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given what is now known re football and the possible catastrophic effects do you think the numbers of kids who would play football will decline,as parental awareness grows? will we sweeping changes to the game to protect players?will we see advanced technological equipment strides to address the issues.would you let your kids play football?
 
given what is now known re football and the possible catastrophic effects do you think the numbers of kids who would play football will decline,as parental awareness grows? will we sweeping changes to the game to protect players?will we see advanced technological equipment strides to address the issues.would you let your kids play football?

Is there a team sport that doesn't pose a risk to a participant's health? Crew?

Junior played football well into his 30's at the highest levels of competition. Every kid that plays pop Warner to high school ball isn't walking away a cripple. In fact, more cheerleaders get seriously injured every year than fb players.

The attitudes about and treatment of concussions has completely changed. Everyone errs on the side of caution now.

I think fb is a great team sport and my son does and will continue to play it, along with lacrosse, wrestling, and basketball.
 
given what is now known re football and the possible catastrophic effects do you think the numbers of kids who would play football will decline,as parental awareness grows? will we sweeping changes to the game to protect players?will we see advanced technological equipment strides to address the issues.would you let your kids play football?

When you look at the studies that are coming out and the damage that is being done not from the concussions but from the repetitive day to day hits .. there is simply no way I would ever let me son play unless there are major strides made in safety and helmet technology. It simply is not worth it when he has so many other choices of sports to pick from that have less risk. Yes every sport has risk but not every sport has the kind of brain risks playing football does.
 
When you look at the studies that are coming out and the damage that is being done not from the concussions but from the repetitive day to day hits .. there is simply no way I would ever let me son play unless there are major strides made in safety and helmet technology. It simply is not worth it when he has so many other choices of sports to pick from that have less risk. Yes every sport has risk but not every sport has the kind of brain risks playing football does.
Talking about technological strides in equipment is all well and good, but that only does so much. The big thing is technique, all kids do these days is lead with their head or RB drop their heads instead of just their shoulders. That is the main problem I am seeing is a HS or Pop Warner RB coming through the line full speed (head first) into the MLB who's already flying in leading with his head and they smash into each other with their heads. We need parents and especially coaches to realize this. My cousin coaches the varsity team at Whitesboro and they stress the proper techniques on tackling and running the ball, so their kids don't lead with their heads. Every time they drop their head they are running for the rest of practice.

I grew up in a huge football family and I love the sport, but my kids won't play it that's for sure. There is more to life than playing high school football and being Johnny Hero your senior year just to go to a D-III school. I can't wait until they come out with the studies showing the effects on cognitive development because I would say a good majority of football players do not do well in school. There are better, safer sports like soccer, baseball, golf, etc. that my kids will play and get the same experience of teamwork out of. Let's be honest, the bounty thing with the Saints only shed some light on a major issue with the sport. Very few coaches are offering monetary reward for big hits, but kids do try to take out the star players all the time in football and anyone that does't realize that hasn't been paying attention.
 
I can't wait until they come out with the studies showing the effects on cognitive development because I would say a good majority of football players do not do well in school


Purdue researchers who monitored the helmets of 21 Lafayette Jefferson High School players found that players may be damaging their brains even if they have not been diagnosed with a concussion.

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given what is now known re football and the possible catastrophic effects do you think the numbers of kids who would play football will decline,as parental awareness grows? will we sweeping changes to the game to protect players?will we see advanced technological equipment strides to address the issues.would you let your kids play football?

I have some strong opinions on this.

First, I served as the administrative officer for a large youth football club in the DC area. We had five teams in various weight classes and about 100 kids. In the five years I did this, we had one serious injury in 200 games and hundreds of full contact practices. This is a "select" league and our "franchise" had dozens of kids who went on to play in college and even some that went to the NFL. . A kid dislocated his hip after being tackled on the part of the field that was baseball infield. The doctors said it ws a congenital weakness in the hip.

But kids were hurt. You wanna know when? The got hurt doing horseplay before and after practice and in their backyards. When they were supervised with equipment there were rarely injuries. Left on their own, there were plenty of injuries ... because they are boys.

Secondly, through the years, it seems to me that the parents who didn't let the kids play football and learn from the experience, produced boys that were less confident and more fearful. The parents let their own fears take over.

Football isn't for everybody. A wise man once told me that a football field was the greatest place in the world if you wanted to be there and the worst place in the world if you didn't. But don't let your --- or your wife's --- imagined fears deny a boy an opportunity to try it and find out if he likes it or not. There's no shame in not wanting to get knocked around if that isn't your thing. But at least have them try it. No pressure.
 
Talking about technological strides in equipment is all well and good, but that only does so much. The big thing is technique, all kids do these days is lead with their head or RB drop their heads instead of just their shoulders. That is the main problem I am seeing is a HS or Pop Warner RB coming through the line full speed (head first) into the MLB who's already flying in leading with his head and they smash into each other with their heads. We need parents and especially coaches to realize this. My cousin coaches the varsity team at Whitesboro and they stress the proper techniques on tackling and running the ball, so their kids don't lead with their heads. Every time they drop their head they are running for the rest of practice.

I grew up in a huge football family and I love the sport, but my kids won't play it that's for sure. There is more to life than playing high school football and being Johnny Hero your senior year just to go to a D-III school. I can't wait until they come out with the studies showing the effects on cognitive development because I would say a good majority of football players do not do well in school. There are better, safer sports like soccer, baseball, golf, etc. that my kids will play and get the same experience of teamwork out of. Let's be honest, the bounty thing with the Saints only shed some light on a major issue with the sport. Very few coaches are offering monetary reward for big hits, but kids do try to take out the star players all the time in football and anyone that does't realize that hasn't been paying attention.

how do you not lead with your head? the only guy i've ever seen run without his head leading was chandler jones returning that int against pitt.

i get hitting with the top of your head, that's what kevin everett and the kid from rutgers did - break your neck that way. not leading with your head is easier said than done.

i get coaching to not hit with your head but that's easier said than done, ball carriers move quickly.
 
Is there a team sport that doesn't pose a risk to a participant's health? Crew?

Junior played football well into his 30's at the highest levels of competition. Every kid that plays pop Warner to high school ball isn't walking away a cripple. In fact, more cheerleaders get seriously injured every year than fb players.

The attitudes about and treatment of concussions has completely changed. Everyone errs on the side of caution now.

I think fb is a great team sport and my son does and will continue to play it, along with lacrosse, wrestling, and basketball.

Today's parents never saw a safety device they didn't like. High tech car seats, bicycle helmets, etc, etc.

The FEAR of just about everything dominates their lives. Abduction. Perverts. Serial killers.

On a cold day here in Washington, DC the TV warns all the parents of "hypothermia" Do you know what the actual risk of hypothermia is in Washington, DC? Unless you are a homeless person who can't finds a steam grate, it's more likely you'll be trampled by elephants.

On hot days, it's Heat exhaustion or dehydration.

Windy days? Watch out for falling trees.

Those of us who grew up in the days of no bicycle helmets and almost no parental supervision shake our heads and wonder what kind of kids we are producing whose parents are afraid of so many things.
 
Today's parents never saw a safety device they didn't like. High tech car seats, bicycle helmets, etc, etc.

The FEAR of just about everything dominates their lives. Abduction. Perverts. Serial killers.

On a cold day here in Washington, DC the TV warns all the parents of "hypothermia" Do you know what the actual risk of hypothermia is in Washington, DC? Unless you are a homeless person who can't finds a steam grate, it's more likely you'll be trampled by elephants.

On hot days, it's Heat exhaustion or dehydration.

Windy days? Watch out for falling trees.

Those of us who grew up in the days of no bicycle helmets and almost no parental supervision shake our heads and wonder what kind of kids we are producing whose parents are afraid of so many things.

First, times have changed. We know more. Bike helmets, safer car seats... it's not about mass hysteria...more about just being safer than we used to be. Same goes for abductions, etc.. I am not going to ignore that possibility so within reason, I keep an eye out and ensure my children are not in positions that would make it easier to happen. Heat exhaustion - I recall the days when coaches would purposely hold back water with good intentions thinking it would e.g. prevent cramps, or train our bodies to work well without water. We now know that was out of ignorance and we do the opposite now. Really, it's not that big a deal.
 
First, times have changed. We know more. Bike helmets, safer car seats... it's not about mass hysteria...more about just being safer than we used to be. Same goes for abductions, etc.. I am not going to ignore that possibility so within reason, I keep an eye out and ensure my children are not in positions that would make it easier to happen. Heat exhaustion - I recall the days when coaches would purposely hold back water with good intentions thinking it would e.g. prevent cramps, or train our bodies to work well without water. We now know that was out of ignorance and we do the opposite now. Really, it's not that big a deal.

Do what you want.

But to us older guys it looks to us that your generation is being scared witless and then sold something to address that fear.

I feel sorry for you guys. Living with all that fear is a hard thing.

All we had to worry about was bad breath and B.O. that's what advertisers and marketers told us we had to worry about.

Back when you were practicing and being denied water, did anybody actually pass out? I can't remember anything like that.

I'll admit I am kind of pissed in retrospect. I was thirsty. And all they gave me was salt pills and that made things worse.
 
Do what you want.

But to us older guys it looks to us that your generation is being scared witless and then sold something to address that fear.

I feel sorry for you guys. Living with all that fear is a hard thing.

All we had to worry about was bad breath and B.O. that's what advertisers and marketers told us we had to worry about.

Back when you were practicing and being denied water, did anybody actually pass out? I can't remember anything like that.

I'll admit I am kind of pissed in retrospect. I was thirsty. And all they gave me was salt pills and that made things worse.
First. I am plenty old. I had 47 kids in my kindergarten class and walked to school unescorted. I was allowed to go out and roam the neighborhood all day as long as I was back for supper. Since I was not abducted, I guess you might think it would be smart to repeat this for my children. Second, who lives in fear? Not me. Putting my child in a car seat is not really much effort for the safety benefits. As far as anyone passing out due to lack of water? I never saw it...but what's your point? It's still easy and better to allow water more than they used to. It's not a big deal. We have more knowledge than before... let's use it to our advantage. I think there are a lot of people who liked their childhood and feel that any changes are an indictment on how they were raised...so they get all worked up. Even you acknowledge that salt pills and no water was dumb... so we learn and don't do it. Many things were done with good intentions but without a lot of knowledge and science.
 
Townie, although I generally agree with you on all your points, we can replace football with lacrosse (at least in our part of the world) and still keep the train rolling along.
 
My kids play it currently and you can get messed up in Lacrosse or any other sport as well. There will always be that "what if" parent but I am not going to punish my kids by being a worry wart. Now with that said if they get anymore then 2 head injuries they are finished playing all sports just not football. I still can function with four two from football and two from car accidents. Long story short I will cut them off it comes down to that.
 
Townie, although I generally agree with you on all your points, we can replace football with lacrosse (at least in our part of the world) and still keep the train rolling along.
You might want to check the head injuries out in that sport as well before you get on the Lacrosse soap box. Lacrosse is the number 1 youth sport in Fauquier county that causes head injuries.
 
Today's parents never saw a safety device they didn't like. High tech car seats, bicycle helmets, etc, etc.

The FEAR of just about everything dominates their lives. Abduction. Perverts. Serial killers.

On a cold day here in Washington, DC the TV warns all the parents of "hypothermia" Do you know what the actual risk of hypothermia is in Washington, DC? Unless you are a homeless person who can't finds a steam grate, it's more likely you'll be trampled by elephants.

On hot days, it's Heat exhaustion or dehydration.

Windy days? Watch out for falling trees.

Those of us who grew up in the days of no bicycle helmets and almost no parental supervision shake our heads and wonder what kind of kids we are producing whose parents are afraid of so many things.

I'm not trying to get a gotcha question in here, but have you ever dealt with a concussion or other head trauma yourself?

I have. From football. I love football. Loved playing football. Hell, I came back early from a concussion (found a second doctor to give me an approval). I also played Lacrosse.

I don't get this tough guy shtick. Back in the day, there was a stigma about not playing while injured and there was a HUGE stigma about not playing when people couldn't see the physical symptoms of an injury. Let alone track, in aggregate, an ongoing risk.

We know more now. I'm not saying to NOT put your kids in a football program, but there are so many options for sports to participate in, there is definitely going to be a drop in putting your kids in one where there is known risk for head injuries.

It's not like there aren't other tough(er) sports like wrestling and hockey.
 
First. I am plenty old. I had 47 kids in my kindergarten class and walked to school unescorted. I was allowed to go out and roam the neighborhood all day as long as I was back for supper. Since I was not abducted, I guess you might think it would be smart to repeat this for my children. Second, who lives in fear? Not me. Putting my child in a car seat is not really much effort for the safety benefits. As far as anyone passing out due to lack of water? I never saw it...but what's your point? It's still easy and better to allow water more than they used to. It's not a big deal. We have more knowledge than before... let's use it to our advantage. I think there are a lot of people who liked their childhood and feel that any changes are an indictment on how they were raised...so they get all worked up. Even you acknowledge that salt pills and no water was dumb... so we learn and don't do it. Many things were done with good intentions but without a lot of knowledge and science.

Your points are valid.

But I see what I see in the aggregate. And that's a whole generation of people who seem scared of everything. They are bombarded with fears that have infintesimal probabilities of occuring. And I posit that they are producing children who will be influenced by all this excessive concern for their safety ... all this fear that permeates the airways and the rest of the media. Fear sells.

I obviously think car seats are a good idea because driving in a car is a dangerous thing. It's expecially dangerous if the Mom or Dad is talking or texting on a cell phone while driving ... something I see repeatedly here in DC. They have a Volvo. The kids are in car seats. They are hydrated. They have all the right kinds of snacks. But the Mom is driving with one hand while being distracted by someone on the other end of the phone.
 
I have some strong opinions on this.

First, I served as the administrative officer for a large youth football club in the DC area. We had five teams in various weight classes and about 100 kids. In the five years I did this, we had one serious injury in 200 games and hundreds of full contact practices. This is a "select" league and our "franchise" had dozens of kids who went on to play in college and even some that went to the NFL. . A kid dislocated his hip after being tackled on the part of the field that was baseball infield. The doctors said it ws a congenital weakness in the hip.

But kids were hurt. You wanna know when? The got hurt doing horseplay before and after practice and in their backyards. When they were supervised with equipment there were rarely injuries. Left on their own, there were plenty of injuries ... because they are boys.

Secondly, through the years, it seems to me that the parents who didn't let the kids play football and learn from the experience, produced boys that were less confident and more fearful. The parents let their own fears take over.

Football isn't for everybody. A wise man once told me that a football field was the greatest place in the world if you wanted to be there and the worst place in the world if you didn't. But don't let your --- or your wife's --- imagined fears deny a boy an opportunity to try it and find out if he likes it or not. There's no shame in not wanting to get knocked around if that isn't your thing. But at least have them try it. No pressure.

I too was part of a large youth football organization (1700 kids ages 4 through 12). As you have stated, the majority of our injuries occurred off the field, anything from kids roughhousing after practice (without helmets but rest of gear) to falling off goalposts.

However, concussions happened, as they did in my son's lacrosse team and even his soccer team. As a league, you try to be as responsive as possible, while also providing as much information to parents as possible.
 
Townie, although I generally agree with you on all your points, we can replace football with lacrosse (at least in our part of the world) and still keep the train rolling along.

Don't agree, Bayside. Lax is a great sport and my kids played it through high school and one of them into college. But the best sports experience they ever had was youth football. They loved it like they loved no other experience.

It gave them a confidence and a toughness and a sense of "team" that no other sport did. I was amazed at what these coaches could get these kids to do and even endure.

And I'll confess. I was originally against them playing football. I played in high school and I thought it was a ridiculous sport. The thought of running full speed into someone seemed absurd. I did it because my father had (at the same high school with great acclaim) and because my friends also played. Of course, if I had started at 8 or 9 or 10, I'd have been much better prepared and much better at the sport.

My advice would be to at least let them try it ... if you have sons. Let them decide. Don't let your fears decide for them.
 
given what is now known re football and the possible catastrophic effects do you think the numbers of kids who would play football will decline,as parental awareness grows? will we sweeping changes to the game to protect players?will we see advanced technological equipment strides to address the issues.would you let your kids play football?
My 11 year old has played 3 years of tackle now. I laid down an additional $200 to buy a Xenith helmet, which is supposed to be one of the better head injury preventing helmets out there, and he can use it for a few years. He is a bigger kid, but not aggressive, so we stick him on the line as a pulling guard or maybe a DE to at least give outside contain. It's more bumping or wrestling in those positions, so he is less likely to take a direct violent shot. It is up to him if he wants to continue to play again this year, he is also considering doing fall baseball instead. I won't push him either way, but he needs to decide soon so we can sign up. Each year, the kids get bigger, faster and hit alot harder. I have seen very good young athletes get tattooed in football and never get on the field again, it is a violent sport. It is pretty frightening when you hear about these injuries and the long term effects, so my own passion for football has waned over the years. As coaches, there is added responsibility to teach proper contact for football, to be effective but also to protect yourself and others from serious injury. It is just a game after all, no one should suffer long term ill effects from playing football or any other sport if you can help it. The recent emphasis on safety and treating these head injuries as serious matters not to be dismissed is refreshing and long overdue.
 
I can't wait until they come out with the studies showing the effects on cognitive development because I would say a good majority of football players do not do well in school. There are better, safer sports like soccer, baseball, golf, etc. that my kids will play and get the same experience of teamwork out of.

Yeah but is the head cheerleader gonna do the golf captain? Hmmm???? What about the teamwork she can teach if some of her friends help???

Okay, maybe a parent doesn't really care about that... Golf it is!!
 
I too was part of a large youth football organization (1700 kids ages 4 through 12). As you have stated, the majority of our injuries occurred off the field, anything from kids roughhousing after practice (without helmets but rest of gear) to falling off goalposts.

However, concussions happened, as they did in my son's lacrosse team and even his soccer team. As a league, you try to be as responsive as possible, while also providing as much information to parents as possible.

1700 kids? Wow.

My expeeince exactly on the pre and post practice injuries.

There is no growing up without risk.

There is no playing sports without risk.

Youth football --- based on my experience --- seems relatively risk free. An 85 lb kid takling another 85 lb kid each with all this equipment on is relatively safe. The weight times velocity equation isn't all that high.
 
First. I am plenty old. I had 47 kids in my kindergarten class and walked to school unescorted. I was allowed to go out and roam the neighborhood all day as long as I was back for supper. Since I was not abducted, I guess you might think it would be smart to repeat this for my children. Second, who lives in fear? Not me. Putting my child in a car seat is not really much effort for the safety benefits. As far as anyone passing out due to lack of water? I never saw it...but what's your point? It's still easy and better to allow water more than they used to. It's not a big deal. We have more knowledge than before... let's use it to our advantage. I think there are a lot of people who liked their childhood and feel that any changes are an indictment on how they were raised...so they get all worked up. Even you acknowledge that salt pills and no water was dumb... so we learn and don't do it. Many things were done with good intentions but without a lot of knowledge and science.
i think it might be better for your case against football if you didn't bring up abductions.

that truly is hysteria. way overblown.

would be a shame if people dismiss concerns about football simply because the concerns are coming from helicopter parents.
 
You might want to check the head injuries out in that sport as well before you get on the Lacrosse soap box. Lacrosse is the number 1 youth sport in Fauquier county that causes head injuries.

Not to mention lacrosse has averaged about a death a year the last five years
 
I have some strong opinions on this.

First, I served as the administrative officer for a large youth football club in the DC area. We had five teams in various weight classes and about 100 kids. In the five years I did this, we had one serious injury in 200 games and hundreds of full contact practices. This is a "select" league and our "franchise" had dozens of kids who went on to play in college and even some that went to the NFL. . A kid dislocated his hip after being tackled on the part of the field that was baseball infield. The doctors said it ws a congenital weakness in the hip.

But kids were hurt. You wanna know when? The got hurt doing horseplay before and after practice and in their backyards. When they were supervised with equipment there were rarely injuries. Left on their own, there were plenty of injuries ... because they are boys.

Secondly, through the years, it seems to me that the parents who didn't let the kids play football and learn from the experience, produced boys that were less confident and more fearful. The parents let their own fears take over.

Football isn't for everybody. A wise man once told me that a football field was the greatest place in the world if you wanted to be there and the worst place in the world if you didn't. But don't let your --- or your wife's --- imagined fears deny a boy an opportunity to try it and find out if he likes it or not. There's no shame in not wanting to get knocked around if that isn't your thing. But at least have them try it. No pressure.

It's not the acute injuries anyones worried about.
 

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