Kornheiser just called Marrone the dumbest guy in the world

[CuseOnly]

4x$4m = $16m

1x$4m +?? = $4m +??

Which scenario would you like better.

I see where you are going but as I said, he will get another job. It's just a question as to how much he will make as so eloquently shown in your equations. He isn't dying, he isn't retiring.

Doesn't change the fact that he is getting $4 mil to take a vacation and think about where he wants to land.

 

[longtimefan]

I see where you are going but as I said, he will get another job. It's just a question as to how much he will make as so eloquently shown in your equations. He isn't dying, he isn't retiring.

Doesn't change the fact that he is getting $4 mil to take a vacation and think about where he wants to land.

Yes, he can "think about where he wants to land", but it takes 2 to tango. What if his "dream" landing spot wants nothing to do with him?

 

[Zcuse]

I see where you are going but as I said, he will get another job. It's just a question as to how much he will make as so eloquently shown in your equations. He isn't dying, he isn't retiring.

Doesn't change the fact that he is getting $4 mil to take a vacation and think about where he wants to land.

He is no longer in a position to choose. He screwed the Bills, plain and simple. That out clause was placed in his contract in case there was a negative ownership change. The Pegula's could not be nicer owners, more willing to spend on their sports teams. The Bills took a chance on him coming out of a .500 record in a college program. He repaid them by quitting 2 years into the rebuild, using an out provided for a "worst case scenario" which did not exist. I don't dislike the Doug, just think he is not loyal. I believe he is getting what he deserves, a tarnished reputation.

 

[CuseOnly]

He is no longer in a position to choose. He screwed the Bills, plain and simple. That out clause was placed in his contract in case there was a negative ownership change. The Pegula's could not be nicer owners, more willing to spend on their sports teams. The Bills took a chance on him coming out of a .500 record in a college program. He repaid them by quitting 2 years into the rebuild, using an out provided for a "worst case scenario" which did not exist. I don't dislike the Doug, just think he is not loyal. I believe he is getting what he deserves, a tarnished reputation.

How do you know why the clause was put in there? It was his right to exercise it if he "chose" to do so. There was no guarantee that he was going to be retained after this year or next or any other year in his contract. Were you privy to the negotiations to retain him? No.

He is not in any position to choose? Really...there are still 2 NFL head coaching vacancies open along with several coordinator positions, jobs in TV, consulting coaching jobs, etc., etc.

How do you know what type of owners the Pegula's are, do you work for them? Just because someone is beloved by fans does not make them easy to work for or a great boss to work for. Did they keep the Sabres HC very long after they took over?

You should think about both sides and don't assume. All may not be as it seems on the outside, but you can paint him as a villain if you want to. Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Crusty]

How do you know why the clause was put in there? It was his right to exercise it if he "chose" to do so. There was no guarantee that he was going to be retained after this year or next or any other year in his contract. Were you privy to the negotiations to retain him? No.

He is not in any position to choose? Really...there are still 2 NFL head coaching vacancies open along with several coordinator positions, jobs in TV, consulting coaching jobs, etc., etc.

How do you know what type of owners the Pegula's are, do you work for them? Just because someone is beloved by fans does not make them easy to work for or a great boss to work for. Did they keep the Sabres HC very long after they took over?

You should think about both sides and don't assume. All may not be as it seems on the outside, but you can paint him as a villain if you want to. Whatever makes you feel better.

You should also think about both sides and the possibility that DM simply grabbed the $4 million and was intent on doing so regardless of what the Pegulas' offered. He had big conflicts with the GM and, as we know, Doug is tends to leave when he doesn't get his way.

I don't think one has to be a DM detractor to view this move a short-sighted one that appears to have backfired at least for the time being.

 

[ithacat]

Pegula kept Ruff for 2 years after buying the Sabres. A contract extension with a raise and a higher settlement base would have been the smart move. I'm guessing Pegula would have given him a couple of years to show what he could do. Even if things went south next year, the front office probably had more to lose than Doug in the short term. Pegula's biggest criticism with the Sabres seemed to have been staying too long with the front office he inherited, not Ruff.

 

[Zcuse]

How do you know why the clause was put in there? It was his right to exercise it if he "chose" to do so. There was no guarantee that he was going to be retained after this year or next or any other year in his contract. Were you privy to the negotiations to retain him? No.

He is not in any position to choose? Really...there are still 2 NFL head coaching vacancies open along with several coordinator positions, jobs in TV, consulting coaching jobs, etc., etc.

How do you know what type of owners the Pegula's are, do you work for them? Just because someone is beloved by fans does not make them easy to work for or a great boss to work for. Did they keep the Sabres HC very long after they took over?

You should think about both sides and don't assume. All may not be as it seems on the outside, but you can paint him as a villain if you want to. Whatever makes you feel better.

It has been reported that the clause was placed in for uncertainty that an ownership change represented. I read multiple articles on it when the news was leaking that Marrone's contract contained an out clause (which was conveniently leaked a few days before he used it, leaked by his agent Sexton). I don't have the time to dig up links.
As for the Sabres, that is exactly what I was referring to. He was VERY patient with the inherited regime. In addition to Pegula's patience, he also upgraded facilities, doubled the scouting organization, and provided everything he could to help build a winning culture. The only knock on Pegula was that he did not act fast enough on changing GMs. I also know people who work for the Pegula's, and they are known to be great people to work for.
I can promise you it does not make me "feel better" to call Marrone a villain. I am a diehard Bils fan, and 'Cuse fan. He took a bunch of 'Cuse assistants right in the recruiting cycle (if he needed those guys, they would have been available in Feb), and then left his job (that I say again the Bills brass stuck out their necks for him to get). I wish he did neither of those things, he did both.
I think Marrone is tarnished right now, and will not get either of those remaining head coach roles. If Marrone goes zero for 6 on head coach roles, you can't argue it any other way. I think he had a back door deal for the Jets role when he took advantage of the clause, and he got toxic and the jets bailed (that is my opinion based on timing of the leaks, the jets interview, and the stories that were breaking at the time). If you think his "choice" was to leave an nfl head coach role to be an OC or "consultant" you are delusional.

 

[CuseOnly]

It has been reported that the clause was placed in for uncertainty that an ownership change represented. I read multiple articles on it when the news was leaking that Marrone's contract contained an out clause (which was conveniently leaked a few days before he used it, leaked by his agent s e xton). I don't have the time to dig up links.
As for the Sabres, that is exactly what I was referring to. He was VERY patient with the inherited regime. In addition to Pegula's patience, he also upgraded facilities, doubled the scouting organization, and provided everything he could to help build a winning culture. The only knock on Pegula was that he did not act fast enough on changing GMs. I also know people who work for the Pegula's, and they are known to be great people to work for.
I can promise you it does not make me "feel better" to call Marrone a villain. I am a diehard Bils fan, and 'Cuse fan. He took a bunch of 'Cuse assistants right in the recruiting cycle (if he needed those guys, they would have been available in Feb), and then left his job (that I say again the Bills brass stuck out their necks for him to get). I wish he did neither of those things, he did both.
I think Marrone is tarnished right now, and will not get either of those remaining head coach roles. If Marrone goes zero for 6 on head coach roles, you can't argue it any other way. I think he had a back door deal for the Jets role when he took advantage of the clause, and he got toxic and the jets bailed (that is my opinion based on timing of the leaks, the jets interview, and the stories that were breaking at the time). If you think his "choice" was to leave an nfl head coach role to be an OC or "consultant" you are delusional.

I wouldn't consider giving a coach 2 years patience after you buy a team.

A jilted Bills fan...now I understand. You are looking at this scenario through Bills colored glasses and making a lot of suppositions and assumptions I might add.

Where did I say that Marrone specifically left the Bills to take a consulting job? Nobody in coaching is "toxic" if they can prove to build a winner from garbage and he can do that.

As far as taking assistants, when I take a new job I look to be successful in that role and do whatever it takes from a personnel standpoint. I rarely worry about the feelings of my previous job, especially when I know that I am not going back to that role. I would take the people I trusted, was comfortable with and knew that could do the job. Regardless of what fans or anyone else thought.

What makes you think that those guys wanted to stay after Marrone left? What makes you think those guys weren't already looking for jobs? Maybe Shafer was going to replace some of them regardless? He always promised his buddies that he would hire them if he got a HC gig.

Point is, you don't know anything for certain.

Secondly - He is not with SU any longer, he is also not with the Bills any longer. Move on.

Besides, you now have the tremendous coaching ability of Rex Ryan to look forward to. Get ready for 100 yards of total offense and losing scores of 7-3, 10-6, etc. I would take Marrone over that clown any day too, Good Luck.

 

[Crusty]

Where did I say that Marrone specifically left the Bills to take a consulting job? Nobody in coaching is "toxic" if they can prove to build a winner from garbage and he can do that.

Actually, he has not really proven he can build a sustained winner yet. Of course, he needs to stay someplace top prove that. He was .500 at SU (under .400 in conference play) and .469 in two seasons at Buffalo. A coach with that record, especially when it is widely believed that his defenses were usually better than his offenses, would have to have a huge ego to think that record was something that would stand above the achievements of all the other coaches vying for NFL HC jobs.

Cuse, you may think DM is a great coach, and someday he might prove you correct, but it is just not credible to think he exercised the change of control option (which is not uncommon in many other industries) without thinking he would land another NFL job. (Personally, I think he thought he was a lock for the Jets job.) With all his references from great NFL names, he failed to land one of 6 NFL jobs. It really appears that NFL owners have ignored all of his boosters and placed more weight on his negatives.

He screwed the pooch on this one.

 

[Dr. Bill]

Doug Marrone wanted some long term security from the Bills for him and his staff and wanted a contract extension, he did not get it. He could have continued to coach the Bills for the remaining two years on his contract and then be at the mercy of the new owner….or opt out with 4 million and try to land another job. I do not see how this was a bad move by Doug, even if he doesn't get another head coaching job in the NFL this year. He has interviewed for what…4 jobs…and Turned down a 5th…. That is a lot of opportunity my friends. It's his life…and to quote Frank Sinatra…He's doing it his way. The problem in the American work force is that management and ownership has all the power…it is refreshing to me to see a guy say..I am charting my own course. Some owner will take another chance on him in the future….If not, he will create his own "Dream Scenario."

 

[rrlbees]

Doug Marrone wanted some long term security from the Bills for him and his staff and wanted a contract extension, he did not get it.

Yes he did.

 

[samspann1]

This was all part of Marrone's master plan - all along, he was angling for the Ravens OC job. With his well-deserved reputation as an offensive wizard, he's a shoo-in to replace Kubiak.

 

[Chip]

Yes he did.

No matter how many times you say it, Dr Bill ain't buyin' it.

 

[MadNY3]

This was all part of Marrone's master plan - all along, he was angling for the Ravens OC job. With his well-deserved reputation as an offensive wizard, he's a shoo-in to replace Kubiak.

They might share the same agent. Jimmy S represents Marrone, Rex, Jim Harbaugh...maybe John, too. That wouldn't hurt.

 

[WalnutPark]

Mike Reiss from today's notes section on ESPN with a different type of Marrone take...

7., With longtime Patriots assistant Pepper Johnson hitching his wagon to Doug Marrone in Buffalo last season in hopes of raising his profile to advance toward a defensive coordinator job, he ultimately was burned when Marrone acted on an opt-out clause in his contract that allowed him to walk away with $4 million. One trickle-down effect of Marrone’s opt-out is that it puts almost all his assistants and their families in limbo. This reminded me of something Patriots president Jonathan Kraft said about Bill Belichick on 98.5 The Sports Hub in his weekly pregame interview from Dec. 28. Kraft was talking about how Belichick values stability, knowing that any move he makes affects so many others who are assistants on his staff. "You’re moving your family around all the time and I think he remembers what that’s like," Kraft said, seemingly referring to how being part of Bill Parcells’ staffs shaped Belichick’s viewpoint.

 

[Crusty]

No matter how many times you say it, Dr Bill ain't buyin' it.

Is Dr. Bill related to Mr. Bill?