Kadary Richmond had a helluva game tonight ...

[Orangefizz]

We had Bernie fine situation and were on probation twice..so maybe we didn't have the character either

I think these are the reasons why the administration became risk-averse. The rules have completely changed in the portal era so it’s time to become aggressive again.

 

[sufan59]

Kadary was just one in a long line of guys that we invested a lot of time and energy into bringing to SU… and then JB ended up disliking and pushing out for one reason or another other.

It seemed to happen frequently and I never quite understood it.

It’s really quite amazing the line of players that were here and played or would be playing if healthy, meaningful games in March at other schools. Quincy Gurrier, Joe Girard, Kadary Richmond, Maliq Brown, and Qadir Copeland are notable ones. I like the core of the group of guys we had last year, mix in the freshmen, and get a few transfers that are defensive minded, shooting a plus. Then we may be cooking with something.

 

[dasher]

We had Bernie fine situation and were on probation twice..so maybe we didn't have the character either

What Bernie situation? That he was a gay man? Because that is all he was guilty of. The probation twice is fair but in both situations, we got caught going over 55 in a 55 mph zone. That wasn't the case with the Ville with hookers and strippers for players. The Pitino and the woman stuff happens all over the place and that is none of our business.

 

[kcsu]

Ehh hindsight is always 20/20. Most of us had no interest in an old Pitino after having just gotten rid of an old JB. I think a handful wanted Rick. Wish we had gone off the reservation with our selection but we didn't. Certainly Pitino ended up doing well this year. It is what it is.

I wanted Rick. Thought he would be a perfect transition from Jim. I would have expected him to keep Gmac and Red. Gmac might have taken over for Rick. Obviously, it was never even considered which is too bad. I know he would have never come to Syracuse which is baloney. Of course he would have considered it.

 

[kcsu]

What Bernie situation? That he was a gay man? Because that is all he was guilty of. The probation twice is fair but in both situations, we got caught going over 55 in a 55 mph zone. That wasn't the case with the Ville with hookers and strippers for players. The Pitino and the woman stuff happens all over the place and that is none of our business.

How about Mrs. Fine. I'm pretty sure she was straight.

 

[djcon57]

It’s really quite amazing the line of players that were here and played or would be playing if healthy, meaningful games in March at other schools. Quincy Gurrier, Joe Girard, Kadary Richmond, Maliq Brown, and Qadir Copeland are notable ones. I like the core of the group of guys we had last year, mix in the freshmen, and get a few transfers that are defensive minded, shooting a plus. Then we may be cooking with something.

I'm with you, but should point out other than maybe Kadary who is an all conf level PG, all those guys were perfect ROLE players on good/great teams.

The core issue was we have no stars. Or the guy we picked to be the star wasn't a star.

 

[kcsu]

Maybe. He loved SU. His mom not as much. But he absolutely would have stayed given the lead guard role. But JB protected Joe to his detriment. And that went back to the recruiting trail. JB was just really stubborn at times

At times

 

[kcsu]

well story goes slick rick introduced julie to jim NO ????
stands to reason julie watevahernamewas previous was pretty close to rick pitino and got along rather well ? one would imagine they're still friends.
given your choice of jobs betwixt SU and ST JOHN'S ? you decide.

yes

 

[dasher]

How about Mrs. Fine. I'm pretty sure she was straight.

Wait? You believe that? I'm not saying she wouldn't. But those kids could get their choice of coeds and they are going to go with MRS Fine? LOL

 

[miamicuse]

I don't care about that whole mess with Bernie, he got dragged through the mud and it's none of our business.

JB had two probations, he "didn't know that was happening", RP had recruiting violations also "didn't know that was happening" so they both "didn't have full control of their respective programs".

 

[sufan59]

I'm with you, but should point out other than maybe Kadary who is an all conf level PG, all those guys were perfect ROLE players on good/great teams.

The core issue was we have no stars. Or the guy we picked to be the star wasn't a star.

One encouraging sign at the end of the season was that we played smart basketball. Guys weren’t really forcing things as much and playing to their strengths. Guys had also learned what others can and can’t do as well. SMU game was defined by tired legs leading to an off shooting night. I can live with that.

 

[Dr. Bill]

We had Bernie fine situation and were on probation twice..so maybe we didn't have the character either

Was Bernie Fine ever found guilty of anything...or just accusations?

 

[orangenauburn]

It’s really quite amazing the line of players that were here and played or would be playing if healthy, meaningful games in March at other schools. Quincy Gurrier, Joe Girard, Kadary Richmond, Maliq Brown, and Qadir Copeland are notable ones. I like the core of the group of guys we had last year, mix in the freshmen, and get a few transfers that are defensive minded, shooting a plus. Then we may be cooking with something.

PG - Kadary / Moore
SG - JJ / Goodine
SF - Braswell / Donnie
PF - Brown / Petar
C - Lampkin

 

[Cusefan95]

I wanted Rick. Thought he would be a perfect transition from Jim. I would have expected him to keep Gmac and Red. Gmac might have taken over for Rick. Obviously, it was never even considered which is too bad. I know he would have never come to Syracuse which is baloney. Of course he would have considered it.

He would have “considered” it and maybe used it to get more from St John’s. Even if we asked, he wasn’t coming here.

There is so much to be irritated with about how the basketball program has been managed in the last decade,,,”we didn’t even try for Pitino!” doesn’t belong anywhere on the list. But if you are going to stress about it, taking it to the absolute most absurd extreme and convincing yourself he would have kept GMac and set up for Gerry to take over is definitely the way to go. Once you’ve committed to an unrealistic take, you may as well make it as unrealistic as possible.

 

[RF2044]

The previous Coach...thought Joe G was was a better point guard than Richmond, when it was obvious to many of us, that Richmond had big time point guard skills and was the major reason Kadary transferred.

It made zero sense.

Buddy was still here -- why wouldn't JB want an elite point guard like Kadary getting him the ball? I get the loyalty to JGIII, but it felt like cutting of your nose to spite your face on JB's part at the time, and still does.

Another example of us losing our top players in recent years for various reasons [Edwards, Maliq, potentially Freeman this offseason...] from rosters that wasn't deep enough to absorb the outflux of talent,

 

[RF2044]

Watching this game and the ACC championship made me sick to my stomach. We are soooooo far from this level of physicality and play it’s disgusting. We might be at the Gerg Robinson point honestly.

That's what I've said all season.

When you watch other teams outside of SU / the ACC, the difference is stark in quality of play. I'm not just talking about top 25 teams, either -- there are teams at all level that get after it defensively, are coached better, and have effective systems on both sides of the ball.

We are far off the mark, to your point.

 

[Cusefan69]

and a lot of us fans saw him as an excellent bridge to our next coach.
i get people think he's shady., but he a proven winner at all levels with SU ties as a number of astute fans noted. . probably our best option to transition to the future. pricey but he's proven himself time and time again. and your hindsight don't help much when you've picked the lifeboat with the holes in the hull and no oars. now you're swimming as he's sailing off to the NCAAT.

Red wasn't most people's first choice by a longshot and don't get a cramp in your hand patting your back for your deep vision of knowing Pitino has been a great coach. That's not exactly going out on a limb. I was 100% in the camp of going off the reservation and bringing new blood in. After watching the JB crash and burn I was also not interested in bringing in another old timer like Pitino. Replacing a 78 year old with a 70 year old was in my opinion the wrong call. As others have shared Pitino wasn't coming here anyway. So Syracuse is where it is now and the powers that be better be ready to jettison soon.

 

[Brooky03]

I never understood Boeheim running Kadary off like he did, given that the entire point of that 4 year stretch was to get Buddy as many shots as possible, and Kadary showed repeatedly that he got Buddy good quality shots much better than Girard could. Seems like the best way to showcase Buddy was to keep Richmond.

Kadary was going to play the same minutes here as he played at Seton Hall. To say he was ‘run off’ is not accurate.

He is the same type of player he was. A somewhat inefficient scorer who relies on driving to the rim with his physical attributes more so than creative ballhandling. He is an average creator for others, with okay assist numbers, not a ‘floor general’ type. His a/to ratio just shy of 2:1 is fine, just fine. Doesn’t draw as much contact/fouls as he should. Doesn’t convert at the line at a high clip,

His positional defense needed work for most of his career, recently getting better in Pitino’s system. He’s always been a bit of a gambler who manages some highlight steals at the expense of some easy buckets.

Great rebounder.

So, that’s what Kadary is. There’s a reason he’s played 5 years of college ball. When he was here as a freshman, relatively unheralded coming out of hs, the above is the player he was. He had mental lapses in the zone that would cost him playing time, as was common for JB’s freshman. The offense wasn’t appreciably better with him on the court per the numbers, but he was the more entertaining player.

He was in line for a Dion Waiters role. He wanted to be the starter, despite probably playing more minutes than the ‘starter’ and wanted to shoot threes. If a title is that important to a person, so be it. He’s never been given the green light to shoot 3’s at volume by any coach. If he had an issue with the coaching, as he indicated in his parting shots at the program, it wasn’t apparently coaching much different than he’s getting right now.

Joe Girard had a bad sophomore season. Joe Girard didn’t help the team unless he hit shots. Joe Girard was an okay positional defender in the zone (better at rotations than KR at that point) who lost matchups a bunch because he was small and slow. The net difference between Joe Girard and Kadary Richmond if you flipped their minutes that season, was about 1.5 points per game (factoring in defense, assists, shooting, turnovers). That could have been the difference in a maximum of 2 games that we lost when you look at box scores and their contributions in those games.

What ‘run off’ means in this context, is a freshman who played high teens mpg (when you nerf the games he had to start) who was in line for an impact role on the team the following season at mid-20’s mpg. I wish I could get ‘run off’ from a job like that.

 

[kcsu]

He would have “considered” it and maybe used it to get more from St John’s. Even if we asked, he wasn’t coming here.

There is so much to be irritated with about how the basketball program has been managed in the last decade,,,”we didn’t even try for Pitino!” doesn’t belong anywhere on the list. But if you are going to stress about it, taking it to the absolute most absurd extreme and convincing yourself he would have kept GMac and set up for Gerry to take over is definitely the way to go. Once you’ve committed to an unrealistic take, you may as well make it as unrealistic as possible.

I do my best

 

[djcon57]

Kadary leads a 30-4 team in BPR and BPM.

...and yet here we still are for some people.

 

[sufandu]

Glad we chased him off.

Well, you know, conditioning. And since we famously used every minute of every practice, there was no time left over for guys to do extra run and improve their conditioning.

 

[tbonezone]

Red wasn't most people's first choice by a longshot and don't get a cramp in your hand patting your back for your deep vision of knowing Pitino has been a great coach. That's not exactly going out on a limb. I was 100% in the camp of going off the reservation and bringing new blood in. After watching the JB crash and burn I was also not interested in bringing in another old timer like Pitino. Replacing a 78 year old with a 70 year old was in my opinion the wrong call. As others have shared Pitino wasn't coming here anyway. So Syracuse is where it is now and the powers that be better be ready to jettison soon.

i (and others rightly) merely suggested "old man " rick as building a bridge to the future. not a long term fix. a chance to perhaps find another young coach maybe even one tutored on his own staff . a chance to put some butts in the seats , some money in our coffers, and perhaps shine some much needed light on this fading program. a bridge back from irrelevance to respectability . a gap which currently is widening every day into what might now be called a cosmic chasm.
slick rick did just that exact same trick at st john's. and like him or not it's not going out on limb to say he's a winner. we're still nobodies.

 

[donniesyracuse]

What Bernie situation? That he was a gay man? Because that is all he was guilty of.

He was fired for being gay? That is good lawsuit material.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Maybe. He loved SU. His mom not as much. But he absolutely would have stayed given the lead guard role. But JB protected Joe to his detriment. And that went back to the recruiting trail. JB was just really stubborn at times

Hang on, I thought once Kadary got to Syracuse he didn't like it. Is that not how it went down? It was family stuff?

 

[BlackSquirrels]

Kadary was going to play the same minutes here as he played at Seton Hall. To say he was ‘run off’ is not accurate.

He is the player he was. A somewhat inefficient scorer who relies on driving to the rim with his physical attributes more so than creative ballhandling. He is an average creator for others, with okay assist numbers, not a ‘floor general’ type. His a/to ratio just shy of 2:1 is fine, just fine. Doesn’t draw as much contact/fouls as he should. Doesn’t convert at the line at a high clip,

His positional defense needed work for most of his career, recently getting better in Pitino’s system. He’s always been a bit of a gambler who manages some highlight steals at the expense of some easy buckets.

Great rebounder.

So, that’s what Kadary is. There’s a reason he’s played 5 years of college ball. When he was here as a freshman, relatively unheralded coming out of hs, the above is the player he was. He had mental lapses in the zone that would cost him playing time, as was common for JB’s freshman. The offense wasn’t appreciably better with him on the court per the numbers, but he was the more entertaining player.

He was in line for a Dion Waiters role. He wanted to be the starter, despite probably playing more minutes than the ‘starter’ and wanted to shoot threes. If a title is that important to a person, so be it. He’s never been given the green light to shoot 3’s at volume by any coach. If he had an issue with the coaching, as he indicated in his parting shots at the program, it wasn’t apparently coaching much different than he’s getting right now.

Joe Girard had a bad sophomore season. Joe Girard didn’t help the team unless he hit shots. Joe Girard was an okay positional defender in the zone (better at rotations than KR at that point) who lost matchups a bunch because he was small and slow. The net difference between Joe Girard and Kadary Richmond if you flipped their minutes that season, was about 1.5 points per game (factoring in defense, assists, shooting, turnovers). That could have been the difference in a maximum of 2 games that we lost when you look at box scores.

What ‘run off’ means in this context, is a freshman who played high teens mpg (when you nerd the games he had to start) who was in line for an impact role on the team the following season at mid-20’s mpg. I wish I could get ‘run off’ from a job like that.

i ain't reading all that

i'm happy for u tho

or sorry that happened