Joe Filardi

[Nicknack]

I'm still a big fan of Fran. However, how he and the coaches handled the QB situation this year was awful. Did he ever really address the rationale for playing/not playing QBs after Angeli went down? I understand he will never fully disclose but curious if he shed more light on the decision making. I just don't get what they did with Carney especially. It looked like they made a concerted effort not to allow him to throw the ball but Filardi had the green light. What was most disappointing to me though was Rickie. How could your #2 (who looked to be the #1 until Angeli was brought in) be that inept??

 

[Blanko97]

Yes Lacrosse and he had to "walk on" to the football team.

Yeah, but that doesn’t mean he “didn’t get a scholarship out of it”

He already had one

 

[Archbold44]

I'm still a big fan of Fran. However, how he and the coaches handled the QB situation this year was awful. Did he ever really address the rationale for playing/not playing QBs after Angeli went down? I understand he will never fully disclose but curious if he shed more light on the decision making. I just don't get what they did with Carney especially. It looked like they made a concerted effort not to allow him to throw the ball but Filardi had the green light. What was most disappointing to me though was Rickie. How could your #2 (who looked to be the #1 until Angeli was brought in) be that inept??

In fairness to Rickie, he only played against good teams. Fran didn't let him play against UNC and BC... the two most winnable games on the post-Clemson schedule.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

True last line, but only 4 QBs going into spring ball, plus 2 signed? How many can you carry? Or let me
rephrase, how many are going to come to a school? You can't control injuries of course, but when you
get seasons like:

Angeli - going great, then hurt
Collins - poor perf
Jakhari, Breslin - DNP I really question Breslin not playing
Carney - 5-7 passing, 10 rushes, in four games. What's the point?
Filardi - out of necessity plays the rest

You have to wonder about the QB coaching/development, along with the other facets of
the offense: a huge OL that can't pass or run block, and a running game that can't run. At a
minimum you'd think they could run the stinking ball all over Colgate, but they couldn't even
get their leading rusher to 70 yards in that game.

One doesn't fault Filardi for playing, maybe some poor decisions in game, one faults WHY he's
playing in the first place, and one questions how the games against Duke, which had an awful
defense coming in gave up only 3 pts to the Orange; how a dysfunctional UNC team suddenly
looked real good, and then a BC team which had beaten only Fordham and was riding its own
10 game losing streak out and buries SU in the 2nd half. Other teams can lose a starting QB
and at least look somewhat functional; SU loses their starter, and, well, the "we're cursed" thread
has some entertaining stories about previous years. It can't just be "we're done", can it? Six
QBs on the roster, and only one is capable of doing anything?

Kev

I meant at the time of Spring ball we had 4 QBs signed to the team for 2025 (Collins, Williams, Carney, Belin). There weren't two more coming.

IMO we should have had another QB come in after 2024 via the portal. They would have been competing for QB1 in the Spring. Which would have given us 6 in total (along with Angeli).

Williams, Carney, Belin weren't expected to play at all this year. So really our depth chart going into the season was Angeli QB1, Collins QB2, and Nobody QB3.

That is assuming Collins looked good in the Spring. If he did not, then we should have gotten a QB2 when we got Angeli. Which would have pushed Collins down to QB3.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'm still a big fan of Fran. However, how he and the coaches handled the QB situation this year was awful. Did he ever really address the rationale for playing/not playing QBs after Angeli went down? I understand he will never fully disclose but curious if he shed more light on the decision making. I just don't get what they did with Carney especially. It looked like they made a concerted effort not to allow him to throw the ball but Filardi had the green light. What was most disappointing to me though was Rickie. How could your #2 (who looked to be the #1 until Angeli was brought in) be that inept??

They misused Rickie as well. Duke and SMU should have been Miamiesque game plans. Who thought it was a good idea to let an inexperienced QB come out guns a blazing before he is even settled into playing? We still lose all of these games but we don't look as inept.

Then once you have destroyed Rickie, why in the heck not run an O similar to GA Tech with Carney as the QB? We had two weeks before Pitt to get it installed. Mostly zone read stuff and little passing. Then when you fall behind bring Rickie in to throw it around. Again we still lose all of these games but don't look inept.

 

[baggerbob]

They misused Rickie as well. Duke and SMU should have been Miamiesque game plans. Who thought it was a good idea to let an inexperienced QB come out guns a blazing before he is even settled into playing? We still lose all of these games but we don't look as inept.

Then once you have destroyed Rickie, why in the heck not run an O similar to GA Tech with Carney as the QB? We had two weeks before Pitt to get it installed. Mostly zone read stuff and little passing. Then when you fall behind bring Rickie in to throw it around. Again we still lose all of these games but don't look inept.

That's why I emphasized Nixon better be on the hot seat, it should be burning. A coach who is a one trick pony unable to make any adjustments isn't going to make it here.
We are never going to be able to out talent everyone on our schedule.
So we need to be able to adjust depending on who we play.

 

[PAcuse]

Yeah, but that doesn’t mean he “didn’t get a scholarship out of it”

He already had one

I was just answering the question and clarifying it, that's all lol

 

[PAcuse]

I think 2024 started the problem but no one noticed because McCord played every down.

There were 4 Dino guys if you count Williams. Three of them were no good and two were headed out anyway. So Fran had nothing to work with. He needed to bring in more than just McCord and Johnson last year.

That was mistake #1. How do you go into a season with just 3 scholarship QBs? And only one real option for beyond 2024? We were so lucky we didn't have issues last year.

Problem #2 (more of a failure than a mistake) was the recruiting class. He was able to get 2 QB commits but both were long shots. What we ended up with wouldn't have been a big deal for a G6 to pull in.

Problem/Mistake #3 was not getting a 2nd portal QB after last season. Going into Spring ball we only had 4 scholarship QBs signed. None with any experience. That is a huge gamble, even with the high probability of Angeli waiting in the wings. What if Carr got injured during Spring practice? We would have been 1-11 this year.

Lastly the #4 was not getting a 2nd QB along with Angeli. Even if Rickie had a good Spring (which I doubt), he was hurt. What if he had a set back? We should have had another QB come in.


Fran has done a great job getting QB1s but QB depth has seemed like an after thought.

Bingo McCord and other transfers conceaeld all the cracks in the foundation and it was super exposed this year.

 

[Irishsecra1]

I don’t believe for a second Luke “didn’t want to go out there”

And joe has a scholarship according to his own comments

Well if he wanted to keep his redshirt, which even Carney admitted to, he couldn’t be the man once Collins proved to be inadequate.
So, yeah, he had no interest in taking one for the team.
Some players would, he didn’t
That was always the original plan and he stuck to it.
Frans subsequent treatment of Carney is probably explained by that.
Harsh as it put Filardi and the whole team in an awful position.
no clue why Beilein didn’t play at all either.

Honestly, it wasn’t up to Carney to save the team once Fran committed to his first year being a red shirt. Carney said multiple times the plan was to redshirt.
It wasn’t his fault Angeli got injured, Collins was a disaster and apparently Jakhari was injured.
Ideally, Fran should have given him Filardis first start. See how Carney does. After his third start, give him the option to keep playing or stop to preserve the redshirt.
If he decides to keep the redshirt, either go back to Collins or throw Filardi in the deep end.
We would not have been any worse off and Carney could show everyone what he could or couldn’t do.

Instead there is this big mystery about Carney and why he never truly played any meaningful minutes

 

[Blanko97]

Well if he wanted to keep his redshirt, which even Carney admitted to, he couldn’t be the man once Collins proved to be inadequate.
So, yeah, he had no interest in taking one for the team.
Some players would, he didn’t
That was always the original plan and he stuck to it.
Frans subsequent treatment of Carney is probably explained by that.
Harsh as it put Filardi and the whole team in an awful position.
no clue why Beilein didn’t play at all either.

Honestly, it wasn’t up to Carney to save the team once Fran committed to his first year being a red shirt. Carney said multiple times the plan was to redshirt.
It wasn’t his fault Angeli got injured, Collins was a disaster and apparently Jakhari was injured.
Ideally, Fran should have given him Filardis first start. See how Carney does. After his third start, give him the option to keep playing or stop to preserve the redshirt.
If he decides to keep the redshirt, either go back to Collins or throw Filardi in the deep end.
We would not have been any worse off and Carney could show everyone what he could or couldn’t do.

Instead there is this big mystery about Carney and why he never truly played any meaningful minutes

Sorry I call BS on the redshirt story

 

[buffalorange]

You are either super young or so old you’re losing it. McNabbstarted as a freshman and led the BE incompletion % and tds thrown. Seikaly started every game as a freshman, averaging 8 pt, 6.5 rebounds, 1.9 blocks and was on the BE all freshman team.

I think it was Danny Schayes that had the multi-year learning curve. Finally consistently productive his senior year. Had a long career in the NBA.