Late, Quick SU-FSU thoughts

[RMH44]

Tommy DeVito

If Devito is 6'2" then Dungey is 6'6". I'm not sure either are as tall as listed but if TD is 6 feet he's lucky.

 

[721Comstock]

If Devito is 6'2" then Dungey is 6'6". I'm not sure either are as tall as listed but if TD is 6 feet he's lucky.

They must have had Jon Rothstein measure him.

Hey - I'm only passing on what's listed on Cuse.com, ESPN, etc.

I totally agree - Dungey looks like he's at LEAST 3" taller, and like 30 lbs heavier.

 

[Digable5]

I totally agree - Dungey looks like he's at LEAST 3" taller, and like 30 lbs heavier.

Darker colors are slimming. Therefore, Dungey's pasty pale skin makes him look huge compared to the olive ("New Jersey tan") skinned Devito.

 

[Walshjfii]

Devito is bigger (6'2", 212) and faster as a FS-Frosh, than Wake's John Wolford (6'1", 200) was as a Senior.

Were you afraid for Wolford last year, when he ran amok against us?

PS - Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 212. Worried about him?

Nope, I don't waste my time worrying about if another teams players are going to fumble the ball. Ill leave that up to you. If you can tear yourself away from Wake and LOU and watch the Syracuse game you will see the play I am talking about. The fact that he did in fact cough up the ball a little bit later is something to worry about. Fortunately he crossed the goal line before the ball came out.

 

[kcsu]

Devito is 5 11

 

[newmexicuse]

Nice post, but to make one thing clear, FSU has a terrible O-Line.

As a result it is hard to make conclusions about our D-Line other than to say they took advantage of opponent's weakness and did exactly what was necessary in this particular game.

We may not really know about the D-Line for several weeks. I would expect them to dominate UConn, struggle against Clemson, and then get some more accurate measuring stick games thereafter.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Devito is 5 11

Hes probably the same exact height Brees is. (Likely same speed too as Brees at Purdue.)

Also has played tough and put his head down even if he might not be the best RB on the team like Dungey he can move the chains with his legs. So of course people will be complaining that he plays too 'recklessly' when he becomes the full time starter no matter what.

 

[RandomGuy]

Out of curiosity...is it because the OL zone blocks and doesn't work on the drive block as much, part of the reason they struggle so much in that jumbo package which I also am not a fan of whatsoever?

When they are in zone, they are blocking laterally. Appeared to be zone, in that package. I saw D.Davis, from the TE position, drive blocking, so I have to think the TE's jobs are to get to the LB level, to keep them from filling any created gaps(from the zone blocking).

Zone blocking often favors smaller, faster linemen. Man - bigger, stronger. We have bigger, and faster, so there is a legitimate argument, as to what scheme works best, in that situation. I, personally, prefer a man scheme, when in close.

On an RPO block, linemen may be taught to pull their feet back under them, to make room for the RB(if he's coming), AND to keep them from being 3 yards down field. We got a few of those Saturday. Martin getting one, didn't surprise me, in the least. If he came from a man scheme, it's difficult to surrender the advantage you've gained on your block, in the event it's a pass.

I love the heavy set. I think it could be more effective with mixing up man/zone, and I know my preference. However, there is an effective argument from the zone camp. Hope to see both, in the future.

 

[RandomGuy]

Anyone notice that Heckel was rotating at both guard positions? Noticed in Q1, and Q4. AFAIK, Babers and Cavanaugh are not fans of rotating linemen. They value cohesion first. Good to see that, not only do we have depth that are equals, but we have depth with cohesion.

 

[Chip]

I love Cisco. He almost had an interception along the sideline early in the first. Really the only reason it wasn’t is because the pass was badly thrown. If it was on target to the receiver Cisco would have had an easy pick. We all know and love him here but I think he is going to be the one to announce himself to the nation when we play Clemson.

Cisco also made a really nice solo tackle on a counter run to stop it for minimal gain. If he wasn't there, no one was, and Akers isn't easy to catch from behind.

 

[SmilinBob]

When they are in zone, they are blocking laterally. Appeared to be zone, in that package. I saw D.Davis, from the TE position, drive blocking, so I have to think the TE's jobs are to get to the LB level, to keep them from filling any created gaps(from the zone blocking).

Zone blocking often favors smaller, faster linemen. Man - bigger, stronger. We have bigger, and faster, so there is a legitimate argument, as to what scheme works best, in that situation. I, personally, prefer a man scheme, when in close.

On an RPO block, linemen may be taught to pull their feet back under them, to make room for the RB(if he's coming), AND to keep them from being 3 yards down field. We got a few of those Saturday. Martin getting one, didn't surprise me, in the least. If he came from a man scheme, it's difficult to surrender the advantage you've gained on your block, in the event it's a pass.

I love the heavy set. I think it could be more effective with mixing up man/zone, and I know my preference. However, there is an effective argument from the zone camp. Hope to see both, in the future.

Thanks. So would it advantageous to sub on the OLine as well when going to this jumbo package? Bigger beefier linemen that may be better at drive blocking?

 

[RandomGuy]

Thanks. So would it advantageous to sub on the OLine as well when going to this jumbo package? Bigger beefier linemen that may be better at drive blocking?

They already have the beef in. Heckel and D.Davis are lining up at TE for more. Mostly, I notice a lateral first step from the interior guys (Zone). The goal is to create seams from the lateral movement, not to just drive the D backwards.

 

[upperdeck]

yeah we dont drive on the goal line, we often just shed block and slide. the backs need to attack more in that style since there wont be clean holes most of the time. it doesnt work with aggressive MLB like that FSU kid..

 

[RandomGuy]

yeah we dont drive on the goal line, we often just shed block and slide. the backs need to attack more in that style since there wont be clean holes most of the time. it doesnt work with aggressive MLB like that FSU kid..

My thoughts, as well. If the Def can clog the gaps, they have a chance. My preference would be man, with an Elmore coming through, to get that push. Straight up smashmouth, when it counts.

On the other hand, Howard stated that one of his goals was to only make 1 cut. My guess is that he came from a man scheme(designated hole), to a zone. Dancing around can reduce the effectiveness of a ZBS. He's doing that well, and hitting the hole hard. If he continues that, and improves reading the line, he looks like he may become a very effective, ZBS running back.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Hes probably the same exact height Brees is. (Likely same speed too as Brees at Purdue.)

Also has played tough and put his head down even if he might not be the best RB on the team like Dungey he can move the chains with his legs. So of course people will be complaining that he plays too 'recklessly' when he becomes the full time starter no matter what.

I don't think we'll call him reckless.

 

[SmilinBob]

They already have the beef in. Heckel and D.Davis are lining up at TE for more. Mostly, I notice a lateral first step from the interior guys (Zone). The goal is to create seams from the lateral movement, not to just drive the D backwards.

Interesting. I'm still not sold on it RG, especially since the RB's are always going inside and the qb is bootleg.
I just don't see the holes/drive from the OL in that situation unless the RB is missing it. Too much humanity in there imo.

 

[RandomGuy]

I prefer power/man blocking in those situations,as well, but I'm old school. Shannahans Broncos were masters of the zone blocking..loved that, though.

Seems like D's are clogging the zone. Too much humanity. Love to see some Man, to keep em honest. Most Def linemen I know prefer playing against Zone. Another reason I prefer it. Still no wrong answers, though. I'll be curious if Howard's style makes the ZBS more effective.