Legalized sports betting - SCOTUS

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It was a joke. It would be nice if the leagues show favor to the states that compensate them, but of course that won't happen.
One would think there wouldn't be too many dumb states that would compensate them. Hell NJ should look to recoup their $9 million in legal fees from the sports leagues who fought them tooth and nail and now want an integrity fee.
 

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One would think there wouldn't be too many dumb states that would compensate them. Hell NJ should look to recoup their $9 million in legal fees from the sports leagues who fought them tooth and nail and now want an integrity fee.
Screw the integrity fee. Am sure leagues (particularly NFL) will be doing quite nicely on future TV contracts given increased viewership. Going to have to check Direct TV's recent stock price.
 

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One would think there wouldn't be too many dumb states that would compensate them. Hell NJ should look to recoup their $9 million in legal fees from the sports leagues who fought them tooth and nail and now want an integrity fee.
If I was NJ, I would make sure I am not using any trademarks or showing any copyrighted broadcasts in my casinos.
 

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If I was NJ, I would make sure I am not using any trademarks or showing any copyrighted broadcasts in my casinos.
Same advice for Nevada?

If those casinos stopped taking bets on NFL games then NFL ratings would drop through the floor and NFL revenues would take a serious hit.
 

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Just to be clear, I feel no affection for sports leagues or state governments. I do find the issue fascinating. My fundamental belief is that if an entity is going to make money by accepting bets on content that someone else provides, the content provider should be compensated. I see it similarly to other aspects of intellectual property. A bar owner has to pay licensing fees to play the music and present the sporting events that make his/her establishment appealing. Obviously, a different precedent has been set with gambling in Nevada. Since the issue is now coming up in other states, if I were the leagues, I would push this in the courts. A radio station can make the claim that by playing Drake's records, Drake is going to sell more records and have more people attend his concerts, but the radio station still has to pay for permission to play his songs. I don't see any reason why gambling should be handled differently other than that it has been handled differently.
 

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Nope, just the new states.
Good luck wid dat. Everybody knows it's a sham.

Check into the Arizona State hoops point shaving scandal in the mid 90s. They were caught because somebody tried to place an unusually large bet. The sports books have very sophisticated systems that can sniff that stuff out in a hurry.
 

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Just to be clear, I feel no affection for sports leagues or state governments. I do find the issue fascinating. My fundamental belief is that if an entity is going to make money by accepting bets on content that someone else provides, the content provider should be compensated. I see it similarly to other aspects of intellectual property. A bar owner has to pay licensing fees to play the music and present the sporting events that make his/her establishment appealing. Obviously, a different precedent has been set with gambling in Nevada. Since the issue is now coming up in other states, if I were the leagues, I would push this in the courts. A radio station can make the claim that by playing Drake's records, Drake is going to sell more records and have more people attend his concerts, but the radio station still has to pay for permission to play his songs. I don't see any reason why gambling should be handled differently other than that it has been handled differently.
You have a one-sided view. The sports leagues are huge beneficiaries of sports betting and would be crushed if it were somehow outlawed. And it isn't just Nevada. In Europe they gamble on everything and nobody collects a fee for it. You can bet on the outcome of an election - who gets paid there? The politicians?

With radio stations it was often the case that they were paid to play records (payola) and not the other way around. Bar owners have to pay somebody if a DJ plays certain music? That's news to me.
 

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With radio stations it was often the case that they were paid to play records (payola) and not the other way around. Bar owners have to pay somebody if a DJ plays certain music? That's news to me.
This is why everyone should have to take a media law class. All radio stations pay music licensing fees. Anybody that even indirectly benefits by playing copyrighted music (e.g., bars, clubs, stores, restaurants) needs to acquire licenses from ASCAP, BMI, and Soundscape. This is why many places subscribe to Muzak where the licensing fees are included in the subscription costs. DJs themselves might not be paying licensing fees, but the venues in which they work should be.

To your other point, just because something has always been done a certain way, does not mean it is the right way.
 

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This is why everyone should have to take a media law class. All radio stations pay music licensing fees. Anybody that even indirectly benefits by playing copyrighted music (e.g., bars, clubs, stores, restaurants) needs to acquire licenses from ASCAP, BMI, and Soundscape. This is why many places subscribe to Muzak where the licensing fees are included in the subscription costs. DJs themselves might not be paying licensing fees, but the venues in which they work should be.

To your other point, just because something has always been done a certain way, does not mean it is the right way.
Where you get confused is you're arguing the sports leagues need to get paid for their content but yet the league's are saying they need to get paid to protect the integrity of the game. You also refuse to concede that the sports leagues are major beneficiaries of sports betting. NJ and Delaware have rightly figured that out and will not pay them a nickel for neither their "content" nor their "integrity".

"DJs themselves might not be paying licensing fees, but the venues in which they work should be". I'd be surprised if even a small percentage of bars pay that fee.
 

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"DJs themselves might not be paying licensing fees, but the venues in which they work should be". I'd be surprised if even a small percentage of bars pay that fee.
You are definitely wrong there. Music licensing as well as licensing for television broadcasts are a major expense for any bar. Those that don’t pay, face huge lawsuits.
 

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Where you get confused is you're arguing the sports leagues need to get paid for their content but yet the league's are saying they need to get paid to protect the integrity of the game. You also refuse to concede that the sports leagues are major beneficiaries of sports betting. NJ and Delaware have rightly figured that out and will not pay them a nickel for neither their "content" nor their "integrity"..
The integrity part for me is silly. I don’t think the leagues needed to make that claim. For me it is as simple as the states are going to be benefiting from the league’s intellectual property and therefore they should be compensated.
 

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The integrity part for me is silly. I don’t think the leagues needed to make that claim. For me it is as simple as the states are going to be benefiting from the league’s intellectual property and therefore they should be compensated.
Two way street but you won't acknowledge it. Not sure why. You do agree that if gambling weren't a thing that the NFL's ratings would plummet, right?

One thing I am very confident in, few if any states will pay the sports leagues any kind of fee. They get it that it's a two way street.
 

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Two way street but you won't acknowledge it. Not sure why. You do agree that if gambling weren't a thing that the NFL's ratings would plummet, right?.
It could impact their ratings, but that has nothing to do with the point I am making. Artists benefit from radio stations playing their music, but radio stations still have to pay licensing fees.
 

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It could impact their ratings, but that has nothing to do with the point I am making. Artists benefit from radio stations playing their music, but radio stations still have to pay licensing fees.
Weak analogy imo. In any event if the NFL or the other leagues had a leg to stand on then they would have gone to court against Nevada a long time ago. But they didn't have a leg to stand on and they still don't. I guess the owners of race horses should be paid by the states that offer horse racing too, right?
 

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It could impact their ratings, but that has nothing to do with the point I am making.
Weak analogy imo. In any event if the NFL or the other leagues had a leg to stand on then they would have gone to court against Nevada a long time ago. But they didn't have a leg to stand on and they still don't. I guess the owners of race horses should be paid by the states that offer horse racing too, right?
the horse racing industry definitely gets a cut of the betting.
 

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But why hasn't the NFL gone to court to claim their pound of flesh from Nevada and its casinos?
I don’t know. I don’t care. I’m just telling you that fundamentally, I believe that if someone benefits from my intellectual property, I should be compensated. That is my belief.
 

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I don’t know. I don’t care. I’m just telling you that fundamentally, I believe that if someone benefits from my intellectual property, I should be compensated. That is my belief.
Fair enough. Will never happen though and there is a good reason for that.
 

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the cant bet on rutgers thing is just stupid. ny probably passes the same restriction so that the things most NYs want to bet on they cant? go to another state to make SU bets
 

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explain why we have a government that doesnt meet for the last 6 months of the year?

its just so vague on what can happen now? i mean it sounds like the 4 casinos could take bets if they really wanted to?
 

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