Just my opinion...

[SaintTristan]

He is a guy that does a lot of good things but is tremendously flawed at the same time., hus decision making down the stretch is very questionable. That said, we stil have no true PG on this team unless MCW is that guy, I do not know but I do agree we are better off with Scoop, although I still mainatain that he isn't a true PG

I agree that we dont have a skilled guard with a PG mentality. And I hope that MCW can be that guy. i have no idea cause I have not seen him play a game against a good team. BUT, if MCW is the guy then scoop should slide to the 2G and BT should sit. Scoop can do infinitely more things on the court than BT, who is a massive liability on offense and doesnt have the charisma to be a leader. And with a foot correctly positioned up his arse, I think scoop can be fine on defense.

Of course, DW can do infinitely more things than both of them if he can readjust his thinking.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I agree that we dont have a skilled guard with a PG mentality. And I hope that MCW can be that guy. i have no idea cause I have not seen him play a game against a good team. BUT, if MCW is the guy then scoop should slide to the 2G and BT should sit. Scoop can do infinitely more things on the court than BT, who is a massive liability on offense and doesnt have the charisma to be a leader. And with a foot correctly positioned up his arse, I think scoop can be fine on defense.

Of course, DW can do infinitely more things than both of them if he can readjust his thinking.

Can't disagree with anything here, other than I think Triche is a streak shooter and get hot from time to time but he is wildly inconsistent otherwise on offense... I hope MCW can be the PG because he will be a nightmare from a match up stand point for a lot of teams.. A backcourt of MCW/DW next year is really something to look for IMO, with Cooney as the hired gun off the bench is intriguing as well.. If the kid can really shoot he needs to play

 

[rrlbees]

I agree that we dont have a skilled guard with a PG mentality. And I hope that MCW can be that guy. i have no idea cause I have not seen him play a game against a good team. BUT, if MCW is the guy then scoop should slide to the 2G and BT should sit. Scoop can do infinitely more things on the court than BT, who is a massive liability on offense and doesnt have the charisma to be a leader. And with a foot correctly positioned up his arse, I think scoop can be fine on defense.

Of course, DW can do infinitely more things than both of them if he can readjust his thinking.

You should be on the bench coaching instead of JB.

 

[rrlbees]

A backcourt of MCW/DW next year

Next year the backcourt will be MCW/BT.

 

[billsin01]

What will be funny is when we're criticizing whoever is the PG 6 years from now and people are adding scoop to the mount rushmore along with Red Autry (subpar as a frosh and soph, solid as a junior, excellent as a senior), J Hart (limited in some ways but solid as a junior and senior), Allen Griffin and Michael Lloyd. Forgetting, of course, that they were all limited too and were constantly abused on this board or by the fan base in general.

Scoop has flaws, but my opinion is that he's far superior to BT in handling the ball and creating for himself and others. He's not telling the head coach to off and contemplating transferring to his sixth school in six years and he's not a true frosh who may or may not be a PG.

 

[SaintTristan]

Can't disagree with anything here, other than I think Triche is a streak shooter and get hot from time to time but he is wildly inconsistent otherwise on offense... I hope MCW can be the PG because he will be a nightmare from a match up stand point for a lot of teams.. A backcourt of MCW/DW next year is really something to look for IMO, with Cooney as the hired gun off the bench is intriguing as well.. If the kid can really shoot he needs to play

Agree across the board. Very excited about Cooney and MCW. And MCW and DW - if DW can fix his head - is going to be one awesome backcourt. BT just doesnt have "it". I get why JB is trying to force him on the team, but at some point he needs to cut his losses. regardless, we have a loaded team. should be fun.

One thing about Cooney/MCW/DW. If they are not going to play real minutes, one of them should be redshirted. That much talent is wasted on a JB roster. put one in the cupboard for next yr. i know JB wont do it, but he should. BT would really beenefit from a redshirt yr, ut JB wont do that to the hometown hero.

 

[realorange]

Agree across the board. Very excited about Cooney and MCW. And MCW and DW - if DW can fix his head - is going to be one awesome backcourt. BT just doesnt have "it". I get why JB is trying to force him on the team, but at some point he needs to cut his losses. regardless, we have a loaded team. should be fun.

One thing about Cooney/MCW/DW. If they are not going to play real minutes, one of them should be redshirted. That much talent is wasted on a JB roster. put one in the cupboard for next yr. i know JB wont do it, but he should. BT would really beenefit from a redshirt yr, ut JB wont do that to the hometown hero.

'Would be interested to know "Why" you think JB is forcing Triche on the team.

 

[arbitragegls]

Can't disagree with anything here, other than I think Triche is a streak shooter and get hot from time to time but he is wildly inconsistent otherwise on offense... I hope MCW can be the PG because he will be a nightmare from a match up stand point for a lot of teams.. A backcourt of MCW/DW next year is really something to look for IMO, with Cooney as the hired gun off the bench is intriguing as well.. If the kid can really
shoot he needs to play

slow down... Triche will be a senior next year and i do not see him riding the bench...

 

[rrlbees]

'Would be interested to know "Why" you think JB is forcing Triche on the team.

For 70 straight games now also.

 

[orangefan13]

Thets just compare Triches point totals to some other guys freshmen-senior.

Dnic went from scoring 4ppg and 3ppg to 13 to 18ppg
Shump went from 5ppg to 10 to 19 to 20.
Rick went from 3ppg to 8 to 9 to 13.
Rautins went from 2ppg to 7 to 10 to 12.
Schayes 4,6,5,14
Hak went from 6 to 14 to 19 to 21.
Hill 7ppg to 6 to 12 to 15.
Wallace 11ppg 15 16 22ppg.
Seikely 8ppg to 10 to 15 to 16ppg
Thomas 5ppg to 11ppg to 12ppg to 13
Hart 9 10 13 to 11 (yet he made the NBA).
Autry 9 11 13 16 (funny alot of people compare triche to him).
Leo 9(soph) 13 jr 15 senior
Shakleford 11, 11, 13, 14
Duany 3,5,12,11
Griffin 2,7,3,10 ppg
Hopkins 2,3,6,9
Alexis 5,8,9,15
Scoop 5,-,9,12

and I can find more

By this logic I guess Dnichols, Shumpert, Rick Jackson, Rautins (both of them), Otis Hill, Seilkely, Etan, Schayes, Jason Hart, Autry, Shakleford, Duany(because Gmac, Pace and Edelin were better younger talent), Griffin, Hopkins, Alexis didn't really belong either.

Scoop as a 4th year Junior put up 12ppg and led the Big East in assists with 5.9pg while running the point 65% of the time through Joseph and Rick as well.

 

[dollarbill44]

Ugh, already?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Agree across the board. Very excited about Cooney and MCW. And MCW and DW - if DW can fix his head - is going to be one awesome backcourt. BT just doesnt have "it". I get why JB is trying to force him on the team, but at some point he needs to cut his losses. regardless, we have a loaded team. should be fun.

One thing about Cooney/MCW/DW. If they are not going to play real minutes, one of them should be redshirted. That much talent is wasted on a JB roster. put one in the cupboard for next yr. i know JB wont do it, but he should. BT would really beenefit from a redshirt yr, ut JB wont do that to the hometown hero.

DW will never redshirt. I think Cooney could possibly, he may be too good of a shooter to keep on the bench though... I can see Triche losing his starting spot at some time, or playing less and less minutes as the year goes on especially if MCW is a true PG

 

[realorange]

For 70 straight games now also.

Yeah. JB is just a know nothing hard head.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

This does not mean i am anticuse, anti american, or anti any individual. It is just my opinion based on my yrs of watching basketball... We would be soooo better off if Scoop was gone. I am not saying he sucks. Not at all. In fact i admire him. The improvement he has shown over the years is something to be admired. But...he is limited. And he will eat 30+ min. Give me bt, dion, and the frosh. Yes, you give up the certainty of scoop, but i would trade that for the upside in a second.

I think Scoop will have a solid year and I totally disagree that we'd be better if he were gone

 

[fanfanclubclub]

I would never call a post or a poster stupid, but this is begging for some sort of adjective. Scoop was one of the best guards in the BE last yr. His assists # were the near the top and he had one of the best TO/A ratios we have seen in a long time. On top of that he was better than triche in almost every category (and probs dion too). between our starting guards, scoop was the one who could shoot the three, make the pass or create for himself. Triche really cant do any of those things very well. and you knock scoop? man, defense is very important and i know triche is a slightly above average defender, but if one of our guards needs to be switched out its BT and its not remotely close.

Neither scoop nor BT were very good PGs last yr, but at least scoop has the skill set and when he wasnt acting silly could get the job done. this team needs a PG and maybe one of the frosh can step up. and if they do, BT needs to find a seat far down the bench.

the kid is being honored all over the country left and right. this board needs to get over itself with the favoritism crap.

Come on Tristan, surely you are familiar with advanced metrics, linear regression, etc.

You can't just bury your head in the sand regarding all advanced statistics, and say that Scoop was "one of the best pgs in the Big East" simply because he racked up a lot of basketball card stats. Efficiency matters.

Similarly, you must also be aware that the vast majority of basketball professionals who immerse themselves in advanced scouting and statistics are highly critical of Scoop: and they back up their arguments with a truck load of stats.

Tristan, you are just 100% incorrect to say, absurdly, that "was better than triche in almost every category (and probs dion too)." Aren't you a financials guy? Do you pick investments without checking the advanced stats? Of course not: you know the value of empiricism.

So why do you make sweeping statements hyping Scoop without checking the advanced metrics? I know its fun to be contrarian, but come on, at least give a good effort with some empiricism. If you define "category" the same way NBA scouts do, then Scoop was actually worse in almost every category than Triche, Dion, KJo, etc. Here's some KenPom for you (every other advanced statistical system generally agrees on Scoop's poor efficiency).

We all know about Scoops lousy points-per-shot ratio, his poor offensive efficiency metrics, his poor defensive metrics, etc. Let's hope he improves.

 

[rstone7727]

Knock Scoop all you want but this game is College BB not pro so he won't be traded any time soon. He is our guy at the point and he's a 5th yr senior.

He will start and play more minutes than any other PG on the team no matter what.


JB will not bench Scoop as he has done everything that coach has asked of him. He is a credit to the university and personally, even though he may not be the absolute best PG in the country, I wouldn't trade him for anyone else.

 

[fanfanclubclub]

What will be funny is when we're criticizing whoever is the PG 6 years from now and people are adding scoop to the mount rushmore along with Red Autry (subpar as a frosh and soph, solid as a junior, excellent as a senior), J Hart (limited in some ways but solid as a junior and senior), Allen Griffin and Michael Lloyd. .

Our Mount Rushmore of point guards does not include any of those guys you listed. Hopefully it includes Scoop, but he'll have to improve a bit this year to get there.

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

It seems like eons ago when Scoop was a h.s. senior and an Orange recruit along with Rick Jackson (who some thought was a thrown-in recruit to get Scoop). But having a 5th-year senior point guard is a luxury most teams don't have, and we all know that experienced guard play is a ticket to a deep run come tournament time. Those of you who think MCW should be running this year's team are deluded; what you really wish for is the MCW of two years from now running this year's team. Ain't gonna happen, so just relax and watch this year's team evolve. I think Scoop will suprise everyone with his growth and maturity and, besides, if he'd been as good a player as his bashers wish he were, he'd have been gone to the pros long ago. Chill out, bashers, and enjoy.-VBOF

 

[CorduroyG]

Couple things to consider when thinking about scoop's season last year.

1 - It was his FIRST year as the starting pg

2 - We lost AO, Andy, and Wes, 3 HUGE pieces to 1 of our best teams ever.

I think those 2 factors more than anything contributed to his inconsistent and sometimes reckless play. I simply think he tried too hard to be the leader and take on most of the responsibility for the team. "Im the starting pg, the ball is in my hands, we lost 3 of our best and most experienced players, i gotta carry the load." I think KJ suffered from the same type of thing, they just werent quite ready to step into starting roles and be the leaders. They forced things too much, put too much pressure on themselves, and it showed in their games, both them tried to do too much. Hopefully this year their more relaxed and confident in their roles and play more under control. Very confident they will.

 

[DoctorBombay]

You're going to use John Stockton in a discussion about Scoop? Really?

Why not?
Its a good & valid analogy- the protypical PG (Stockton), who regularly dumps it inside to the protypical PF (Malone). No one's suggesting that Scoop is LITERALLY in the same stratosphere as Stockton or that Rick Jackson was another Karl Malone, but they do/did play the same positions. It was a poor example to suggest that having an effective inside presence is somehow a detriment to Scoop- most EVERY PG has some kinda inside threat that works for them, best example being Stockton to Malone.

 

[SWC75]

You're going to use John Stockton in a discussion about Scoop? Really?

The point was that the presence of a great inside player doesn't mean that the point guard who gets all the assists is a mediocrity. It had nothing to do with comparing Scoop Jardine's skills to those of John Stockton.

 

[RF2044]

Our Mount Rushmore of point guards does not include any of those guys you listed. Hopefully it includes Scoop, but he'll have to improve a bit this year to get there.

It would probably include Autry [Sherman, Pearl, Flynn, GMac, with Autry getting the nod over Hart].

Red had about as good of a senior year as a player could possibly have in '95.

 

[Bayside44]

Why not?
Its a good & valid analogy- the protypical PG (Stockton), who regularly dumps it inside to the protypical PF (Malone). No one's suggesting that Scoop is LITERALLY in the same stratosphere as Stockton or that Rick Jackson was another Karl Malone, but they do/did play the same positions. It was a poor example to suggest that having an effective inside presence is somehow a detriment to Scoop- most EVERY PG has some kinda inside threat that works for them, best example being Stockton to Malone.

Never said it was a detriment, but just throwing out the stat on the back of a basketball card doesn't tell the whole story. We've watched the games and we've seen the decision making process.

 

[Cadillac]

Knock Scoop all you want but this game is College BB not pro so he won't be traded any time soon. He is our guy at the point and he's a 5th yr senior.

He will start and play more minutes than any other PG on the team no matter what.

JB will not bench Scoop as he has done everything that coach has asked of him. He is a credit to the university and personally, even though he may not be the absolute best PG in the country, I wouldn't trade him for anyone else.

Thank you thank you thank you. If I could give you 100 likes I would.

 

[strumpfasaurus]

Knock Scoop all you want but this game is College BB not pro so he won't be traded any time soon. He is our guy at the point and he's a 5th yr senior.

He will start and play more minutes than any other PG on the team no matter what.

JB will not bench Scoop as he has done everything that coach has asked of him. He is a credit to the university and personally, even though he may not be the absolute best PG in the country, I wouldn't trade him for anyone else.

I love scoop Jardine and think he will have a great year but I would trade him for kendall marshall in a heartbeat.