Kline exposes Autry's flaws

[2B20Again]

Carlos is tiny and shot .318 from 3 playing on a team in the coastal athletic conference

Lampkin had 34 blocks at tcu and Colorado

Davis shot 246 from three at Delaware

Taylor was 11th on the Georgia State team in defensive rating

This is three minutes of work

I know these aren't first choices but given who you already have, what in the hell are they doing?

Kline or pretty much anyone in that role will have to be helpful but autry has still got to go, the guy making millions is going to still decide and he might be as bad at roster building as he is at lineups

How can you know how to defend other teams if you're this bad at knowing what you need?

Completely unfair assessment. No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted. Red not my first choice but if you cut him free after not supporting him the only coach you could get is some guy from CYO. If you think SU will spend for some high profile coach, I need to know what you are drinking or smoking. Red is a great recruiter. Let’s see if he get the $$$$ he neeeds to be competitive. I keep hearing what a bad coach he is. Lost his bet player for 7 games, followed by loosing his secon best player for more than half of his season. No money to add the players he wants, not exactly a recipe for success. Relax.

 

[RF2044]

Completely unfair assessment. No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted. Red not my first choice but if you cut him free after not supporting him the only coach you could get is some guy from CYO. If you think SU will spend for some high profile coach, I need to know what you are drinking or smoking. Red is a great recruiter. Let’s see if he get the $$$$ he neeeds to be competitive. I keep hearing what a bad coach he is. Lost his bet player for 7 games, followed by loosing his secon best player for more than half of his season. No money to add the players he wants, not exactly a recipe for success. Relax.

It isn't "completely unfair" at all. During both his seasons at the helm, there have been Red flags about his coaching acumen -- lousy defense, broken offensive concept, predictable in-bounds plays, baffling substitution patterns, players regressing, etc. The notion that we need to assemble a super team to overcome questionable coaching is yet another Red flag [pun intended].

Even when his "best player" was on the court and healthy, we still struggled against low end teams like Le Moyne and Youngstown State. Blowout after blowout.

Just a counterpoint -- yes, we need more NIL resources. But the coach also has to demonstrate that they have the chops. So far, he hasn't. Our struggles can't just be chalked up to NIL -- that's a gross oversimplification.

 

[Sbucketball]

Completely unfair assessment. No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted. Red not my first choice but if you cut him free after not supporting him the only coach you could get is some guy from CYO. If you think SU will spend for some high profile coach, I need to know what you are drinking or smoking. Red is a great recruiter. Let’s see if he get the $$$$ he neeeds to be competitive. I keep hearing what a bad coach he is. Lost his bet player for 7 games, followed by loosing his secon best player for more than half of his season. No money to add the players he wants, not exactly a recipe for success. Relax.

Can he start next week?

 

[rrlbees]

Completely unfair assessment. No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted. Red not my first choice but if you cut him free after not supporting him the only coach you could get is some guy from CYO. If you think SU will spend for some high profile coach, I need to know what you are drinking or smoking. Red is a great recruiter. Let’s see if he get the $$$$ he neeeds to be competitive. I keep hearing what a bad coach he is. Lost his bet player for 7 games, followed by loosing his secon best player for more than half of his season. No money to add the players he wants, not exactly a recipe for success. Relax.

He got the $$$ he felt he needed plus a bit more in the end.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Completely unfair assessment. No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted. Red not my first choice but if you cut him free after not supporting him the only coach you could get is some guy from CYO. If you think SU will spend for some high profile coach, I need to know what you are drinking or smoking. Red is a great recruiter. Let’s see if he get the $$$$ he neeeds to be competitive. I keep hearing what a bad coach he is. Lost his bet player for 7 games, followed by loosing his secon best player for more than half of his season. No money to add the players he wants, not exactly a recipe for success. Relax.

Do you watch the games?
Many things he does as the head coach just don't make sense.

 

[Millhouse]

It isn't "completely unfair" at all. During both his seasons at the helm, there have been Red flags about his coaching acumen -- lousy defense, broken offensive concept, predictable in-bounds plays, baffling substitution patterns, players regressing, etc. The notion that we need to assemble a super team to overcome questionable coaching is yet another Red flag [pun intended].

Even when his "best player" was on the court and healthy, we still struggled against low end teams like Le Moyne and Youngstown State. Blowout after blowout.

Just a counterpoint -- yes, we need more NIL resources. But the coach also has to demonstrate that they have the chops. So far, he hasn't. Our struggles can't just be chalked up to NIL -- that's a gross oversimplification.

when all anyone hears is that the money is never enough, they start to wonder why they bother giving in the first place

how much money goes into the practice facility and people telling me they don't have treadmills

 

[IthacaMatt]

when all anyone hears is that the money is never enough, they start to wonder why they bother giving in the first place

how much money goes into the practice facility and people telling me they don't have treadmills

It's like when a buddy of mine was #2 at the DPW, and he told me how so many of the big plows were out of service as we headed into one winter because they hadn't changed the oil on average in 64,000 miles. Like basically, never, until the trucks eventually broke down.

 

[Millhouse]

Facts , we’re easily -5 games in the loss column solely based on Reds inability to coach.

I think you're right, this teams SRS is actually better than Boeheim's last year but has 4 fewer wins

Boeheim is better in games than just about everyone who's ever lived so it's a tough act to follow but how do you blow 3 games in a row with double digit second half leads in college basketball

 

[Millhouse]

It's like when a buddy of mine was #2 at the DPW, and he told me how so many of the big plows were out of service as we headed into one winter because they hadn't changed the oil on average in 64,000 miles. Like basically, never, until the trucks eventually broke down.

i spent a summer working at a podunk dpw not knowing how to drive standard (to go clean up some dead cat) struggling to scale anthills getting heckled by random people i knew. Was always terrified the guys in the garage would smell whatever clutch infraction i committed, they were angry psychos like some people on this board who hate me. good times. those guys took pride in the trucks though.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Rick Pitino is one of the greatest college coaches of all time -- maybe even arguably THE best, if not in the top handful.

He would absolutely have this team positioned to capitalize on such a down year in the ACC. All of those games where we came close, but botched execution down the stretch leading to losses? Most of those would flip. We also wouldn't have struggled playing the Le Moyne's and Youngstown State's of the world, we wouldn't have lost to last place Miami, etc. Why? Because he's that good.

I was one of the few who thought Pitino should have been the "bridge to the future" coach when Boeheim was out, not one of these guys who never was a head coach before.

 

[Scooch]

how do you blow 3 games in a row with double digit second half leads in college basketball

Practice!

 

[Scooch]

No $$$ to get the players he neeed and wanted.

1) He had the $$$ to get most of the players he wanted.
2) It's his job to get the $$$.
3) Multiple people have said he didn't fundraise during long stretches of the year.
4) That's why he didn't have more $$$.

 

[RF2044]

I was one of the few who thought Pitino should have been the "bridge to the future" coach when Boeheim was out, not one of these guys who never was a head coach before.

In retrospect, would have been perfect.