Joe girard

[SWC75]

Few things to make sure I hit all your points:

I’m not sure what your example of MJ, Magic and Kobe shows. First, you are talking about three of the greatest players of all time. Each of those three had a very clear primary position.

Dior has a very clear primary position. Could he flex? Sure. But why would you go all out to get the #1 PG and top five player in his class to then put him at SG?

I’m glad you think JGIII will be better than GMac. I think that’s going to be tough, but appreciate the optimism.

But let’s assume that he’s in the same situation and is at the same level as GMac senior year. GMac was forced/asked to carry way too much of the load. His body was breaking down and he couldn’t efficiently do everything that was asked. So if there was a stud PG that was one of the very top players that could come in, let Gerry go off ball, I think it would have led to a much better season, yes. GMac would have still started, but he wouldn’t have had to run his body ragged.

Back to the original point, Dior is not coming here to play SG or be on the bench as the backup PG.

JGIII can and should flex to being off the ball.

This team isn’t good right now. We are scrappy and competitive and fun to watch (except for the end of games, it seems) and the team truly seems to have chemistry, but we are not close to having the talent needed to be a real competitor to win the ACC or compete for a title. That’s ok, but it does mean that when talent comes in, they are playing.

My point was that if you get a great player the normal definition of any one position can be too confining to describe his talents and someone who does meet that definition might still retain that position. I never said that Dior wouldn't start. I think they both would and would share responsibilities. Neither will be coming off the bench. When Pearl Washington got here, Gene Waldron was the point guard and he didn't lose his spot. Scoop Jardine and Brandon Triche were both considered point guards and when we got Dion Waiters, they alternated in the back court. Neither a three year point guard or a 5 star freshmen are going to see much pine time.

GMAC as a freshman:
35.3m 15.1p 2.6r 5.0a 2.5s 0.1b +25.3 7.1mfg 0.3mft 2.8to 2.2pf -12.4 = 12.9NP 7.7OE 5.2FG

Joe Girard so far in his freshman year:
32.5m 16.0p 3.8r 4.4a 2.0s 0.1b +26.3 8.6mfg 0.3mft 2.2to 1.9pf -13.0 = 13.3NP 7.1OE 6.2FG

 

[OrangeDW]

PG/SG can be overrated. Do what you’re good at.

Dior/JG should be a hell of a backcourt and I’m sure both will get the freedom to play their games.

 

[MikeSU02]

My point was that if you get a great player the normal definition of any one position can be too confining to describe his talents and someone who does meet that definition might still retain that position. I never said that Dior wouldn't start. I think they both would and would share responsibilities. Neither will be coming off the bench. When Pearl Washington got here, Gene Waldron was the point guard and he didn't lose his spot. Scoop Jardine and Brandon Triche were both considered point guards and when we got Dion Waiters, they alternated in the back court. Neither a three year point guard or a 5 star freshmen are going to see much pine time.

GMAC as a freshman:
35.3m 15.1p 2.6r 5.0a 2.5s 0.1b +25.3 7.1mfg 0.3mft 2.8to 2.2pf -12.4 = 12.9NP 7.7OE 5.2FG

Joe Girard so far in his freshman year:
32.5m 16.0p 3.8r 4.4a 2.0s 0.1b +26.3 8.6mfg 0.3mft 2.2to 1.9pf -13.0 = 13.3NP 7.1OE 6.2FG

I respectfully disagree. I do appreciate the clarity.

Let me rephrase then, Dior gets the keys to the car from day one. Meaning there is *not* PG duties shared while both are on the court.

JGIII will get to have the ball plenty, but this won’t be a democracy.

Just my 0.02. I love JGIII. But I think he’s being overrated in terms of his ceiling. I think JGIII can be on all ACC teams. But we need guys that can hit all American status to win titles.

 

[OrangeDW]

I respectfully disagree. I do appreciate the clarity.

Let me rephrase then, Dior gets the keys to the car from day one. Meaning there is *not* PG duties shared while both are on the court.

JGIII will get to have the ball plenty, but this won’t be a democracy.

Just my 0.02. I love JGIII. But I think he’s being vastly overrated in terms of his ceiling. I think JGIII can be on all ACC teams. But we need guys that can hit all American status to win titles.

This will be what Edelin/GMac couldve been...on steroids!

 

[MikeSU02]

This will be what Edelin/GMac couldve been...on steroids!

Yep. What could have been. And Dior, if he stays on track, will be better than Billy.

Btw - I don’t mean this as a knock on either GMac or JGIII. There are many ACC teams, even the elite ones, that would take JGIII in a second.

It’s about raising the overall ceiling for the team.

 

[OrangeDW]

Yep. What could have been. And Dior, if he stays on track, will be better than Billy.

Btw - I don’t mean this as a knock on either GMac or JGIII. There are many ACC teams, even the elite ones, that would take JGIII in a second.

It’s about raising the overall ceiling for the team.

Agreed. I thought of that comparison because GMac was the clear PG while Edelin was suspended - often went off the ball once Edelin came back, and was technically the “2 guard” but was not restricted in any way from making “PG plays” as a Soph when Edelin was the starting PG.

It would’ve been an all time great college backcourt for the next 2 1/2 years if Billy could’ve kept it together IMO.

Joe is the clear PG now and probably will be the next two years but if Dior is as advertised, adjustments will be made. And I think it will work.

“Positions” can be overrated. Do what you’re good at. Theoretically I think their games will work extremely well together offensively.

 

[tbonezone]

Dior is a commitment. let's talk when we see him on campus. just sayin". been there.

 

[OrangeDW]

Dior is a commitment. let's talk when we see him on campus. just sayin". been there.

Ha. If he was rated in the 200s or something, I’m sure you’d feel differently.

 

[realorange]

PG/SG can be overrated. Do what you’re good at.

Dior/JG should be a hell of a backcourt and I’m sure both will get the freedom to play their games.

If the opportunity to play even one season with those two doesn't draw in at least one good big man, I'll be surprised.

 

[kcsu]

No he’s not. I thought that too coming in but if you don’t see that he is better with the ball in his hands after this many games then you’re not watching

Joe isnt a point. Granted he is doing well but his natural position is the 2. Dior is a natural 1 with skills we haven't seen since Pearl or Sherm.
Joe isnt being drafted as a PG. Dior might be a lottery pick
OUT OF HS if the rules change. Dior is in a different class than Joe.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

Would GMAC have lost his spot to anyone as a senior?

G-Mac wouldn’t have played PG had Edelin played out his career. Gerry would’ve played SG & we would’ve been better for it.

Nobody’s saying JGIII will “lose his spot” as a senior, he’ll just slide to SG & play 40 mins alongside (fingers crossed) a generational talent at PG.

EDIT: I should really read through threads before posting. This point (no pun intended) has already been made.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Joe isnt a point. Granted he is doing well but his natural position is the 2. Dior is a natural 1 with skills we haven't seen since Pearl or Sherm.
Joe isnt being drafted as a PG. Dior might be a lottery pick
OUT OF HS if the rules change. Dior is in a different class than Joe.

Meh I think his natural position is more combo guard than a 2. He’s going to be fine with a pass first 1, another combo, or a 2 only guard like Buddy.

 

[Cheriehoop]

My point was that if you get a great player the normal definition of any one position can be too confining to describe his talents and someone who does meet that definition might still retain that position. I never said that Dior wouldn't start. I think they both would and would share responsibilities. Neither will be coming off the bench. When Pearl Washington got here, Gene Waldron was the point guard and he didn't lose his spot. Scoop Jardine and Brandon Triche were both considered point guards and when we got Dion Waiters, they alternated in the back court. Neither a three year point guard or a 5 star freshmen are going to see much pine time.

GMAC as a freshman:
35.3m 15.1p 2.6r 5.0a 2.5s 0.1b +25.3 7.1mfg 0.3mft 2.8to 2.2pf -12.4 = 12.9NP 7.7OE 5.2FG

Joe Girard so far in his freshman year:
32.5m 16.0p 3.8r 4.4a 2.0s 0.1b +26.3 8.6mfg 0.3mft 2.2to 1.9pf -13.0 = 13.3NP 7.1OE 6.2FG

Isn’t Joe averaging 13 points not 16 points (if I’m reading your post correctly)? 3.1 reb, 3.6 assists, 1.6 steals.

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No doubt JG3 is having a good year and has been improving while still in his freshman year with a nice future ahead.

 

[SWC75]

Isn’t Joe averaging 13 points not 16 points (if I’m reading your post correctly)? 3.1 reb, 3.6 assists, 1.6 steals.

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No doubt JG3 is having a good year and has been improving while still in his freshman year with a nice future ahead.

My numbers are per 40 minutes, (except minutes which is per game).

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I respectfully disagree. I do appreciate the clarity.

Let me rephrase then, Dior gets the keys to the car from day one. Meaning there is *not* PG duties shared while both are on the court.

JGIII will get to have the ball plenty, but this won’t be a democracy.

Just my 0.02. I love JGIII. But I think he’s being overrated in terms of his ceiling. I think JGIII can be on all ACC teams. But we need guys that can hit all American status to win titles.

JG just hunting shots, and spreading the floor for Dior to drive. I will take all of that you can dish out, thank you very much.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He's a much better rebounder than I expected.

You know why ? Cause he tries and Isn’t afraid to sticks his nose in dangerous places..

No matter how many times I say that rebounding is more desire and anticipation than just size .. it escapes people who think just being bigger means good rebounding

 

[Newhouser]

You know why ? Cause he tries and Isn’t afraid to sticks his nose in dangerous places..

No matter how many times I say that rebounding is more desire and anticipation than just size .. it escapes people who think just being bigger means good rebounding

so true - aggressive pursuit of the basketball is more often than not a good thing.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You know why ? Cause he tries and Isn’t afraid to sticks his nose in dangerous places..

No matter how many times I say that rebounding is more desire and anticipation than just size .. it escapes people who think just being bigger means good rebounding

I think he has some above average ability to track the ball too. We see it sometimes on the defensive end when he breaks into a passing lane.

 

[Scotch]

I think he has some above average ability to track the ball too. We see it sometimes on the defensive end when he breaks into a passing lane.

Yep, he has great instincts and anticipation. Kid is just a gamer.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[Trueblue25]

Holy hell I thought Joe tweeted that for a moment and almost died