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Late St. Francis Thoughts

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St. Francis is a short but athletic team. Everybody on their A team (like us, their starting line up is different than their finishing line up) is between 6'2 and 6'6. St. Francis's calling card is an in your face defense that cuts off passing lanes (think Villanova), and their coach (a former St. John's assistant) is very familiar with our zone.

They have shown this year (with an upset of Miami) and in past years, that they have a style that can produce early season upsets, but I had an idea going into the game that their high pressure D might be easier for Syracuse's young guys to handle than zone's have been. This was, of course, not the case.

Syracuse's offensive struggles came from a lack of movement. Looking on this board after the game, I saw some people attributing this lack of movement to a lack of effort which is wrong (you don't put up the the record Syracuse has over the past five years including being as close to perfect against non-conference opponents as any program in the country, without putting forth the necessary effort). Syracuse's lack of movement came from being confused as to what to do.

St. Francis is smaller and quicker than Syracuse and used that quickness to overplay passing lanes with the idea that they could stifle ball movement and force Syracuse into well covered (bad) shots. It worked. Against a defense like this some level of misdirection is necessary. The ball handler (in this game almost always Ennis) has to beat his man off the dribble with an eye towards forcing specific defensive rotations that will open things up. This is easy to say but hard to do, especially when there's a defender in your face actively trying to take the ball and you have never been asked to do it before.

Remember, Syracuse only had ONE day to prepare for St. Francis after playing all season against less athletic more passive teams, and that lack of preparation looked like it played a big role in the game. All the athleticism and heart in the world means nothing if you don't know where you should be running. Syracuse was too stationary because they are still learning how to attack these kinds of teams, and their primary ball handler was the most confused of all, so the guy that could have made everybody else look better, instead made everybody else look worse.

There was also a lot of talk on this board about how Syracuse's lack of game experience is hurting them. And that seems, to me, like the correct thing to take from this game.

Syracuse's defense was far more upsetting than their offense. St. Francis (like the VAST majority of teams we will play this year) slowed the game down and tried to limit possessions, usually a losing proposition against Syracuse that involves turning down some okay shots in favor of worse shots later in the shot clock. In this game, St. Francis was able to run the clock down AND get good shots - including at least 5 lay ups with the clock running down - the ultimate basketball sin.

Boeheim was clearly groping for defensive continuity in the second half. That is why he sat Coleman. That is why he sat Ennis for a huge stretch. The problem was, nothing worked.

Syracuse's D was spread by a team of guards, leaving our center alone to guard a quicker 6'6 post player, and all three of our center's got abused in turns (with the exception of Keita seeming to figure out what he needed to do just before fouling out).

Everything I've said so far has been negative, and lets not kid ourselves, Syracuse is not as good as they need to be right now (I'm expecting at least one loss in Maui). However, the story is not all negative.

Here are some of the positives I saw:

Ennis had a terrible game but his problems were 100% mental, against close to major D1 competition he was not psychically outmatched in any way, in fact one of his problems was that he blew by his man only to miss the lay up on three different occasions. You have to think the mental stuff will be worked out.

Gbinije seemed fully competent against pressure (which quite frankly surprised me in a good way), like Ennis, his biggest problem was missing good shots when he got them.

Keita, Christmas, and Coleman as a unit have produced offensively and on the boards 100% of the time the opposition has played man D against us.

I have said before that I am of the belief that good teams generally perform at a high level early and continue to improve, and when you don't perform well early you put yourself in a hole that is hard to climb out of. We have seen enough from Syracuse to know they are obviously not performing at a high level right now. Yet, most of the individual attributes I look to as an indication of future success are actually coming along quite nicely.

Going into the year I though Cooney would be the player whose performance our season could swing on, and he looks great so far.

Ennis looks more than capable of handling the job (Syracuse has a long history of freshmen guards who actually play better in conference against better opposition than they do out of conference, because it takes a while to learn everything you need to know to lead a team) I think Ennis's season will unfold this way.

The big guys look improved from last year.

Fair and Grant are Fair and Grant.

Gbinije seems to be a solid contributor, giving us a strong bench all around.

In short, Syracuse seems to have all the pieces necessary to succeed in the ACC, yet their performances have been poor. I'm not quite sure how to feel about this. Would I feel better if, say, Syracuse was beating these cream puffs by 40 but showing holes that might burn them later in the year (like Ennis not being able to handle the ball against pressure, or Cooney not being able to shoot)? I'd like to hear other people's opinions on this issue.

One thing I will say, Syracuse has a week off, and plenty of good tape to dissect. Will a week be enough to correct everything that is wrong? Probably not, but it could go a lot of the way towards a solution. I can't forget last years game against Temple. It might have been the single worst defensive performance I have ever seen from a Syracuse team, yet last year's team was probably the best defensive team Syracuse has ever had by March. Things change.

Here are some player breakdowns:

Ennis - Played terrible. He did not understand the level of activity it takes to beat a defense like that. I have every hope he will learn from this lesson, and I see no physical attribute or skill stopping him from doing so.

Cooney - Had a fantastic game. Of all the players on the team, Cooney was the only one who seemed to have a set plan of attack. He stayed patient and found some openings to shoot despite being blanketed by St. Francis guards, and when he could not shoot he went hard to the basket with great results (two lay ups, one lay up that rolled around and fell out but was tipped back in by Coleman - and two times where we was all but tackled and for some reason did not get the call, but will get the call 99% of the time going forward). I also want to point out that Cooney had maybe the most important play of the game. A steal late, where he read the passers eye and moved out of his area (into Ennis's) to intercept the pass and get fouled. Syracuse was down four at the time. If St. Francis had scored and gone up by six they win that game. Instead Cooney hit a free throw and cut the lead to three. Cooney was subbed out defensively a few times down the stretch but this is no knock on his defense which is excellent. Boeheim did this to get Gbinije's length in the game, and he took out Cooney instead of Ennis (who is not as good) because he did not want to be stuck in a situation where St. Francis was pressing and our only point guard was on the bench.

Fair - His shot just wasn't falling. He missed a couple lay ups he never misses on top of his long range shot being off (which is going to happen sometimes). Fair is better when he catches the ball closer to the basket. If you remember last year, Fair went through some early season struggles because he was setting up too far away from the basket. The problem this year is Grant is going to operate most of the time where Fair wants to be, so Fair is going to have to be a little more efficient from further away. This was his only bad game, so, I dont think there is much to worry about long term here.

Christmas - Had some defensive lapses (he was not alone) and didn't get a chance to shine much offensively. Overall it was not a great game for Christmas, but he did man the middle admirably when Keita fouled out and we needed to close the game out strong to win.

Coleman - Apparently he likes pressure D. Who knew? He was handling the ball with confidence on the perimeter, and blew by his defender once for a lay up. If he can hit that mid range shot (big if, that's the toughest shot in basketball) he may be really good for us in the high post. He was also a beast on the boards, as he has been all season. Many people are wondering why he was pulled in the second half. Its because he made a glaring defensive error allowing a lay up late in the shot clock. In hind sight, Keita and Christmas made mistakes too, but when the game is that close Boeheim needs to go with the players he trusts most. Coleman has not earned that trust yet, but this game was a step in the right direction.

Gbinije - Had a good game. Attacked the basket with some aggression, and missed a couple, but made a couple too. Handled the pressure well and played some good D.

Grant - Was the hero of the game, no doubt. Yes, he hit two free throws to ice it, which we all like to see. But more importantly he got an offensive rebound and put back to tie the game late, and even more importantly than that he stole the ball and lead a fast break that gave us the lead on the very next play. Besides three of the four most important plays in the game, Grant also had one of the most impressive blocks you are ever going to see, coming from nowhere to reject an open lay up. Honestly, except for the fact that this game was against St. Francis, it might have been the best defensive game I have ever seen from a forward. I think Grant has a chance to become one of our best defensive forwards ever by the time he is done (at least on par with Billy Owens, who it would be almost impossible to outright top). If I had a complaint it would be that I wish more of the offense went through him.

Keita - Normally Keita is amazing against these small quick teams, but he just did not seem to have it today. By the time he figured out what he needed to do, he had fouled out. On the plus side he looked dead eye from the free throw line when it counted.

Nobody else played in this game which tells you a lot about our rotation at the moment. Only Roberson has a legit shot to change things.
 
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Great post! I disagree slightly on the intensity thing. My memory is we started the game with some fire, got up 8 w about 8 mins gone in the game, gbinje missed a layup that would have out us up ten and then to me we just went very flat for a long time after that. But as you say, it may not have been a lack of intensity as I perceived, it may be that we were surprised at how effective SFs pressure defense was. You are probably correct just not sure why we got up 8 early as easily as we did...
 
Great post! I disagree slightly on the intensity thing. My memory is we started the game with some fire, got up 8 w about 8 mins gone in the game, gbinje missed a layup that would have out us up ten and then to me we just went very flat for a long time after that. But as you say, it may not have been a lack of intensity as I perceived, it may be that we were surprised at how effective SFs pressure defense was. You are probably correct just not sure why we got up 8 early as easily as we did...

We got up 8 early because Coleman was cleaning up just about every missed shot. Also, it took them a while to attack our zone inside.
 
Thanks man!

I am also kind of in the middle wondering what to think. I have confidence we will get much better but I'm beginning to wonder if we will have a much bumpier road than I expected early on. It was one o those games where if guys made shots we win comfortably even with the other issues. We did not however shoot the ball well. When that happens you have to go to the hoop against a team like that and Cooney was able to because they didn't want him to shoot. Ennis beat his man plenty of times but didn't get much of anything accomplished. Grant was given the jumper which made driving harder although he still did at times. CJ had an off night and I wonder if he should go to the rim hard and fast a bit more often when he beats his man.

Defense was just bad IMO. Yes we had to guard the outside which left our big guys stranded 1on1 with a more maneuverable post player but that was just part of it. Our bigs did a very bad job denying good position while everyone else did a poor job hassling the passers, cutting off the prime passing angles and especially letting guys cut where ever they wanted to late in the shot clock. Like you said Baye just started to get it late and then Rak was finally good after Baye fouled out. Also We helped down a couple times when the ball was entered into the post which was difficult because the shooters where purposely spreading the wings.

All in all I think we get better at the rate that Ennis improves. He's key to the offense but since he will play a lot he is key to the defense as well.
 
Great post! I disagree slightly on the intensity thing. My memory is we started the game with some fire, got up 8 w about 8 mins gone in the game, gbinje missed a layup that would have out us up ten and then to me we just went very flat for a long time after that. But as you say, it may not have been a lack of intensity as I perceived, it may be that we were surprised at how effective SFs pressure defense was. You are probably correct just not sure why we got up 8 early as easily as we did...

If you remember, Coleman scored our first 5 points, and 7 of our first 14, basically from offensive rebounds. That is not sustainable over a long stretch. Also Ennis had a steal leading to a fast break basket, again not sustainable offense. Also, Fair made his only jumper during this stretch, and he failed to make another one the rest of the game.

Basically Syracuse took the lead with things that happened outside of half court set plays (with the exception of a Fair jump shot which he stopped making). They were not really beating St. Francis's D.

Like you, I thought Syracuse had a chance to put the game away, but they missed a few opportunities (missed free throws, missed lay up in particular) and St. Francis figured out they best way to attack our zone during that stretch. After that the game fell in their favor.
 
Wonderful breakdown g20. I am somewhat bamboozled by the lack of performance issue as well. I think part of the issue is that Ennis doesn't really have a bread and butter guy to work with on offense. In the summer exhibitions and the pre-season he had a really nice chemistry with trevor as he really looked for him. This seemed to open things up and get the ball moving. Now with teams all over trevor he is struggling to develop a chemistry with the wings. I think that is something that can be fixed but will take time. Maui is a great opportunity to find some of that chemistry.

One other thing is that CJ needs to do a better job moving without the ball this year. Teams are certainly forcing him away from the hoop but he needs to be cutting more to give ennis a chance to find him even if its not for a jumper. That little curl move from last year has been somewhat absent so far. The other thing that would be nice to see is more of the high screen and roll with someone attacking from the wing to give ennis the option of taking his shot or throwing the lob/ or a bounce pass to the cutter.
 
Great post General! Awesome stuff. You're probably making certain posters weep with the certainly possible loss or two scenario in Maui.

I think CJ needs to think about what made him so good last year. I really don't think he has much more of a ceiling. Find those spots on floor for an open jumper. Get offensive rebounds. Drive occasionally. Occasionally take some more threes. If he has to assert himself more and does too much on his own then that's gonna be bad for everyone. I know he has more attention on him this year. Hopefully he'll settle down soon.
 
Great post General! Awesome stuff. You're probably making certain posters weep with the certainly possible loss or two scenario in Maui.

I think CJ needs to think about what made him so good last year. I really don't think he has much more of a ceiling. Find those spots on floor for an open jumper. Get offensive rebounds. Drive occasionally. Occasionally take some more threes. If he has to assert himself more and does too much on his own then that's gonna be bad for everyone. I know he has more attention on him this year. Hopefully he'll settle down soon.

I'm not sure many people need me to tell them that if we keep playing the way we are we are not winning any tournaments.

But I will say this, I think Minnesota is our biggest challenge. They are capable of beating us and they have a week to prepare.

If we are playing good enough basketball to take care of Minnesota, it wont be easy for the other teams to take us down with no time to prepare.
 
If you remember, Coleman scored our first 5 points, and 7 of our first 14, basically from offensive rebounds. That is not sustainable over a long stretch. Also Ennis had a steal leading to a fast break basket, again not sustainable offense. Also, Fair made his only jumper during this stretch, and he failed to make another one the rest of the game.

Basically Syracuse took the lead with things that happened outside of half court set plays (with the exception of a Fair jump shot which he stopped making). They were not really beating St. Francis's D.

Like you, I thought Syracuse had a chance to put the game away, but they missed a few opportunities (missed free throws, missed lay up in particular) and St. Francis figured out they best way to attack our zone during that stretch. After that the game fell in their favor.
I actually think what Cole was doing was somewhat sustainable. They used their center to rotate on help d, every time they did that Cole made them pay as he has the ability, once his guy cheats off him, to seal the next closest guy and either catch and finish or make the put back. Rak and Keita IMO just doesn't make opposing defenses pay the way cole does when opponents use their center on help d on our drives toward the paint...but rak has shown some improvement in that respect this season. As far as Keita I think his offense is best when he does hi pick nroll...
 
We shot 33% from the field. I feel the ball movement was pretty good against st. Francis.

I think alot of it was the shooting not so much the selection. Haven't rewatched the game, but I agree we did make a few bonehead plays against st francis pressure but we were only rattled by it on 2-4 plays at the most. I don't recall us forcing shots though. People had to work harder to get open occasionally and we were lucky we didn't get a 5 second call once or twice.

51 fg attempts isn't bad though.
Really when it comes down to it Fair and Ennis killed us 6-21. Thats 29%.
Thats almost half of our shots.

Gbinije Cooney and Grant didn't shoot alot but combined for 10-23 thats not all that bad. Baye didn't do much Coleman added 5-5 but 3 were tip ins really, and Rak found a open man after he beat his man and was doubled before he could turn to the basket, passing 4-5 times with a crisp pass and they missed or didn't shoot off of it. Rak is going to have 5-7 assists a few games this season imo.


If anything, I think this is a good thing. It shows we are pushing Fair and Ennis to do more.
1. Ennis needs to continue to work on a midrange pullup floater. Hes going to get the rim, but against shot blocking centers not as much. On days he can't get to the rim hes got to make those midrange shots against pressure defense from guards. Right now hes missing alot of easy layups which is alittle head scratching.

2.Fair should be getting into the lane like ennis does and utilizing a sidestep pullup, he has one Ennis doesn't have that long lateral step. Fair is adjusting give him time. Yeah he put up 20 points the first three games, but hes starting his drive further out, higher dribble, and not utilizing his lateral pullup because he is trying to get closer to the basket instead of around a midpost arc. If he had a perimeter forward to help him and received the ball in the high post instead that would be wonderfull. Gbinije is the closest thing we have to a perimeter forward behind fair, but hes a guard this year and is maturing into a good one no need to mess around with that. If there is a way to get both Fair in Grant in the high post at the same time withiout killing Ennis Gbinijes drive, with Dajuan/Rak down low for putbacks we should try to find it for some set pieces. If Fair had a guy like 09-10 Wes Johnson on the perimeter we would be winning by 50 right now.

This team is every bit as unselfish as 09-10 they don't have the chemsitry but everyone is buying into their roles. Theres no do it all superhero and a big part of that is the classyness of our upperclassmen.
 
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I'm not sure many people need me to tell them that if we keep playing the way we are we are not winning any tournaments.

But I will say this, I think Minnesota is our biggest challenge. They are capable of beating us and they have a week to prepare.

If we are playing good enough basketball to take care of Minnesota, it wont be easy for the other teams to take us down with no time to prepare.

Agreed. I mentioned also earlier today thinking Gophers will be the toughest game there.
 
Excellent assessment, although a bit harsh on Ennis. He did not do a lot of bad things; he just did not seem to have a plan for when he was closely guarded.
 
Just a observation. rewatching the game.

We were up 8 with the ball with 5 left in the half sure enough we give them 6 unawnsered points. Fair gets a easy layup that just misses with Gbinije on the floor, and when Gbinijes length up top came out of the game they scored those six making it a, 2 point game. Cooney puts us up 6 and we exchange 2 baskets to 3 to make it a 4 point lead at halftime.
could have been a 12 point lead instead of a 4. Fair got inside much easier in the first half.


Dayton beat this st francis team by 20 and is headed to the maui wonder if we could end up playing them.
 
Agreed. I mentioned also earlier today thinking Gophers will be the toughest game there.
eh Gonzaga and/or Baylor would be tougher than gophers. Mo Walker will still be out and without him the gophers have absolutely nothing inside. The two Hollins can do alot of damage outside but they're just not a very strong team this year with Mbakwe and Williams gone.
 
eh Gonzaga and/or Baylor would be tougher than gophers. Mo Walker will still be out and without him the gophers have absolutely nothing inside. The two Hollins can do alot of damage outside but they're just not a very strong team this year with Mbakwe and Williams gone.

Personnel-wise, yep. Agreed. Really would like to avoid Baylor. I don't think we could get anything at the rim with Isaiah Austin and Jefferson there. LONG dudes. I meant more since it's the first game there and the whole Pitino factor.
 
This team is a work in progress. But that said, I still think St Francis played an awesome game. When your opponent is playing an awesome game your team is just playing average it usually turns out badly. I think the Orange will step up and play better when it matters. It may have been the Orange took St Francis too lightly.

Two times now in close games, the Carlton game and this game the Orange pulled through with a win. When it mattered most, against St Francis, the Orange stepped up with a 10-0 run and Fair and Grant going 4-4 from the foul line. I think the way the Orange finished the game was a good sign. But again, this team is clearly a work in progress.
 
I was going to say the same thing. I'm going to have to tell all of my critters. Sad day, indeed!
Durhamcuse, do you live in Durham? Have I asked you this before? Because I used to live in Durham!
 
Durhamcuse, do you live in Durham? Have I asked you this before? Because I used to live in Durham!

Indeed. Perhaps you were my neighbor. Won't you be my neighbor? I moved from Ithaca, New York. I was a big fan of Cornell hockey and lacrosse. I went to IHS and then up to Cornell with about 100 other of my classmates. Now, I be in Durham and I love it here. I work at Duke and live and breathe hatred for Duke Basketball. I've been a Syracuse B-ball fan all of my life (at least from the point I could count to a 100 in Spanish). The ACC move feels bittersweet as I grew up hating the ACC conference since they were the Big East's main competition in basketball. Now, I have to accept this and enjoy the fact that I will be able to see many more Cuse basketball games at Cameron, PNC Arena, and the Dean Dome. All of these places are within 20 minutes of my house. Go Cuse. the rest of the ACC!
 

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