse McNabb would have looked relative to HIS abilities if in put in the same situation as Filardi.

Michigan had a walk-on QB enter the portal. But that walk-on earned a scholarship... ended up beating Ohio State on the road and Alabama in a bowl. Michigan fans love him. Passed for 100 yards or so in those games. So not a great talent. I am sure he would have looked downright terrible during his redshirt/walk-on year if thrust into the starting role.

This is 100% on the coaches, not Filardi. Maybe Filardi's maximum upside is a QB#3 somewhere in FBS. But to judge him based on the coaches screwing every QB over is unfair.
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I feel pretty safe assuming Donovan mcnabb, a touted football recruit, would’ve done infinitely better than Filardi even if he started on day 1. The fact that we are even comparing them is ridiculous
 
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Blanko97 said:
I feel pretty safe assuming Donovan mcnabb, a touted football recruit, would’ve done infinitely better than Filardi even if he started on day 1. The fact that we are even comparing them is ridiculous
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Who is comparing them? Good grief, is reading comprehension dead in this forum? I am pointing out that:

#1 McNabb--one of the best Syracuse QBs ever--did not even play as a true freshman. If one of our best QBs ever was shelved as a true freshman, why are we playing a true freshman who was recruited as our 3rd QB in the class as a true freshman? If the coaches did not play McNabb as a true freshman, was it perhaps EVEN HE was not ready? Why would we expect a project QB (at best) to be ready to start games on national TV (UNC and ND), plus what I consider (but apprently the coaches didn't consider) an important game against BC? Project QBs are supposed to be developed over time... not thrust in way before they are game ready.

#2 How many second tier Syracuse starting QBs played as true freshmen? How many third tier? I am sorry that your blind love for these coaches is so strong that you cannot see that Filardi had NO business being on the field and are judging his talent (or lack thereof) based on their incompetence is unfair. I can see programs playing their #1 true freshman recruit late in the season to get experience, maybe even start a game. But if you bring in a guy to be a project QB at best... give him garbage time (that they were not even giving Carney).

#3. I don't want to see Filardi out there again any time soon, much less starting. But I am not the one that played him in the first place. I don't blame the kid or rule him out forever. Because I cannot ignore the number of players that went from nothing to something from ages 18 to 22. So I am not blaming the staff for keeping him on the roster as a project either. Let's see if he does turn into something.
 
Archbold44 said:
Who is comparing them? Good grief, is reading comprehension dead in this forum? I am pointing out that:

#1 McNabb--one of the best Syracuse QBs ever--did not even play as a true freshman. If one of our best QBs ever was shelved as a true freshman, why are we playing a true freshman who was recruited as our 3rd QB in the class as a true freshman? If the coaches did not play McNabb as a true freshman, was it perhaps EVEN HE was not ready? Why would we expect a project QB (at best) to be ready to start games on national TV (UNC and ND), plus what I consider (but apprently the coaches didn't consider) an important game against BC? Project QBs are supposed to be developed over time... not thrust in way before they are game ready.

#2 How many second tier Syracuse starting QBs played as true freshmen? How many third tier? I am sorry that your blind love for these coaches is so strong that you cannot see that Filardi had NO business being on the field and are judging his talent (or lack thereof) based on their incompetence is unfair. I can see programs playing their #1 true freshman recruit late in the season to get experience, maybe even start a game. But if you bring in a guy to be a project QB at best... give him garbage time (that they were not even giving Carney).

#3. I don't want to see Filardi out there again any time soon, much less starting. But I am not the one that played him in the first place. I don't blame the kid or rule him out forever. Because I cannot ignore the number of players that went from nothing to something from ages 18 to 22. So I am not blaming the staff for keeping him on the roster as a project either. Let's see if he does turn into something.
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Donovan McNabb redshirted? I don't remember that.
 
The staff brought in two quarterbacks they believed would be solid options for the season.
The rest of the QB room consisted of new players who were essentially projects.


They arrived with no real depth, and frankly, we’re lucky to have gotten the quarterbacks we did. When option #1 gets hurt and option #2 turns into a major failure, you’re forced to try whatever you have. Not many programs can roll out three capable quarterbacks in today’s college football landscape.


We’ll probably never know the full story of why Rickie couldn’t play in games, but it’s fair to assume the game was moving too fast for him, he seemed to freeze or lock up. Filardi and Carney were both thrown into the deep end very quickly, and it was clear the staff believed Filardi was the best option, while Carney simply wasn’t ready.


I hope the staff has learned that you cannot have a roster with only one quarterback who has real game experience, followed by five players who just arrived on campus or only have a few garbage-time snaps.


It will be interesting to see whether Syracuse brings in a dedicated QB coach and what kind of impact that could have. But the bigger issue is the portal: Syracuse needs to bring in two quarterbacks, one with legitimate game experience and another who also has proven tape and meaningful reps.


Ultimately, yes, this falls on the staff and we already saw coaches shuffled or leave because of it.
Did the staff fail to develop high school quarterbacks quickly enough? I don’t think so.
Did they fail to develop Rickie fast enough? Maybe but he had time at LSU and here, so I think that responsibility leans more on him.
Did Fran learn a lesson from this season? I hope so and only time will tell.
 
PAcuse said:
The staff brought in two quarterbacks they believed would be solid options for the season.
The rest of the QB room consisted of new players who were essentially projects.


They arrived with no real depth, and frankly, we’re lucky to have gotten the quarterbacks we did. When option #1 gets hurt and option #2 turns into a major failure, you’re forced to try whatever you have. Not many programs can roll out three capable quarterbacks in today’s college football landscape.


We’ll probably never know the full story of why Rickie couldn’t play in games, but it’s fair to assume the game was moving too fast for him, he seemed to freeze or lock up. Filardi and Carney were both thrown into the deep end very quickly, and it was clear the staff believed Filardi was the best option, while Carney simply wasn’t ready.


I hope the staff has learned that you cannot have a roster with only one quarterback who has real game experience, followed by five players who just arrived on campus or only have a few garbage-time snaps.


It will be interesting to see whether Syracuse brings in a dedicated QB coach and what kind of impact that could have. But the bigger issue is the portal: Syracuse needs to bring in two quarterbacks, one with legitimate game experience and another who also has proven tape and meaningful reps.


Ultimately, yes, this falls on the staff and we already saw coaches shuffled or leave because of it.
Did the staff fail to develop high school quarterbacks quickly enough? I don’t think so.
Did they fail to develop Rickie fast enough? Maybe but he had time at LSU and here, so I think that responsibility leans more on him.
Did Fran learn a lesson from this season? I hope so and only time will tell.
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Well said.
 
PAcuse said:
The staff brought in two quarterbacks they believed would be solid options for the season.
The rest of the QB room consisted of new players who were essentially projects.


They arrived with no real depth, and frankly, we’re lucky to have gotten the quarterbacks we did. When option #1 gets hurt and option #2 turns into a major failure, you’re forced to try whatever you have. Not many programs can roll out three capable quarterbacks in today’s college football landscape.


We’ll probably never know the full story of why Rickie couldn’t play in games, but it’s fair to assume the game was moving too fast for him, he seemed to freeze or lock up. Filardi and Carney were both thrown into the deep end very quickly, and it was clear the staff believed Filardi was the best option, while Carney simply wasn’t ready.


I hope the staff has learned that you cannot have a roster with only one quarterback who has real game experience, followed by five players who just arrived on campus or only have a few garbage-time snaps.


It will be interesting to see whether Syracuse brings in a dedicated QB coach and what kind of impact that could have. But the bigger issue is the portal: Syracuse needs to bring in two quarterbacks, one with legitimate game experience and another who also has proven tape and meaningful reps.


Ultimately, yes, this falls on the staff and we already saw coaches shuffled or leave because of it.
Did the staff fail to develop high school quarterbacks quickly enough? I don’t think so.
Did they fail to develop Rickie fast enough? Maybe but he had time at LSU and here, so I think that responsibility leans more on him.
Did Fran learn a lesson from this season? I hope so and only time will tell.
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5 star post. How dare you be so reasonable.
 
PAcuse said:
The staff brought in two quarterbacks they believed would be solid options for the season.
The rest of the QB room consisted of new players who were essentially projects.


They arrived with no real depth, and frankly, we’re lucky to have gotten the quarterbacks we did. When option #1 gets hurt and option #2 turns into a major failure, you’re forced to try whatever you have. Not many programs can roll out three capable quarterbacks in today’s college football landscape.


We’ll probably never know the full story of why Rickie couldn’t play in games, but it’s fair to assume the game was moving too fast for him, he seemed to freeze or lock up. Filardi and Carney were both thrown into the deep end very quickly, and it was clear the staff believed Filardi was the best option, while Carney simply wasn’t ready.


I hope the staff has learned that you cannot have a roster with only one quarterback who has real game experience, followed by five players who just arrived on campus or only have a few garbage-time snaps.


It will be interesting to see whether Syracuse brings in a dedicated QB coach and what kind of impact that could have. But the bigger issue is the portal: Syracuse needs to bring in two quarterbacks, one with legitimate game experience and another who also has proven tape and meaningful reps.


Ultimately, yes, this falls on the staff and we already saw coaches shuffled or leave because of it.
Did the staff fail to develop high school quarterbacks quickly enough? I don’t think so.
Did they fail to develop Rickie fast enough? Maybe but he had time at LSU and here, so I think that responsibility leans more on him.
Did Fran learn a lesson from this season? I hope so and only time will tell.
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I think 2024 started the problem but no one noticed because McCord played every down.

There were 4 Dino guys if you count Williams. Three of them were no good and two were headed out anyway. So Fran had nothing to work with. He needed to bring in more than just McCord and Johnson last year.

That was mistake #1. How do you go into a season with just 3 scholarship QBs? And only one real option for beyond 2024? We were so lucky we didn't have issues last year.

Problem #2 (more of a failure than a mistake) was the recruiting class. He was able to get 2 QB commits but both were long shots. What we ended up with wouldn't have been a big deal for a G6 to pull in.

Problem/Mistake #3 was not getting a 2nd portal QB after last season. Going into Spring ball we only had 4 scholarship QBs signed. None with any experience. That is a huge gamble, even with the high probability of Angeli waiting in the wings. What if Carr got injured during Spring practice? We would have been 1-11 this year.

Lastly the #4 was not getting a 2nd QB along with Angeli. Even if Rickie had a good Spring (which I doubt), he was hurt. What if he had a set back? We should have had another QB come in.


Fran has done a great job getting QB1s but QB depth has seemed like an after thought.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
I think 2024 started the problem but no one noticed because McCord played every down.

There were 4 Dino guys if you count Williams. Three of them were no good and two were headed out anyway. So Fran had nothing to work with. He needed to bring in more than just McCord and Johnson last year.

That was mistake #1. How do you go into a season with just 3 scholarship QBs? And only one real option for beyond 2024? We were so lucky we didn't have issues last year.

Problem #2 (more of a failure than a mistake) was the recruiting class. He was able to get 2 QB commits but both were long shots. What we ended up with wouldn't have been a big deal for a G6 to pull in.

Problem/Mistake #3 was not getting a 2nd portal QB after last season. Going into Spring ball we only had 4 scholarship QBs signed. None with any experience. That is a huge gamble, even with the high probability of Angeli waiting in the wings. What if Carr got injured during Spring practice? We would have been 1-11 this year.

Lastly the #4 was not getting a 2nd QB along with Angeli. Even if Rickie had a good Spring (which I doubt), he was hurt. What if he had a set back? We should have had another QB come in.


Fran has done a great job getting QB1s but QB depth has seemed like an after thought.
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Add to that "#5. bizarre usage of QBs," "6. lack of play calling imagination within the system--few screens/WR runs to keep them involved," and "7. refusing to tailor the offense to whatever you do have at QB." We had 2 bye weeks after we were 3-3 following Duke/SMU. Might have been a time to start rethinking some things.
 
Filardi never should have had to play, he was a walk-on scout team QB. The disarray of the QB depth chart is completely on Fran/Nixon/Nunz. Filardi’s current ability to run the team was puffed up, just like with Rickie, in an attempt to build confidence in them but all it did was build unrealistic expectations.

Taking pot shots at Filardi because he was effectively forced into playing….not cool.
 
DoctahLexus said:
I was being rude and I apologize.

I just feel like you are putting way too much focus on Filardi and not the staff that put him in this situation. I agree that having him in at qb was a major part of why the season sucked, but the dudes who put the qb room together are to blame and deserve the most grief.
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Nixon unable or unwilling to create an offense to win a few games is inexcusable. If that ever happens again he needs to be immediately fired. Fran should have done something about it last year.
He better have we had a long talk with Nixon during the off season.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Problem/Mistake #3 was not getting a 2nd portal QB after last season. Going into Spring ball we only had 4 scholarship QBs


Fran has done a great job getting QB1s but QB depth has seemed like an after thought.
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True last line, but only 4 QBs going into spring ball, plus 2 signed? How many can you carry? Or let me
rephrase, how many are going to come to a school? You can't control injuries of course, but when you
get seasons like:

Angeli - going great, then hurt
Collins - poor perf
Jakhari, Breslin - DNP I really question Breslin not playing
Carney - 5-7 passing, 10 rushes, in four games. What's the point?
Filardi - out of necessity plays the rest

You have to wonder about the QB coaching/development, along with the other facets of
the offense: a huge OL that can't pass or run block, and a running game that can't run. At a
minimum you'd think they could run the stinking ball all over Colgate, but they couldn't even
get their leading rusher to 70 yards in that game.

One doesn't fault Filardi for playing, maybe some poor decisions in game, one faults WHY he's
playing in the first place, and one questions how the games against Duke, which had an awful
defense coming in gave up only 3 pts to the Orange; how a dysfunctional UNC team suddenly
looked real good, and then a BC team which had beaten only Fordham and was riding its own
10 game losing streak out and buries SU in the 2nd half. Other teams can lose a starting QB
and at least look somewhat functional; SU loses their starter, and, well, the "we're cursed" thread
has some entertaining stories about previous years. It can't just be "we're done", can it? Six
QBs on the roster, and only one is capable of doing anything?

Kev
 

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