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John and Fran need to go

We had a coach that knew how to scheme and coached up 3 stars. His name was Doug Marrone and he went 25-25 here.

And Doug never won 10 games nor had a ranked team.

And I heavily appreciate his contribution here, but those are facts.

Right. One of those: 'you are what your record says you are' ad nauseam posts.

Disregard the other facts. Grob and the administration had placed the program in the abyss. How our all important infrastructure at the time was a joke and embarrassment for a MAC program, let alone a P5 one. Marrone begging and pleading for an IPF and the like and informed "someday" when "someday" was already a day late and a dollar short.

The fact that Marrone was 25-25 with/under such gross negligence by the university stewards, etc. in all honesty, should be revered, as it was quite the feat in and of itself under the circumstances. If only the world truly worked in a vacuum.
 
I didn't say no one would want it. I said no one any good would want it. No one with options would want it. Go to a place where they just fired a coach who in their first year went 10-3? And was recruiting better than anyone else has in 40 years at the school. Yeah, I'm going to uproot my family for that.
Two year ago Fran would take it.
 
I am a STH yes. I have no idea what you’re blabbering about, but the Clemson win really wasn’t that impressive when you look at Clemsons record. This team barely beat UConn and realistically would’ve ended up at 6 or 7 wins which we all would’ve taken. The issue is that we had such a huge drop off from QB1 to QB2. That can’t happen at the p4 level, especially when you’re paying what we paid Rickie
I agree and thank you. Please excuse me for my ignorance but I have no idea what an STH is? Could you expound. Excuse me I did google it and utilized AI but I still cannot find a legitimate context? I hope you are not being too hard on yourself It's going to be OK.

Sth" is an abbreviation that can mean "something," but its meaning depends heavily on the context. It is used informally in text messages and online chats to save space. However, it also stands for Soil-Transmitted Helminth (a type of parasitic worm) in medicine, Somatotropic Hormone (growth hormone) in biology, and Super Treasure Hunt for a rare line of Hot Wheels cars.
 
I agree and thank you. Please excuse me for my ignorance but I have no idea what an STH is? Could you expound. Excuse me I did google it and utilized AI but I still cannot find a legitimate context? I hope you are not being too hard on yourself It's going to be OK.

Sth" is an abbreviation that can mean "something," but its meaning depends heavily on the context. It is used informally in text messages and online chats to save space. However, it also stands for Soil-Transmitted Helminth (a type of parasitic worm) in medicine, Somatotropic Hormone (growth hormone) in biology, and Super Treasure Hunt for a rare line of Hot Wheels cars.
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Two year ago Fran would take it.
My point exactly. What school would have hired Fran but a desperate school. Not even a coordinator. B.C. hired a former NFL Head Coach.
 
My point exactly. What school would have hired Fran but a desperate school. Not even a coordinator. B.C. hired a former NFL Head Coach.
Well you said nobody any good would apply - I think Fran is good, just needs to grow.

But I get your point.
 
Okay. Who exactly would take the Syracuse football job after we fire a coach that just last year went 10-3. At Syracuse. I'll answer that. No one any good. We would look like fools. We can't keep firing coaches and think it is all them. There is no question in my mind that if Angeli doesn't get hurt, we win at least 6 games this year and that was about as good as it could get. No matter if Saban was coaching here. Now, Fran has a lot to learn about being a head coach. I won't argue against that. But the single most important thing, he is very good at. Getting good players. He can learn the rest. Someone above said, let's get a guy that only gets 3 star kids but coaches them up. That, would be the end of the program. Why? Because change is coming. Either we are taken to the new world or we will be left behind. And a 3 star program is 100% going to be left behind. Right now, we have the A.D. who has enough respect and connections to get us looked at for the next wave coming. Hopefully, Fran makes that leap and we make it all the way. Next year will be telling.
Great post. Spot on
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone watching this team, but just a note that I'm not sure has been mentioned (maybe it has), and just focusing on Fran (not going to discuss JW at all), right now the following jobs are open:

LSU
PSU
Florida
Auburn
Arkansas
Okla St
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Stanford

There are more big openings coming (Wisconsin, FSU, maybe, for example). And there will be knock on openings if Huepel or Kiffin leave there already big time jobs for an LSU or Florida.

I don’t think we should fire Fran, nor do I think it’s even a remote possibility. But let’s play this out —where do you think we sit in that list? We can’t just pluck anyone from another school.
 
Okay. Who exactly would take the Syracuse football job after we fire a coach that just last year went 10-3.

Someone will always take the job. There are only so many of them to go around. And each coach has their own ego.

That said 1, it wouldn't be a fun buyout to negotiate.

That said 2, it's all moot, Fran isn't going anywhere.
 
Firing Fran is not a realistic option. Cuse bought the untested car and now has to drive it while it's under extended warranty lol.

I think he continues to learn the finer points of being a head coach in realtime. Recruiting should continue to be solid. Need to do better in the portal. Has got to do better with his coaching staff which needs a lot of turnover and upgrades.

Next year should be a lot better. Can't be any worse lol.
 
Firing Fran is not a realistic option. Cuse bought the untested car and now has to drive it while it's under extended warranty lol.

I think he continues to learn the finer points of being a head coach in realtime. Recruiting should continue to be solid. Need to do better in the portal. Has got to do better with his coaching staff which needs a lot of turnover and upgrades.

Next year should be a lot better. Can't be any worse lol.
Fran's biggest problem right now is after game comments, he hasn't learned that some questions need to be vaguely answered. That way the press is unable to pin you down.
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone watching this team, but just a note that I'm not sure has been mentioned (maybe it has), and just focusing on Fran (not going to discuss JW at all), right now the following jobs are open:

LSU
PSU
Florida
Auburn
Arkansas
Okla St
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Stanford

There are more big openings coming (Wisconsin, FSU, maybe, for example). And there will be knock on openings if Huepel or Kiffin leave there already big time jobs for an LSU or Florida.

I don’t think we should fire Fran, nor do I think it’s even a remote possibility. But let’s play this out —where do you think we sit in that list? We can’t just pluck anyone from another school.

We sit in that; 'player school to be named later category.' 😜
 
If Steve Angeli remained a healthy QB this thread would not exist.

Changing this threads themes here's something different:

The game was well out of reach. Yet Fran Brown still didn’t feel comfortable with how the tides turned while quarterback Steve Angeli stood on the sideline.

The Notre Dame transfer continued his gaudy start to the 2025 season on Friday against Colgate, tossing five touchdowns and 331 passing yards through three quarters. He already tied the Syracuse football single-game passing touchdowns record. So with the Orange up 45-3 at the 9:13 mark of the third quarter, Angeli got the signal his day was done — there was nothing left to show.

LSU transfer Rickie Collins, who lost Syracuse’s offseason quarterback competition, entered the game with 4:36 left in the third. Three pass attempts into Collins’ long-awaited debut, he threw an interception, ending his premiere drive with a thud. The Raiders scored to end the third quarter — serving as back-to-back Colgate touchdowns — and SU’s lead was cut to 45-17.

To begin the fourth quarter, an unexpected but familiar navy blue No. 9 jersey trotted out to lead Syracuse’s offensive huddle.

“It was just something that was needed for our football team for us to continue to grow as a team and grow our culture,” Brown said of putting Angeli back in the game. “Every time you want to make sure you’re implementing something, you want to have the leader do it.”

Brown wants the Orange to stick the dagger into teams they should beat easily, and when he saw their advantage slipping on Friday, he didn’t hesitate to send Angeli back in. On Angeli’s final drive, he led Syracuse on a nine-play, 71-yard drive, which was capped off by him punching in a one-yard sneak at the goal line. That made it six total touchdowns for Angeli, joining Jim Brown and Eric Dungey as SU’s only players to do the same in one game.

Angeli’s night for the record books highlighted Syracuse’s (2-1, 0-0 Atlantic Coast) 66-24 victory over Colgate (0-3, 0-0 Patriot League). Though it came versus a Football Championship Subdivision opponent, Angeli’s performance signified his development in mastering SU offensive coordinator Jeff Nixon’s scheme.

In his first year starting under center, Angeli is in midseason form.

“It’s a lot of good stuff that we put on tape,” he said. “So I’m excited to build off of it.”

Angeli closed his night with 382 passing yards, five touchdowns through the air and one on the ground. SU’s head coach was in awe when he heard Angeli’s stats entered Jim Brown territory.

“Just the fact that you said Jim Brown in there, that’s amazing to say that,” Brown said to a reporter during his postgame press conference. “Anybody that joins anything with Jim Brown should just sit back and be thankful. Syracuse football is Jim Brown.”

Through three contests with the Orange, Angeli’s numbers lie at 1,072 air yards, eight passing touchdowns and two interceptions.

After Friday’s game ended — albeit with an entire college football weekend slate left to play — Angeli led the nation in passing yards. His passing totals place him directly into the Kyle McCord stratosphere.

McCord averaged 367.6 yards per game in his record-setting 2024 season, where he broke the ACC’s single-year passing yards mark with 4,779. Expectations were thrust upon whoever McCord’s successor would be to match the Ohio State transfer’s potent campaign at SU.

Thus far, Angeli has experienced a similar jump in production under Nixon and Co.

“It’s awesome to hear that, but I’m really just thankful for coach Nixon, coach (Nunzio Campanile) for what they’ve been able to do and just bringing out who I am as a player,” Angeli said of his six touchdowns. “I’m just eternally grateful for them and for these guys on the team — there’s so many playmakers everywhere.”

Angeli’s biggest connection of the night was Darrell Gill Jr., who exploded for six catches, 152 yards and two touchdowns in the first half alone. He also hit redshirt freshman Jaylan Hornsby for an electric 25-yard touchdown and true freshman Darien Williams for a 26-yard end zone strike.
 

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