Kingz would have been a great shooting guard

[Cusefan0307]

Great pickup and identification by Kline. Has been used better recently, but for most of the season that hasn’t been the case. We would be a better team had he been given more usage each game. That would have fixed half the backcourt problems.

 

[justgold315]

Great pickup and identification by Kline. Has been used better recently, but for most of the season that hasn’t been the case. We would be a better team had he been given more usage each game. That would have fixed half the backcourt problems.

I'd like to see the line up of Kyle, Freeman, Betsy, Kingz, and George/JJ/Anthony. At least three shooting threats and two strong rebounders.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Great pickup and identification by Kline. Has been used better recently, but for most of the season that hasn’t been the case. We would be a better team had he been given more usage each game. That would have fixed half the backcourt problems.

He would have really benefited from an actual pg that can get him open looks.

 

[phil77]

George/Kingz/Betsy/Freeman/Kyle and play through Donnie in the post and if double hit open shooters. JJ and White off the bench for change of pace energy guys would be a nice team. If we had a good coach that would easily easily easily be a tournament team. Like no question.

 

[orangepassion]

Our whole team would benefit from us setting good picks. It seems like other teams are able to pick off our guys and get open shots, while basically ignoring our picks when they're on Defense. A big reason, along with more consistent ball movement, why opposing teams get so many more open shots than us,

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Our whole team would benefit from us setting good picks. It seems like other teams are able to pick off our guys and get open shots, while basically ignoring our picks when they're on Defense. A big reason, along with more consistent ball movement, why opposing teams get so many more open shots than us,

This is also reliant on the guards properly using the picks. Run your guy off of the screen. Don’t start your move until the screen is set. Fundamental stuff it never seems we do well

 

[MikeSU02]

Great pickup and identification by Kline. Has been used better recently, but for most of the season that hasn’t been the case. We would be a better team had he been given more usage each game. That would have fixed half the backcourt problems.

It's sad. It's somewhat akin to when JGIII was forced to play PG instead of having Kadary running PG with the Buddy/JGIII being able to be off ball.

I'm not trying to re-litigate that, btw, but it's exactly Red replicating mistakes that JB did, which is not surprising.

The right casting is there to be had, but instead of we kept rolling out JJ and also giving Kiyan an insane amount of PT off the bench as well.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

It's sad. It's somewhat akin to when JGIII was forced to play PG instead of having Kadary running PG with the Buddy/JGIII being able to be off ball.

I'm not trying to re-litigate that, btw, but it's exactly Red replicating mistakes that JB did, which is not surprising.

The right casting is there to be had, but instead of we kept rolling out JJ and also giving Kiyan an insane amount of PT off the bench as well.

We had a capable pg on the bench in Kadary. We don’t have a capable pg on our roster right now

 

[littlereg]

Great pickup and identification by Kline. Has been used better recently, but for most of the season that hasn’t been the case. We would be a better team had he been given more usage each game. That would have fixed half the backcourt problems.

Yeah its almost like many of us have been saying thi since camp, some the first exhibition games into first regular season games, etc.
Shocking that random nimwits from Snowville NY can identity that better than the greatest coaching staff in the history of planet earth according to Red Autry booster club (BOT and lots of alum)

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I don’t know. The guy destroys poor teams and then can’t get a look against the good ones. It’s not all his doing. He’s not being helped by the others. For all the hype about how well he shot last year on a “P5” team, go look at the schedule they played. Looks a lot more like an old WCC schedule than a PAC-10 one

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Yeah its almost like many of us have been saying thi since camp, some the first exhibition games into first regular season games, etc.
Shocking that random nimwits from Snowville NY can identity that better than the greatest coaching staff in the history of planet earth according to Red Autry booster club (BOT and lots of alum)

I saw George play 1 game in the preseason and couldn’t believe the hype. He looked like he had no body control and lacked physical strength. “All ACC third team”. Please. His numbers weren’t good and the ACC had minimal talent at his position last year

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t know. The guy destroys poor teams and then can’t get a look against the good ones. It’s not all his doing. He’s not being helped by the others. For all the hype about how well he shot last year on a “P5” team, go look at the schedule they played. Looks a lot more like an old WCC schedule than a PAC-10 one

He cooked Tennessee earlier in the year and we never passed to him in the second half. He also cooked Gonzaga last year who happened to be the best team in the WCC. His numbers this year are better against power teams than cupcakes.

 

[MikeSU02]

I saw George play 1 game in the preseason and couldn’t believe the hype. He looked like he had no body control and lacked physical strength. “All ACC third team”. Please. His numbers weren’t good and the ACC had minimal talent at his position last year

Thing with George is that he never was elite or insanely efficient. I think the goal was someone that was a real lead guard at the ACC level that could elevate others (IMO).

Last Year / This Year
FGA: 39.4% / 39.3%
3PT%: 33.9% / 31.6% (obvious decrease here for sure)
APG: 6.5 / 5.5 (note - 3.0 TOs per game both years)
PER: 14.1 / 13.6 (both aren't great)
TS%: 50.3% / 52.1%

Point being, I had the same reaction as the year went along because he wasn't blowing by his man or just dominating really. And I think that is ok, with his inefficiency, if you are setting up guys in a system that makes them better with George being the guy that gets the ball up the court, gets the offense started, gets guys the ball where they need them...

So I think without a higher level offensive strategy/system from the staff and good coaching, I think he becomes more valuable... However, with our dysfunctional system, I think it renders him sporadically good, at best, and really mediocre day in and day out (and even below that a lot of times). He's not an efficiency guy that equates to wins (think like CP3 in the NBA for each team he went to) and he's not a physically imposing lead guard (think like D Rose was that would put the fear of god into the defense)... and on top of that, we then have our guys in Donnie, Kingz and JJ playing really bumpy offense (again, an example is JJ modeling after D Wade or Kingz being modeled after Klay, etc), we have these blips of offensive prowess but chronically dysfunctional on offense.

It's ok to not have a guy that can dominate from the lead guard physically or see the game five steps ahead, but if he isn't teed up to even make the lives of every other guy on the court just a little easier, it's going to be rough most of the time.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He cooked Tennessee earlier in the year and we never passed to him in the second half. He also cooked Gonzaga last year who happened to be the best team in the WCC. His numbers this year are better against power teams than cupcakes.

I mean it’s a matter of looking at game logs. His best games have been against Stone Hill , BC, Notre Dame, St Joes, and Hofstra. Power 5 teams not the same as actually powerful teams.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Thing with George is that he never was elite or insanely efficient. I think the goal was someone that was a real lead guard at the ACC level that could elevate others (IMO).

Last Year / This Year
FGA: 39.4% / 39.3%
3PT%: 33.9% / 31.6% (obvious decrease here for sure)
APG: 6.5 / 5.5 (note - 3.0 TOs per game both years)
PER: 14.1 / 13.6 (both aren't great)
TS%: 50.3% / 52.1%

Point being, I had the same reaction as the year went along because he wasn't blowing by his man or just dominating really. And I think that is ok, with his inefficiency, if you are setting up guys in a system that makes them better with George being the guy that gets the ball up the court, gets the offense started, gets guys the ball where they need them...

So I think without a higher level offensive strategy/system from the staff and good coaching, I think he becomes more valuable... However, with our dysfunctional system, I think it renders him sporadically good, at best, and really mediocre day in and day out (and even below that a lot of times). He's not an efficiency guy that equates to wins (think like CP3 in the NBA for each team he went to) and he's not a physically imposing lead guard (think like D Rose was that would put the fear of god into the defense)... and on top of that, we then have our guys in Donnie, Kingz and JJ playing really bumpy offense (again, an example is JJ modeling after D Wade or Kingz being modeled after Klay, etc), we have these blips of offensive prowess but chronically dysfunctional on offense.

It's ok to not have a guy that can dominate from the lead guard physically or see the game five steps ahead, but if he isn't teed up to even make the lives of every other guy on the court just a little easier, it's going to be rough most of the time.

He makes poor decisions that go beyond a system issue. He makes unnecessarily difficult passes that even if completed have a low reward. He dribbles into double teams. He uses the end lines against himself by dribbling into corners. Avoiding that type of play are innate in a good pg. he lacks it. Again, system doesn’t help, but it’s not only the system

 

[Cusefan0307]

I mean it’s a matter of looking at game logs. His best games have been against Stone Hill , BC, Notre Dame, St Joes, and Hofstra. Power 5 teams not the same as actually powerful teams.

Odd you skipped Tennessee to prove your point. He's shooting 45% from 3 in ACC play. He was about 30% in OOC play. That is the entire point.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Odd you skipped Tennessee to prove your point. He's shooting 45% from 3 in ACC play. He was about 30% in OOC play. That is the entire point.

2/6 from 3 is why I didn’t include it. My point is he’s a player that has trouble against good teams and plays best against bad. I never brought out of conference or in conference into it. The reason I referenced power 5 was with regards to last year where he was on a so called “power 5” team but in reality Oregon state isn’t a power 5 team anymore.

 

[Cusefan0307]

2/6 from 3 is why I didn’t include it. My point is he’s a player that has trouble against good teams and plays best against bad. I never brought out of conference or in conference into it. The reason I referenced power 5 was with regards to last year where he was on a so called “power 5” team but in reality Oregon state isn’t a power 5 team anymore.

I view struggling as not being able to do anything which was more the case at the start of the season. He scored 19 points against Tennessee. It was a big reason why we won. He was a combined 11-26 from 3 against Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, Clemson, UNC, and FSU. The lack of shot attempts in those games are ridiculous. The reason for that is the terrible pg play and JJ/Kiyan being black holes. The shot distribution is the problem.

 

[cusefan88]

Kingz and Donnie should have the most usage on the team.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Kingz and Donnie should have the most usage on the team.

No, no. It is Donnie, JJ and Kiyan. Oh, you said “Should”