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Let Me Tell You About Drew Allen, Because I Know and You Should Listen

My aunt, god rest her sole was from Oklahoma. My wife and I were out there visiting and she gave us some advice for when we were driving around. She said, "when ya'all are drivin around, if ya come across a dad burned tarnada, find a bar ditch and get down"! I think she ment a tornado, but my wife and I still can't figure out what a bar ditch is. Oklahoma has the warmest people in the world, bar none and great post. I feel better about our situation!

A bar ditch is a ditch that is parallel to country roads. It is used to collect water during extreme rain storms. Another hiding place could be a cattle guard. These are placed over roads to eliminate the need for cattle gates. The cattle will not cross them.

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DNABB...My in-laws live just west of Lawton right off of I-44...My wife is an Oklahoma State grad. Hey, at least she is a shade of Orange if not the real thing! ;)
 
DNABB...My in-laws live just west of Lawton right off of I-44...My wife is an Oklahoma State grad. Hey, at least she is a shade of Orange if not the real thing! ;)

Yep. Orange football and just west of Lawton living inlaws. Lots in common. Them parts of OK got nothing, but they sure as hell have a lot of it.
 
So I noticed this morning that redshirt freshman Trevor Knight has won the Sooners QB starting job over the Belldozer. How's that going to go over?

This may have been posted, but this was a challenging thread to follow all the way through.
 
So I noticed this morning that redshirt freshman Trevor Knight has won the Sooners QB starting job over the Belldozer. How's that going to go over?

This may have been posted, but this was a challenging thread to follow all the way through.
There were several mentions and links to the story.
 
There were several mentions and links to the story.

Ouch, right for the throat. Hopefully they were just in this thread.

And that concludes my interest in the Oklahoma football program.
 
Now there are three things from Oklahoma I like. Drew Allen, the OP, and good ole' Jim Ross
 
Was the SU vs OU game in the Dome the one where we got hit with those insanely ridiculous penalties for our knee pads being too high? Or was that Against Texas. I have never, ever seen that called. And non will ever be able to convince me that wasn't the visiting refs making some homer calls.


That was against OU
Easy hoss. He's probably a Dallas fan and refers to Giants stadium as Metlife.

I was born in the Dirty Jers and the Giants are my favorite team.
 
Ignore that response about the knee pads; I just remember that being a controversy for being the first college team to do that. Forgive me, I was like 6 when that happened.
 
Ignore that response about the knee pads; I just remember that being a controversy for being the first college team to do that. Forgive me, I was like 6 when that happened.

Yea that was the UT game and we are still arguing about the PI that was called on David Byrd even though Will Allen had the coverage.

Twice in that game Syracuse was called for 5-yard equipment violations for knee pads.

The 1994 Oklahoma game is the one where we were called for excessive celebration the first year of it when Kevin Mason hit Marvin Harrison for a beautiful like 50 yard pitch and catch after your boys had ate a safety rather than punt from the 2 and we went up 29-27. We missed the PAT and the 15 yards were on the kickoff. You guys still converted a 4th and 10 right right after Rod Gadson (I think) dropped a pick. That kick did not look good but just, and I mean just got over the crossbar and inside the post.

I looked for a while and this is the best writeup I could find.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/04/s...y-by-syracuse-upstaged-at-end-by-sooners.html
 
Ouch, right for the throat. Hopefully they were just in this thread.

And that concludes my interest in the Oklahoma football program.
No not really I just responded to what sounded like a question, "This may have been posted" I thought you might be interested in the comments that followed those links.
 
I don't want to get your expectations too high, but I think you guys got something special with Drew Allen and you gotta understand some context to get how he ended up in Syracuse (and because I don't think the story has been well reported on and may be a big story come midseason).

When OU made the run to the national championship during the 2008 season and subsequently lost to Florida in the big game, Sam Bradford decided to return for another season, despite winning the Heisman trophy and by all accounts being the presumed (and ultimately inevitable) first pick in the NFL Draft. No one expected that to happen. As a result, the coaching staff at OU decided to recruit someone to compete with Landry Jones (who was redshirted as a freshman during the 08 season) for the starting gig in 2010 (or later, if for some bizarre reason Sam would've stayed another year after 09). The staff picked Drew - he had a big arm, was a notoriously fierce competitor with a "win at all cost" mentality. And to be honest, if it had played out the way the coaches had expected, no one would probably know who Landry Jones is and he wouldn't be the winningest (is that a word?) qb in OU football history. That however, didn't happen:

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This incident changed the whole dynamic at the qb position at OU. When Sam Bradford went down at the end of the 1st half of the season opener, there was no choice but to throw Landry Jones into the starting spot. And Landry performed admirably on a truly dysfunctional team that season. His performance wasn't perfect, but it was good considering. By the spring of 2010, any chance of a real position battle at qb wasn't going to happen; not only was Landry the presumptive starter, but you give a guy an entire season of playing time and he's gonna learn a few things - nothing improves a player like game experience. So, Drew assumed the back-up responsibilities for Landry in 2010 and the coaching staff recruited Blake Bell to come in as a freshman qb. By the time the 2011 season rolled around, the rumors were that Landry would leave after the 2011 season. Going into that season, Drew was the no question back-up and front runner for the starting spot when Landry left. However, a few things happened. (1) Landry Jones came back for 2012 and (2) the "Belldozer" happened. I'll start with the later.

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This offensive strategy comprised of taking your 3 year starting quarterback out in redzone situations and substituting a 6-5, 265 lb battering ram of a qb and giving him a heavy personnel of a tight end, an extra tackle, 2 full backs, and one receiver to just run dive plays on the goal line or any time we needed 2-3 yards. To anyone that knows football, this is ***ing asinine because it telegraphs what you're gonna run for both quarterbacks when they're on the field - if its Landry, they're gonna throw it and only hand it off as a token of "we have to hand it off to make you think we can but we really know we can't." To be fair to the coaching staff, using this strategy didn't become an option until it was evident that we couldn't run the ball by just handing it off; our oline was mediocre and our running backs were lacking - to them this was a really appealing short-term solution to a long-term problem.

The Sooner proto-fan friggin loved it. Bell's little spark plug thing gave OU fans a real chubber, especially when most of them unnecessarily blamed Landry Jones for any Sooner season disappointments. The guy became a superstar overnight; OU fans were literally calling for benching the guy that would throw 30 TDs in a season and won a Big XII championship the year before because they wanted Blake Bell so bad.

This is important context to understand Drew because he was caught in the middle of all this. Unbeknownst to the fans and sports media outlets, Drew was the actual back-up. When the staff put together the running qb idea, they originally intended to use Drew; he was faster than Blake, he can actually throw the ball, and he had game experience from 2010. However, Huepel (OU's OC) decided it was best to put the redshirt freshman, third string quarterback in because hell, if he got injured doing it, it didn't really matter; we still had the real back-up in case Landry went down. So as the season went on, Belldozer saw an increasing number of snaps at psuedo-quarterback where all he did was dive ahead and not really play qb and OU fans collectively fawned over the idea of a Blake Bell era at qb. On then, to point numero uno, Landry's return for the 2012 season.

By spring of 2012, there was no question that Landry was the starting qb; the staff wasn't gonna bench him (because it would've been friggin stupid) for a qb that had no game experience. Thus began the infamous "battle for the no. 2 spot." This bizarrely public contest for a back-up qb position occupied more fans attention than the question of "hey, is OU gonna actually be in good in the 2012 season?" Or "hey, is it bad that our defensive coordinator decided to jump ship to Clemson?" Or "hey, did we have a disappointing season in 2011 because we did stupid things like ESPN all-access and our players are getting entitled?" Or "hey, is our tackles/tight ends coach a former lawyer turned liberal evangelical minister (how one can be a liberal evangelical is beyond me, but trust me, this guy was) turned one year high school football coach turned position coach at the friggin University of Oklahoma?!" No, instead it was "Blake Bell should be the starting qb! *** Landry Jones! If you won't bench Landry, at least show us what we have to look forward to with Blake!" Its amazing, but fans can have an actual influence on coaching decisions sometimes; for who knows what reason, Huepel decided to announce that Blake Bell would be the back-up quarterback after a phony position battle and in 2012, we fully committed to the "Belldozer" whenever we needed to gain some yards.

And thus, here we are. Drew had one year of eligibility left and told he wasn't going to get to compete with Blake, so start shopping for another school (ironically, it looks like OU's gonna start a different kid than Blake; apparently once they started actually thinking "oh , we should actually ask the question as to whether Belldozer can actually play qb" they realized that they didn't have a good qb on their hands). So Drew looked around and narrowed it down to the 'Cuse and your future conference opponent, NC State.

Drew picked you guys because he believes in your program and he wants to make an impact. He wants to win and he's got a whole hell of a lot to prove. That's something you guys want. I know that was long winded, but I think it gives some much needed context so you understand that you're gonna get a guy who's finally getting his shot and is ready for it.

GO ORANGE 2013!!! WIN THE ACC!!!

- Your slack-jawed Okie scratchin his head 'bout your Yankee ways


Sir, after a thorough evaluation and careful consideration....I think you are full of stuff.
 
Sir, after a thorough evaluation and careful consideration....I think you are full of stuff.
you are fuccking nuts on this one...the defense blew this game along with the poor preparation on the staff
 
you are fuccking nuts on this one...the defense blew this game along with the poor preparation on the staff

True they struggled but how many points did NW score after those picks?
 
you are fuccking nuts on this one...the defense blew this game along with the poor preparation on the staff

Completely agree. Our defense stunk worse than my bathroom after a night of Indian food...

But that's not my point. I'm talking about the glowing reviews for Drew Allen. That young man is not who we thought he was.
 
you are fuccking nuts on this one...the defense blew this game along with the poor preparation on the staff

Are you watching the games? Allen's accuracy is horrible. He has zero touch on his passes (ask Broyld and Smith). He literally throws the ball right to the other team. He can't see the field. He gets more balls batted down than Spud Webb posting up Dikembe Mutombo. He has a ridiculously low release point and plays small. His long tosses down the sideline are never based on an open receiver or his ability to put the ball where only his guy can get it, they're just a wing and a prayer. Yeah, the D was horrible tonight, but I think the offensive staff made some adjustments midway through the 2nd qtr. Everything I've seen so far from Allen screams "Start Hunt!"
 
Now that we are full circle with this post I thought it would be interesting to see how many references there are to the Sugar Bowl MVP, Trevor Knight.

Last night in New Orleans, wearing his idol's #9 and playing in the same stadium as he does Trevor Knight did a pretty good Drew Brees imitation.

In this thread, here are the mentions of Knight

(Hindsight: No I don't think Stoops is having any regrets about letting Drew Allen get away):


I am an SU grad who has lived in OK for 36 yrs. now and I love it. My son's an OU grad, also a brainwashed SU fan. He said Drew Allen is the real deal.

In breaking news-Stoops just named redshirt freshman Trevor Knight starting QB over Blake Bell. Ouch for Bell-big time. I'll bet Drew would be starting if he stayed, but as stated earlier it was strange situations that brought him to SU. They wish they could take him back now.
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Knight was just named the target for OU. I wonder if there is regret letting Allen leave or if this was kind of the plan. Either way it makes the OP even more interesting
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Wouldn't it be something if we met Oklahoma in a bowl game?
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If you saw, Stoops announced this evening that Trevor Knight got the starting gig.
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I apologize if this was posted already...Just saw this article and thought it was fitting for this thread.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...hman-trevor-knight-starting-qb-232818630.html
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So I noticed this morning that redshirt freshman Trevor Knight has won the Sooners QB starting job over the Belldozer. How's that going to go over?
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I thought of Allen during that game and wondered if he made the trip. I'll always be impressed on how this young man handled himself in a very difficult circumstance.

I agree, he has been classy about everything no matter the circumstance.
 
I am still surprised that at the moment T. Hunt was truly struggling, the staff chose not to switch back to Drew.

I hope Drew Allen had a good experience at Syracuse University.
the staff made some good macro decisions this year.

if we can get to a point where the players have enough talent that allows all the macro stuff to just flow, it will free up the staff to focus on the micro...and then we could really have something.
 

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