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Kimble is not a D1 QB.

Wilson could be a little bit better, but he is far from a Top 35 level QB too.

Bring 'em in and if they can't play, ship 'em out. Harsh reality of the situation.

Hoping for Hunt, Eduoard, Long, Dungey as the foursome. If there's a fifth, Hale isn't a bad guy to have who could play another position.

Regardless of what people say on this board, Hunt is the best option we have for winning next year. That's a fact. Hopefully Eduoard and Long can continue to develop, and all three can get to a point where it will be a healthy competition for the starting spot in Spring 2016.
 
I just watched Edouard's highlight film, because I have nothing to do but hope someone new shows up. Can't comment much on his passing. Arm looks strong enough, but threw a lot of passes that WRs just made a play on. Running? Yeah, that looks a LOT better than anything we have on the roster, or have had on the roster since that McNabb guy.


Don McPherson almost won a Heisman throwing balls that wide receivers made a play on.

Our wide receivers didn't have many balls they could make a play on this past year.
 
I cringe when people write "he's not a D1 quarterback". I think every one of our QB's on the roster can play at this level. The problem we have is these kids are being forced to play QB 2 years too early here. There is no way Long should have been playing this year. He wasn't strong enough and we saw what happened. Now Long as a RS Soph or Jr is a different story. Same goes with Kimble or Wilson. This needs to change.
 
Kimble is not a D1 QB.

Wilson could be a little bit better, but he is far from a Top 35 level QB too.

Bring 'em in and if they can't play, ship 'em out. Harsh reality of the situation.

Hoping for Hunt, Eduoard, Long, Dungey as the foursome. If there's a fifth, Hale isn't a bad guy to have who could play another position.

Regardless of what people say on this board, Hunt is the best option we have for winning next year. That's a fact. Hopefully Eduoard and Long can continue to develop, and all three can get to a point where it will be a healthy competition for the starting spot in Spring 2016.
I'm still waiting for a post from you with anything positive in it.

I'll never be able to grasp how "grown-ups" can call out college student athletes. It's almost as bad as booing amateur athletes.
 
I'm still waiting for a post from you with anything positive in it.

I'll never be able to grasp how "grown-ups" can call out college student athletes. It's almost as bad as booing amateur athletes.

A little sensitive much? Not sure how I am calling out a college student athlete. I said he's not a D1 QB. I'm not saying he's a bad person.
 
I cringe when people write "he's not a D1 quarterback". I think every one of our QB's on the roster can play at this level. The problem we have is these kids are being forced to play QB 2 years too early here. There is no way Long should have been playing this year. He wasn't strong enough and we saw what happened. Now Long as a RS Soph or Jr is a different story. Same goes with Kimble or Wilson. This needs to change.

My question to you is this: How are we seeing kids around the country have success offensively at other schools as freshmen and sophomores at QB, while every single year we need ours to develop until they're upperclassmen for them to be any good at all? Are we that much more of a developmental school? Nunes, Anderson, Nassib et al were mediocre to bad early in their careers before getting better as upperclassmen.

Going by your argument (which in principle I agree with), we shouldn't be starting a kid until at least their redshirt sophomore year. But is that realistic in today's college landscape? Anyone worth anything wants to play right away.

I get your argument, but why is it so difficult for our program to have a three-year starter at QB? And why is it that after one of the seniors leaves who has been good, we are right back to the drawing board with an inexperienced freshman/sophomore stepping in to see if they're good enough? Gotta start blaming the coaching staffs of years past - and also of years present, as I'm not sure we're going to be in any different shape after next year and Hunt leaves.

You truly believe that after watching Wilson and Kimble over multiple games, that either of them can lead Syracuse to a bowl game? Sorry. I guess we can agree to disagree.
 
My question to you is this: How are we seeing kids around the country have success offensively at other schools as freshmen and sophomores at QB, while every single year we need ours to develop until they're upperclassmen for them to be any good at all? Are we that much more of a developmental school? Nunes, Anderson, Nassib et al were mediocre to bad early in their careers before getting better as upperclassmen.

Going by your argument (which in principle I agree with), we shouldn't be starting a kid until at least their redshirt sophomore year. But is that realistic in today's college landscape? Anyone worth anything wants to play right away.

I get your argument, but why is it so difficult for our program to have a three-year starter at QB? And why is it that after one of the seniors leaves who has been good, we are right back to the drawing board with an inexperienced freshman/sophomore stepping in to see if they're good enough? Gotta start blaming the coaching staffs of years past - and also of years present, as I'm not sure we're going to be in any different shape after next year and Hunt leaves.

You truly believe that after watching Wilson and Kimble over multiple games, that either of them can lead Syracuse to a bowl game? Sorry. I guess we can agree to disagree.
First, it isn't a fact that Hunt is the best choice for qb next year. It is an opinion. And one that may be true. But not a fact. Second, other teams have qb's that are simply better out of the gate than ours are.
 
My question to you is this: How are we seeing kids around the country have success offensively at other schools as freshmen and sophomores at QB, while every single year we need ours to develop until they're upperclassmen for them to be any good at all? Are we that much more of a developmental school? Nunes, Anderson, Nassib et al were mediocre to bad early in their careers before getting better as upperclassmen.

Going by your argument (which in principle I agree with), we shouldn't be starting a kid until at least their redshirt sophomore year. But is that realistic in today's college landscape? Anyone worth anything wants to play right away.

I get your argument, but why is it so difficult for our program to have a three-year starter at QB? And why is it that after one of the seniors leaves who has been good, we are right back to the drawing board with an inexperienced freshman/sophomore stepping in to see if they're good enough? Gotta start blaming the coaching staffs of years past - and also of years present, as I'm not sure we're going to be in any different shape after next year and Hunt leaves.

You truly believe that after watching Wilson and Kimble over multiple games, that either of them can lead Syracuse to a bowl game? Sorry. I guess we can agree to disagree.

Who are all these kids around the country? Start naming names.
 
Who are all these kids around the country? Start naming names.

Anu Solomon, Sefo Leiofo, Treon Harris, DeShaun Watson, Brad Kaaya, Chad Voytik, JT Barrett, Jameis Winston, Kyle Allen, Justin Thomas, Everett Golston, Jeff Goff, Luke Falk

That's just off the top of my head. Not getting into the argument, just saying they're out there.
 
Don McPherson almost won a Heisman throwing balls that wide receivers made a play on.

Our wide receivers didn't have many balls they could make a play on this past year.

I concur with some trepidation that part of the lack of success of our QB's were lack of receivers who knew how to get the ball and find the open spots down the field. The Long-to-West connections were a preview of what our QB-WR connections could be. I witnessed more often than not, receivers not putting themselves in position to get to the ball. Whether this is lack of talent, effort, poor placement of the ball, etc, I don't know. I do know that watching Broyld last year that he seemed to give up on balls often instead of fighting to get it. Same could be said for some receivers this year.

And before you think I am placing all blame on the receivers, I will also point out the inaccuracy of our QB throws with the exception of Long, who seems to be our most accurate thrower. I never saw. with any consistency in a game, that Wilson was the best pure passer. He didn't look like an instinctive passer in games, while Long seemed, for the most part, to allow his instincts (talent) to guide his throws. Hunt was not very accurate this year, when he played, this year either - he completely missed his lateral throws to receivers/backs that were wide open too often to compete at the D1 level.

The throwing game can be made by a superbly accurate QB, or an uber talented receiver who can get the balls thrown his way, but in most cases its a combinations of 1) reasonably accurate (catchable) throws by the QB, 2) instinctive receiver who can get the balls thrown his way, 3) sufficient protection that the QB doesn't have to think too much about getting reamed by a defensive player, and 4) good play calling to make the throws successful.

In my opinion, regardless of any "upgrade" we get at any position, these 4 (possibly more) things need to mesh for the offensive to have a good passing game. Its not just one player, its the whole enchilada that needs to mesh properly to execute a good passing offense, and that most definitely includes a good running attack to keep the D in check, and good play calling.

I have to believe, because I'm just a wacky fan of SU Sports, that there will be an evolution on the offensive end and that the offense, under Lester, will begin to progress instead of regressing like this year. In any case, I did really enjoy watching Long play this year, he may be small but he's got some moxie ... oh, and that tattoo on his bicep proclaiming his allegiance - gotta love that.
 
My question to you is this: How are we seeing kids around the country have success offensively at other schools as freshmen and sophomores at QB, while every single year we need ours to develop until they're upperclassmen for them to be any good at all? Are we that much more of a developmental school? Nunes, Anderson, Nassib et al were mediocre to bad early in their careers before getting better as upperclassmen.

Going by your argument (which in principle I agree with), we shouldn't be starting a kid until at least their redshirt sophomore year. But is that realistic in today's college landscape? Anyone worth anything wants to play right away.

I get your argument, but why is it so difficult for our program to have a three-year starter at QB? And why is it that after one of the seniors leaves who has been good, we are right back to the drawing board with an inexperienced freshman/sophomore stepping in to see if they're good enough? Gotta start blaming the coaching staffs of years past - and also of years present, as I'm not sure we're going to be in any different shape after next year and Hunt leaves.

You truly believe that after watching Wilson and Kimble over multiple games, that either of them can lead Syracuse to a bowl game? Sorry. I guess we can agree to disagree.


We aren't recruiting 5 star can't miss type QB's here. Kids we bring in tend to have their warts for lack of better terminology. Hunt had no idea what a passing tree was when he got here. Long needs to get stronger. Wilson has the intangibles but played against marginal competition in HS. Not every QB here can be McNabb. McNabb was a freak athlete who is a borderline HOF football player. We tend to be spoiled by that.

Some of our better QB play has been by guys like Philcox, or Nassib. Nassib spent 3 years in the program before he got meaningful PT. It's important we understand that.
 
He got benched mid-year for Greg Ward Jr. But good call cause Ward Jr. is only a Sophmore.
Even so, O'Korn's freshman season stats would have topped out record book.
 
Anu Solomon, Sefo Leiofo, Treon Harris, DeShaun Watson, Brad Kaaya, Chad Voytik, JT Barrett, Jameis Winston, Kyle Allen, Justin Thomas, Everett Golston, Jeff Goff, Luke Falk

That's just off the top of my head. Not getting into the argument, just saying they're out there.

All of the kids you mentioned were heavily recruited, 4 or 5 star type kids. I don't think any of those guys were really developmental prospects like a Hunt, Wilson, etc. I agree that those guys are out there, but Syracuse hasn't been a player for those types of kids.
 
All of the kids you mentioned were heavily recruited, 4 or 5 star type kids. I don't think any of those guys were really developmental prospects like a Hunt, Wilson, etc. I agree that those guys are out there, but Syracuse hasn't been a player for those types of kids.

I agree. Wasn't really trying to hop on one side of the argument just pointing out that underclassmen do play.
 
John O'Korn!!!!

In fairness, he was benched this year. But to the point he was benched, he had 6 TDs and his efficiency for the year ended up being 100, better than all QB's at SU except Hunt. (Lest I remind you that we as a team combined to throw for 6 TDs all season).

He went 30-for-52 for 307 yards and 3 TDs at BYU. And last year as a true freshman he had 28 TDs and 10 INTs and led his team to 8 wins. He would have been head and shoulders better than anyone we had this year.

All of the kids you mentioned were heavily recruited, 4 or 5 star type kids. I don't think any of those guys were really developmental prospects like a Hunt, Wilson, etc. I agree that those guys are out there, but Syracuse hasn't been a player for those types of kids.

Sefo Liufau was given the same 80 rating on ESPN as AJ Long was (yes I understand recruiting ratings aren't perfect, but he wasn't head and shoulders above a guy we were able to get). John O'Korn threw for 28 TDs last year. Sean Mannion was recruited by San Jose State before throwing for over 3,000 yards at Oregon State as a freshman. Davis Webb of Texas Tech threw for 2,700 yards last year and 20 TDs. He was a 3-4 star recruit that we are a player for.

There are plenty of guys out there that are good early in their careers.
 
In fairness, he was benched this year. But to the point he was benched, he had 6 TDs and his efficiency for the year ended up being 100, better than all QB's at SU except Hunt. (Lest I remind you that we as a team combined to throw for 6 TDs all season).

He went 30-for-52 for 307 yards and 3 TDs at BYU. And last year as a true freshman he had 28 TDs and 10 INTs and led his team to 8 wins. He would have been head and shoulders better than anyone we had this year.



Sefo Liufau was given the same 80 rating on ESPN as AJ Long was (yes I understand recruiting ratings aren't perfect, but he wasn't head and shoulders above a guy we were able to get). John O'Korn threw for 28 TDs last year. Sean Mannion was recruited by San Jose State before throwing for over 3,000 yards at Oregon State as a freshman. Davis Webb of Texas Tech threw for 2,700 yards last year and 20 TDs. He was a 3-4 star recruit that we are a player for.

There are plenty of guys out there that are good early in their careers.

Long was a two star on the other services. I also think he can be a very good player. You say "plenty" I say a handful.
 
All of the kids you mentioned were heavily recruited, 4 or 5 star type kids. I don't think any of those guys were really developmental prospects like a Hunt, Wilson, etc. I agree that those guys are out there, but Syracuse hasn't been a player for those types of kids.

And that was my point...

And i'd guess just as many of the 4/5 kids wash out to.

Plenty of them around ? no. A few yes.
 
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In fairness, he was benched this year. But to the point he was benched, he had 6 TDs and his efficiency for the year ended up being 100, better than all QB's at SU except Hunt. (Lest I remind you that we as a team combined to throw for 6 TDs all season).

He went 30-for-52 for 307 yards and 3 TDs at BYU. And last year as a true freshman he had 28 TDs and 10 INTs and led his team to 8 wins. He would have been head and shoulders better than anyone we had this year.



Sefo Liufau was given the same 80 rating on ESPN as AJ Long was (yes I understand recruiting ratings aren't perfect, but he wasn't head and shoulders above a guy we were able to get). John O'Korn threw for 28 TDs last year. Sean Mannion was recruited by San Jose State before throwing for over 3,000 yards at Oregon State as a freshman. Davis Webb of Texas Tech threw for 2,700 yards last year and 20 TDs. He was a 3-4 star recruit that we are a player for.

There are plenty of guys out there that are good early in their careers.


Syracuse did try to flip okorn he stuck with Houston.
 
Long was a two star on the other services. I also think he can be a very good player. You say "plenty" I say a handful.
part of the reason i like some version of the air raid is because how teams practice it. teams install it quick, it develops qbs quickly. fast pace, every snap, every qb and every WR are throwing and catching. there are definitely tradeoffs - it's a sucky way for a defense to prepare for a variety of opponents. but I don't care. our passing has been so bad every year but one since 1998.

it doesn't have to be air raid. i think it's easier for QBs when as many people as possible are out of the way. spreading everyone out, running 4 verticals, breaking off based on coverages, practicing it over and over, a million passes in the air, combined with simple counting to decide when to run or throw the bubble. it's just not that hard.

you're not going to win every game this way, eventually you'll trip up against someone that goes all Nick Provo on you. OH WELL
 
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but I don't care. our passing has been so bad every year but one since 1998.
This is why I don't understand some of the resistance on the board to us adopting what other people are doing that works. At a certain point you'd think we'd be tired of bad offense, but I guess deep down, we really like it.

Syracuse's next innovation is going to be the opposite of 5 wide. It will be called 5 narrow, and put 3 TEs and 2 fullbacks in the box.
 
Syr.com Kimbles gone Grab another QB before Signing day
 

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