link to that 26 minute video of the game? want to see the failed trick play

[Millhouse]

It's so funny.

day 2, i went back and watched it 10 times. it makes me so happy

 

[TheCusian]

This one stupid play is getting more play as being emblematic of our offense then about 3-4 other really terrific calls and/or plays.

How about the one where Dungey avoided the rush and saw Fredericks very quickly, side armed a perfect pass on the run - where Jordan spins and pivots for a 30 yard TD?!?

 

[Millhouse]

This one stupid play is getting more play as being emblematic of our offense then about 3-4 other really terrific calls and/or plays.

How about the one where Dungey avoided the rush and saw Fredericks very quickly, side armed a perfect pass on the run - where Jordan spins and pivots for a 30 yard TD?!?

some other coach could just as easily benefit from fredericks spineroonies

 

[OrangePA]

No scold. Just saying it was a bad play call from the get go and putting players in a bad position based on that. You can sugar coat all you cant (defender made a good play, etc.), but calling blame to the play call isn't incorrect either.

Calling out play calling is a pointless exercise.

You have no idea why the play was called 0r what keys prompted the call.

The fact is the USF safety who was standing on the goal line made a mad dash to the backfield - he covered over 20 yards in an instant and he made a solid tackle.

He made a great play.

The problem at USF was execution. The Bulls tackled better, hit harder and blocked better.

They didn't win because of play calling.

 

[Full_Rebar]

This one stupid play is getting more play as being emblematic of our offense then about 3-4 other really terrific calls and/or plays.

How about the one where Dungey avoided the rush and saw Fredericks very quickly, side armed a perfect pass on the run - where Jordan spins and pivots for a 30 yard TD?!?

That's play-makers making plays, which is what everyone on this board is calling for, it wasn't the OC calling plays to keep the defense honest. In the 3rd quarter, look at who touched the ball and the results: Fredericks, Estime, Erv, Ishmael and one throw to Parris, who was left alone because of the threats on the field.

 

[TheCusian]

some other coach could just as easily benefit from fredericks spineroonies

Players make plays. Coaches put them in position to make them.

That play was not a good example of play calling. But if you want we can go with the play action to Ish over the top of CMU. Or Mahoney to Estime on play action vs LSU.

Or if you want to stick to USF. Ish catches a 10 yard pass after being wide open near the goal line and dives in.

I mean c'mon. This infatuation with this one dumb play call and 5 runs with Lewis is just about as disingenuous as it gets.

Dungey leads the ACC in QB passing rating. None of that reflects well on Lester? How about Mahoney's 3 TD vs LSU?

Your capitalizing on the negativity after a loss to push your "no offense is good unless it's the spread" agenda.

 

[TheCusian]

That's play-makers making plays, which is what everyone on this board is calling for, it wasn't the OC calling plays to keep the defense honest. In the 3rd quarter, look at who touched the ball and the results: Fredericks, Estime, Erv, Ishmael and one throw to Parris, who was left alone because of the threats on the field.

Hence the "and/or"

 

[Full_Rebar]

If you believe that this Syracuse team can afford halves where they do nothing on offense because some plays work later in the game, that's your perspective.

What I'm saying, is that if you have a QB who is capable of doing very good things with his arm, and the weapons around him to do damage quickly and efficiently, why aren't you doing more of those things, and a lot less of what is clear to everyone isn't working?

 

[Millhouse]

Calling out play calling is a pointless exercise.

You have no idea why the play was called 0r what keys prompted the call.

The fact is the USF safety who was standing on the goal line made a mad dash to the backfield - he covered over 20 yards in an instant and he made a solid tackle.

He made a great play.

The problem at USF was execution. The Bulls tackled better, hit harder and blocked better.

They didn't win because of play calling.

just because we can't judge playcalling well doesn't mean it's not important.

if we can't call that a bad play call, then there is no such thing as a bad play call.

cubit has a long and lousy track record of offense at P5 schools. their offenses do too much and they run too many trick plays. i think lester is following in his footsteps. if you're uncomfortable with playcalling criticism, think of it as a playbook/personnel criticism

it doesn't look like USF was fooled at all. they were prepared.

 

[TheCusian]

If you believe that this Syracuse team can afford halves where they do nothing on offense because some plays work later in the game, that's your perspective. What I'm saying, is that if you have a QB who is capable of doing very good things with his arm, and the weapons around him to do damage quickly and efficiently, why aren't you doing more of those things, and a lot less of what is clear to everyone isn't working?

Not halves. 1 or 2 plays.

Establishing the run isn't a crazy theory. If it works, everything is easier. Are you not also encouraged by Fredericks? I mean - call me crazy but I think you want the ball in his hands 50% of the time, with the other 50% going to Dungey, no?

 

[TheCusian]

just because we can't judge playcalling well doesn't mean it's not important. if we can't call that a bad play call, then there is no such thing as a bad play call. cubit has a long and lousy track record of offense at P5 schools. their offenses do too much and they run too many trick plays. i think lester is following in his footsteps. if you're uncomfortable with playcalling criticism, think of it as a playbook/personnel criticism it doesn't look like USF was fooled at all. they were prepared.

For one play. A bad call.

Point is you refuse to give credit for the times it all works.

 

[Millhouse]

For one play. A bad call.

Point is you refuse to give credit for the times it all works.

i haven't forgotten NC State last year. you can't blame the system for that .

 

[Chip]

day 2, i went back and watched it 10 times. it makes me so happy

I probably watched it 30 times yesterday. The fact that it's sped up a bit like an old Benny Hill skit just makes it so much better.

 

[Millhouse]

NC State last year.
It's tricky to rock a rhyme to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's trickytrickytrickytricky

#90 just says I'm going to kill whoever has the ball, doesn't matter whether it's lewis or long

another defense totally rattled by the thought of ben lewis getting carries

 

[TheCusian]

i haven't forgotten NC State last year. you can't blame the system for that .

I'm not defending trick plays. I don't know how to say it so it sticks: I don't like trick plays. I agree with you that more can go wrong than with a simple yet just as effective play.

I'm saying you want to throw the baby out with the bath water. The rest of the offense looks promising. That's a check in the playmaker category (Lester recruiting the right players for his offense). And in the play call/system category (offense is up in most categories, Freshman QB leading the ACC in QB rating, less penalties, big plays, good yards per play with Dungey, Mahoney's 2nd half vs LSU, etc.)

You're letting your infatuation with the spread color your opinion of Lester.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not defending trick plays. I don't know how to say it so it sticks: I don't like trick plays. I agree with you that more can go wrong than with a simple yet just as effective play.

I'm saying you want to throw the baby out with the bath water. The rest of the offense looks promising. That's a check in the playmaker category (Lester recruiting the right players for his offense). And in the play call/system category (offense is up in most categories, Freshman QB leading the ACC in QB rating, less penalties, big plays, good yards per play with Dungey, Mahoney's 2nd half vs LSU, etc.)

You're letting your infatuation with the spread color your opinion of Lester.

Syracuse threw out the baby (spread) with the bathwater (McDonald)

We're getting really excited about home wins against Wake and CMU when we did just fine against them with mcf***it

dungey is going to be here and he's going to be good. no worries there.

i pointed out NC state because you act like it's just one play call. you're so infatuated with ignoring 2014 that you forget that stuff

 

[SUFan44]

Calling out play calling is a pointless exercise.

You have no idea why the play was called 0r what keys prompted the call.

The fact is the USF safety who was standing on the goal line made a mad dash to the backfield - he covered over 20 yards in an instant and he made a solid tackle.

He made a great play.

The problem at USF was execution. The Bulls tackled better, hit harder and blocked better.

They didn't win because of play calling.

Fine, they made a great play. Congrats.

That still doesn't excuse the fact that you called a trick play on 2nd down from the 12 yard line with your slowest X back pitching to your walk-on RB.

I would be a little bit more OK with the call (not liked it, even if it did work, but more OK even if it didn't) if it had been some combination of Philips/Strickland/Fredericks/Ishmael/Estime. But to use it with those two guys?

It's one play, but it was a pretty big play in the first half. Essentially took us out of contention for a game-tying TD on that possession which could have changed the complexion of the game.

 

[PhatOrange]

NC State last year.
It's tricky to rock a rhyme to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's trickytrickytrickytricky

#90 just says I'm going to kill whoever has the ball, doesn't matter whether it's lewis or long

another defense totally rattled by the thought of ben lewis getting carries

who's #57 ?

 

[44doubledees]

curious, did someone make this cut up for Youtube or is this a CBS Network thing.

 

[Millhouse]

Fine, they made a great play. Congrats.

That still doesn't excuse the fact that you called a trick play on 2nd down from the 12 yard line with your slowest X back pitching to your walk-on RB.

I would be a little bit more OK with the call (not liked it, even if it did work, but more OK even if it didn't) if it had been some combination of Philips/Strickland/Fredericks/Ishmael/Estime. But to use it with those two guys?

It's one play, but it was a pretty big play in the first half. Essentially took us out of contention for a game-tying TD on that possession which could have changed the complexion of the game.

the nc state play was an absolute killer. starting a drive at their 42 after a 3 and out. took them totally out of 4 down range. idiotic

 

[Millhouse]

who's #57 ?

lol take a wild guess

 

[TheCusian]

Syracuse threw out the baby (spread) with the bathwater (McDonald) We're getting really excited about home wins against Wake and CMU when we did just fine against them with mcf***it dungey is going to be here and he's going to be good. no worries there. i pointed out NC state because you act like it's just one play call. you're so infatuated with ignoring 2014 that you forget that stuff

No - they got rid of a bad OC and hired a good one. That's just you're infatuation showing

One trick play a game, one odd run with Lewis to keep the D honest - same category - wish we didn't but it's not the mountain you're making it

I'm more excited because the play calls and the talent are better. We're young and learning so we're inconsistent. No more, no less. A true freshman QB leading the ACC in QB rating is a good sign. His stats are on par with Watson from Clemson this year. And he's a freshman making mistakes.

I though we threw a half away vs Wake... Looked like this week vs USF. Combo of conservative play calling and freshman mistakes.

I also thought Dungey's 3rd Q was amazing. But you're too busy watching a horrible end around to notice

 

[TheCusian]

Fine, they made a great play. Congrats. That still doesn't excuse the fact that you called a trick play on 2nd down from the 12 yard line with your slowest X back pitching to your walk-on RB. I would be a little bit more OK with the call (not liked it, even if it did work, but more OK even if it didn't) if it had been some combination of Philips/Strickland/Fredericks/Ishmael/Estime. But to use it with those two guys? It's one play, but it was a pretty big play in the first half. Essentially took us out of contention for a game-tying TD on that possession which could have changed the complexion of the game.

Why can't it be both a bad call and a good play from the defender? Mutually exclusive?

 

[SUFan44]

Why can't it be both a bad call and a good play from the defender? Mutually exclusive?

Sure it can be - I don't necessarily agree with the argument that it was, but I'd rather focus on discussing the things Syracuse can control (bad playing calling) rather than the things the team can't (good plays by opposition).

Also, to your post prior: the play calls are better but that doesn't mean they're good. A guy with a pulse could do better than McDonald.

 

[Millhouse]

I also thought Dungey's 3rd Q was amazing. But you're too busy watching a horrible end around to notice

i've said many times that dungey was fine against USF. the entire offense isn't dungey. but we have to feed WR their carries while fredericks gets less than a quarter of the rushing attempts