Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[dasher]

Wouldn't it behoove him to play a year at receiver or TE and THEN try the draft?

You want McCord to play Tight End?

 

[orangefog]

You want McCord to play Tight End?

That was in response to the DJU going to the draft posts.

 

[dasher]

That was in response to the DJU going to the draft posts.

I know. I was joking.

 

[Dadarules]

Okay. I'll go with that. LOL At this time, I will take any sign. Also, sorry to say, like in sales, No is the second best answer. Maybe is the killer. It freezes us.

When I was much younger working at Pyramid Jim Tuozollo told me, "You'd rather have a no than fool yourself with a maybe because the most valuable thing you have is time."

 

[Ragman2000]

I've already talked myself into McCord year 2 and have adequately set myself up for disappointment when reality hits.

 

[Jake]

I know. I was joking.

Your humor here is like sending Steven Wright on stage at a Gallagher show.

It’s a Mellon smashing crowd.

 

[rrlbees]

I’ll stick with what JW said Friday night.

They are doing everything they can to make it happen but they know there’s only a small chance.

I’ll take a small chance over no chance.

 

[Cusefannotindc]

congrats saskatchewan roughriders

 

[djorange1989]

congrats saskatchewan roughriders

Or Jets starting QB

 

[djorange1989]

Your humor here is like sending Steven Wright on stage at a Gallagher show.

It’s a Mellon smashing crowd.

I was thinking Carrot Top or Rip Taylor crowd, but Gallagher works

 

[dasher]

I was thinking Carrot Top or Rip Taylor crowd, but Gallagher works

Hey now?

 

[OttosShoes]

Y'kno, as small as the chance of "Season 2" is, I think it's better odds than we would've expected for "Season 1" a year ago. Almost to the day.

 

[BillSU]

What does that mean? Sure he did? You think I'm making it up?

dasher- it was a bad joke - I think you are a great poster here and I admire how much information you acquire and share daily.

 

[dasher]

dasher- it was a bad joke - I think you are a great poster here and I admire how much information you acquire and share daily.

Okay. I like you. I couldn't figure out why you said that.

 

[tep624]

I'm calling it right now, Kyle is coming back. No inside information (I never have inside information), just a feeling.

I base my feeling on the belief that the NIL damages argument is a solid one, given Kyle's high profile imo, and the belief that Kyle will choose to return if allowed the opportunity.

I think he has a strong case to sue the NCAA if he doesn't get the waiver.

 

[JRHEETER]

Okay. I like you. I couldn't figure out why you said that.

I actually was shocked by all the posters on here to make that comment that it was them.

Makes much more sense now

 

[tep624]

Just want to confirm, the success of Kyle's appeal hinges not only on the NCAA ignoring the plain language of the governing statutes/regulations, but also ignoring years of precedent interpreting the statutes/regulations?

Well NIL hasn't existed for years and you have a case here of a NIL earning athlete that had a year of earning potential taken from him by a coach's decision - McCord wasn't in a position to challenge that as a person subordinate to the coach. He may or may not get the waiver, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as saying there are years of precedent. There are not years of precedent with a significant NIL earning athlete under these circumstances. There’s basically one other case and the subject chose not to sue over it.

 

[David321]

Well NIL hasn't existed for years and you have a case here of a NIL earning athlete that had a year of earning potential taken from him by a coach's decision - McCord wasn't in a position to challenge that as a person subordinate to the coach. He may or may not get the waiver, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as saying there are years of precedent. There are not years of precedent with a significant NIL earning athlete under these circumstances.

Out of all the things that people have been awarded large sums of money for in various civil trials, it boggles my mind that people think this is some type of outrageous argument.

Or that there is iron clad case law that has already solved this relatively new issue.

 

[kcsu]

I'm sure the request of the waiver is based solely on Ohio State agreeing that in hindsight given today's NIL environment that they would have preserved Kyle's eligibility. In reviewing the current rules, applying them to Kyle its the only path I can come up that would provide him with a potential path to a fifth year.

 

[tep624]

Out of all the things that people have been awarded large sums of money for in various civil trials, it boggles my mind that people think this is some type of outrageous argument.

Or that there is iron clad case law that has already solved this relatively new issue.

It isn’t outrageous. The only other comparable case was Taulia Tagliavoa and I’m still surprised he didn’t sue over it.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Well NIL hasn't existed for years and you have a case here of a NIL earning athlete that had a year of earning potential taken from him by a coach's decision - McCord wasn't in a position to challenge that as a person subordinate to the coach. He may or may not get the waiver, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as saying there are years of precedent. There are not years of precedent with a significant NIL earning athlete under these circumstances.

This is actually a very good point. I’m no lawyer, and didn’t stay anywhere near a HIE, but the NCAA could theoretically be sued for damages, maybe even OSU for blowing his redshirt. He lost a year of big time earnings for sure, whether or not the incident happened before the doors of the NIL age swung wide open. This decision could impact a lot more than just Kyle. The argument could be had Kyle been in the NIL Age while at OSU, he would have been able to make the decision to leave before he blew one of those seasons. He had no idea that staying there and buying Day’s BS would cost him a lot of $$$. You know darn well he would have played his cards differently under today’s rules.

I think he really could get the extra season, and a lot of other players might too. Just as the NCAA allowed the COVID players to stay around an extra year or two, they could say players who were enrolled and straddled the pre and post NIL year could get a waiver based on X, Y or Z. It would save the NCAA a lot of potential litigation headaches. You just know there is a player with a lawyer out there who will end up challenging the NCAA. Might as well be Kyle.

 

[David321]

It isn’t outrageous. The only other comparable case was Taulia Tagliavoa and I’m still surprised he didn’t sue over it.

I've heard this example being used a couple of times. I'm not familiar with him (I mainly follow the ACC). How similar was his case to McCord though? NIL wise I mean.

 

[DownTheField]

Out of all the things that people have been awarded large sums of money for in various civil trials, it boggles my mind that people think this is some type of outrageous argument.

Or that there is iron clad case law that has already solved this relatively new issue.

I would obviously love to have McCord for another year but what exactly would these hypothetical damages be awarded for?

 

[David321]

I would obviously love to have McCord for another year but what exactly would these hypothetical damages be awarded for?

He would make over a million dollars (again) if he returns next season. He can't though because Ryan Day burned a year of his eligibility for 8 passes in his fifth game of 2021 I believe it was.

By any reasonable man's standard, that is slam dunk, seven figure NIL damages.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

He would make over a million dollars (again) if he returns next season. He can't though because Ryan Day burned a year of his eligibility for 8 passes in his fifth game of 2021 I believe it was.

By any reasonable man's standard, that is slam dunk, seven figure NIL damages.

So he deserves another year of eligibility because it turns out he’s good at football and can get paid by donors and a dumby coach played him too much when he was less good?

He should apply for an extra year next year too. He threw even less passes as a sophomore.

Some of you have a staggering ability to completely delude yourselves intellectually. 5 is not 4.

Let’s be honest- if Kyle gets another year it’s because the NCAA is a full blown kangaroo court and just doesn’t have an interest in regulating anything anymore.

I hope it happens. He was great this year.