Lane Kiffin: "Free agency has been created in College Football"

[orangepassion]

Kiffin: "Make no mistake, we have free agency in college football"

The parameters may be different than professional sports, but Lane Kiffin is convinced free agency has arrived in college football.

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[HRE Otto IV]

They should compromise and make the scholarships 2 years, otherwise you need to sit out a year. So when you commit you have to stay 2 years. If you leave after 1 year then you sit out a year. After 2 years you can either re-up for another 2 years or leave. If you leave after year 3 then you sit out a year. After 4 years if you have eligibility left you can re-up or leave. So there are 2 open windows to transfer freely. Having no commitment is chaos.

Also I doubt it every happens but if a kid leaves the team mid season, he should owe the school the cost of the scholarship. Why should a school have to pay the full tuition if you do not hold up your end of the bargin and play the full season?

 

[corpjet]

He looked a bit scared and timid to utter those words not looking directly at the media (afraid of backlash?) but what he said I'm afraid is the truth.

If he thinks Ole Miss has it bad in the middle of the SEC and die hard college football fans what do programs like us have to look forward to?

Scary times as we are now burdened with the haves and have nots and unfortunately we are the latter.

 

[PhatOrange]

They should compromise and make the scholarships 2 years, otherwise you need to sit out a year. So when you commit you have to stay 2 years. If you leave after 1 year then you sit out a year. After 2 years you can either re-up for another 2 years or leave. If you leave after year 3 then you sit out a year. After 4 years if you have eligibility left you can re-up or leave. So there are 2 open windows to transfer freely. Having no commitment is chaos.

Also I doubt it every happens but if a kid leaves the team mid season, he should owe the school the cost of the scholarship. Why should a school have to pay the full tuition if you do not hold up your end of the bargin and play the full season?

yep, you could fiddle with it, whether it's 2 years or 3. Keep the scholarship guaranteed when you sign and enroll but stipulate you have to stay 2 years. Leave after one year must sit out. Leave after 2 years you get one freebie and then must sit out any transfer after that.

At least coaches are bound by a contract. Yes they can leave after any amount of time but somebody will have to pay big money to make that happen. What is going on right now is ridiculous, Syracuse is up to 15 scholarship players. And all this will do is create a wider gap between the haves and have nots.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

yep, you could fiddle with it, whether it's 2 years or 3. Keep the scholarship guaranteed when you sign and enroll but stipulate you have to stay 2 years. Leave after one year must sit out. Leave after 2 years you get one freebie and then must sit out any transfer after that.

At least coaches are bound by a contract. Yes they can leave after any amount of time but somebody will have to pay big money to make that happen. What is going on right now is ridiculous, Syracuse is up to 15 scholarship players. And all this will do is create a wider gap between the haves and have nots.

It's a joke and they need to fix it pretty quickly

 

[oldpinepoint]

yep, you could fiddle with it, whether it's 2 years or 3. Keep the scholarship guaranteed when you sign and enroll but stipulate you have to stay 2 years. Leave after one year must sit out. Leave after 2 years you get one freebie and then must sit out any transfer after that.

At least coaches are bound by a contract. Yes they can leave after any amount of time but somebody will have to pay big money to make that happen. What is going on right now is ridiculous, Syracuse is up to 15 scholarship players. And all this will do is create a wider gap between the haves and have nots.

Worst part is most of those 15 players will end up with nowhere to go

 

[Chip]

It's a joke and they need to fix it pretty quickly

They'll have no choice if a bunch of previously scholarshipped (I just made that word up) kids end up with no scholarship to play somewhere when the music ends.

They can then step in and say hey we gave everyone the freedom to do what they wanted and it blew up in too many faces.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

yep, you could fiddle with it, whether it's 2 years or 3. Keep the scholarship guaranteed when you sign and enroll but stipulate you have to stay 2 years. Leave after one year must sit out. Leave after 2 years you get one freebie and then must sit out any transfer after that.

At least coaches are bound by a contract. Yes they can leave after any amount of time but somebody will have to pay big money to make that happen. What is going on right now is ridiculous, Syracuse is up to 15 scholarship players. And all this will do is create a wider gap between the haves and have nots.

The schools and kids should commit to an associates degree. Then they should commit to a bachelors degree. Then they should agree to a masters degree. If you have the associates you are free to transfer. If you have the bachelors you are free to transfer. Otherwise you need to sit out a year or go FCS. This is all about academics after all.

 

[elimunelson]

They'll have no choice if a bunch of previously scholarshipped (I just made that word up) kids end up with no scholarship to play somewhere when the music ends.

They can then step in and say hey we gave everyone the freedom to do what they wanted and it blew up in too many faces.

it's farcical and the only solution will be congressional intervention. It won't be the best case scenario but college sports are going to force their hand. It'll take southern/red schools getting hurt in this process. the northern/blue schools won't care enough to force their elected officals hands

 

[PhatOrange]

it's farcical and the only solution will be congressional intervention. It won't be the best case scenario but college sports are going to force their hand. It'll take southern/red schools getting hurt in this process. the northern/blue schools won't care enough to force their elected officals hands

When you say northern blue schools I think that only includes New York and Massachusetts/New England. Everyone else actually cares about sports.

 

[TheCusian]

What's the definitive case that it's bad again?

 

[BrooklynCuse]

When you say northern blue schools I think that only includes New York and Massachusetts/New England. Everyone else actually cares about sports.

I’d probably add New Jersey to that list. Maryland, Illinois? Talking college sports

 

[PhatOrange]

I’d probably add New Jersey to that list. Maryland, Illinois? Talking college sports

Maryland Illinois north western and Rutgers all spend a ton of money on sports teams and their football programs

 

[Xanadu]

One of two things must happen to move forward

1. No transfer or elective sitting out mid-season without having to repay the scholarship. As was said before, the school and player agree to the completion of a degree and then renewal or transfer on the next.

2. Sports be pulled from academics. Make the sports semi-pro, scholarship to attend class can be a provision or paying the player a salary that is the average tuition cost of all schools. Schools can opt in or say to hell with it all.

The fact that this is where we have gotten to is stupid. It’s not about getting an education anymore, so just nuke the whole thing and let the concept of “college” sports did.

 

[texascpa]

It's a joke and they need to fix it pretty quickly

Why should football and basketball be required to have restrictions on transfers when no other sport does (actually there are two others, but I don't recall which they are)? Academic students aren't required to "sit out a year" or have their transferability restricted. Why do we treat athletes differently?

 

[Scooch]

What's the definitive case that it's bad again?

It all depends on one's perspective, of course. I'm 100% for empowering athletes. At the same time, this is no way to run a railroad, as they say. We can't accept that college football and hoops are businesses, and then punt on enacting any semblance of rules that make the product entertaining to the consumer.

This kind of chaos is precisely what happens when a sport lacks strong, centralized leadership. The NCAA has been defanged and essentially given up on administering college sports. The conferences aren't wired to cooperate in any meaningful way. So this is what we get... a mess.

 

[texascpa]

It all depends on one's perspective, of course. I'm 100% for empowering athletes. At the same time, this is no way to run a railroad,as they say.

This kind of chaos is precisely what happens when a sport lacks strong, centralized leadership. The NCAA has been defanged and essentially given up on administering college sports. The conferences aren't wired to cooperate in any meaningful way. So this is what we get... a mess.

And when they weren't defanged, we were still bitching. NCAA is in a lose-lose position.

I also don't see how this is a mess. You have adults, young though they may be, making decisions on what they believe is best for themselves. I'm all for that.

 

[gmoney44]

I’m about done with college football and basketball. Which is a shame because they were far and away my favorite sports to follow. The direction both sports have taken the last 5 to 10 years coupled with SU’s inability to compete have just soured me.

 

[Scooch]

And when they weren't defanged, we were still bitching. NCAA is in a lose-lose position.

I agree. No one likes strong, centralized leadership... until there isn't any.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

One of two things must happen to move forward

1. No transfer or elective sitting out mid-season without having to repay the scholarship. As was said before, the school and player agree to the completion of a degree and then renewal or transfer on the next.

2. Sports be pulled from academics. Make the sports semi-pro, scholarship to attend class can be a provision or paying the player a salary that is the average tuition cost of all schools. Schools can opt in or say to hell with it all.

The fact that this is where we have gotten to is stupid. It’s not about getting an education anymore, so just nuke the whole thing and let the concept of “college” sports did.

I would be fine with colleges having sporting clubs like in Europe. No classes required. They can go to the university if they want but have to pay tuition. Otherwise they are semi pro. They sign a contract 1-5 years and get paid. If they leave for another school or the pros, the school needs to be bought out. They get money for developing the play to that point, like in soccer.

If you move all sports though, no more Title IX. You will see women's sports cut. Unless they go a hybrid model. Scholarship sports and Club sports (which is really just FB and Men's BBall). The scholarship sports would still fall under the NCAA. Club sports would not. Also the conferences shouldn't exist for the NCAA sports. Just keep it local for who you play. No sense in SU traveling to Florida for games in non revenue sports.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Why should football and basketball be required to have restrictions on transfers when no other sport does (actually there are two others, but I don't recall which they are)? Academic students aren't required to "sit out a year" or have their transferability restricted. Why do we treat athletes differently?

They aren't sitting out a year academically just athletically. Not apples to apples.

 

[texascpa]

They aren't sitting out a year academically just athletically. Not apples to apples.

Up until this year, only football, men's and women's basketball, and I think baseball and men's hockey had to abide by a year sit-out. No other sport. Why?

 

[texascpa]

I agree. No one likes strong, centralized leadership... until there isn't any.

Personally, I don't like strong, centralized leadership. I prefer localized leadership. That's just me, though.

 

[djcon57]

They should compromise and make the scholarships 2 years, otherwise you need to sit out a year. So when you commit you have to stay 2 years. If you leave after 1 year then you sit out a year. After 2 years you can either re-up for another 2 years or leave. If you leave after year 3 then you sit out a year. After 4 years if you have eligibility left you can re-up or leave. So there are 2 open windows to transfer freely. Having no commitment is chaos.

Also I doubt it every happens but if a kid leaves the team mid season, he should owe the school the cost of the scholarship. Why should a school have to pay the full tuition if you do not hold up your end of the bargin and play the full season?

who’s “they” in the first sentence and who can mandate this?

 

[Ozcuse]

Personally, I don't like strong, centralized leadership. I prefer localized leadership. That's just me, though.

That's not a system that works for college athletics if there is to be any "semblance" of fair competition.