LOL. This will be fun

[Townie72]

You guys are all puffing up your chests...but reality is one more year in the BMW-FW to maintain a level of class for SU among peer institutions too much too as? Starting in July 2013 I fully expect Cuse to be ACC.

Like it or not UConn and Ruttie are peer institutions to the school's leadership.

Actually, neither Rutgers or UConn is considered a "peer" institution by SU. The school has a speific set of "peers' that they benchmark themselves against across a wide range if variables (like the availability and quality of on-campus housing). This is a formal list --- not some sort of informal thing --- that's part of the University's planning and budget process.

All of the peers are private schools. I know that Boston University is one. I knew them all once because a University administrator gave me the list verbally. I seem to recall that George Washington U in DC was another.

 

[TexanMark]

I didn't see anyone puff their chests, it was fact and reality. Seriously, who are we burning bridges with?

The leftover 5 plus other nonconference institutions will think twice about signing contracts with SU. The problem is if SU/Pitt bolt the BE will have just cause to sue for damages in 2012...I'm not worried about 2013. With the ongoing Bernie Fine drama...does the school need to employ even more lawyers to clean up the messes over something avoidable?

 

[Chip]

That extra $8M will be going right back to the BMW-FW in either payment to leave early or for damages.

I'd bet we split the difference. And we all move on with our lives. I know the Big East is hurt, but they put a plan together, they should move on as well, and take an extra payment from us on their way out.

Can't prove this, but I would think the ACC schedule will help our attendance a bit, so there's some upside cash there as well.

We're going anyway, that bridge is burned, Big East has somewhat landed on their feet. No need to drag it out for goodwill. I can't imagine staying one more year is going to have any Big East teams thinking, wasn't that nice of them? We should definitely schedule them in the future because they are so classy.

 

[TexanMark]

I'd bet we split the difference. And we all move on with our lives. I know the Big East is hurt, but they put a plan together, they should move on as well, and take an extra payment from us on their way out.

Can't prove this, but I would think the ACC schedule will help our attendance a bit, so there's some upside cash there as well.

We're going anyway, that bridge is burned, Big East has somewhat landed on their feet. No need to drag it out for goodwill. I can't imagine staying one more year is going to have any Big East teams thinking, wasn't that nice of them? We should definitely schedule them in the future because they are so classy.

I agree if we can negotiate for 2012-13 season to leave we should...my point is we shouldn't just bolt like WVU and clean up the mess afterwards.

 

[OrangeMojo]

I'd bet we split the difference. And we all move on with our lives. I know the Big East is hurt, but they put a plan together, they should move on as well, and take an extra payment from us on their way out.

Can't prove this, but I would think the ACC schedule will help our attendance a bit, so there's some upside cash there as well.

We're going anyway, that bridge is burned, Big East has somewhat landed on their feet. No need to drag it out for goodwill. I can't imagine staying one more year is going to have any Big East teams thinking, wasn't that nice of them? We should definitely schedule them in the future because they are so classy.

I believe the new schools being brought in don't start until 2013 - so SU/Pitt leaving immediately creates major problems for the remaining BE schools for 2012. Play one more year in the BE, try to win the conference and part ways based on mutual agreement after next season when the new schools come in.

Plus I want one last shot at going out with a win against all the remaining BE schools - hate leaving after coming in last place

 

[rrlbees]

Plus I want one last shot at going out with a win against all the remaining BE schools - hate leaving after coming in last place

That is the only benefit to staying one more year IMO. But there is no downside to getting out right now.

 

[baggerbob]

Actually it would be best for the big east not to go to court. West Virginia, Syracuse and Pitt could make a very compelling argument in court that they were damaged by staying in the big east after 2003. From 1991-2003 miami won 2 national championships 12 times in top 25, 10 times top15, 7 times top 10. BC 4 times top 25 , 1 time top15. VT 9 times top 25, 4 times top 15, 2 times top 10. Syr 7 times top 25,3 times top15, 1 time top 10. WV 2times top 25, 1 time top 10. Pitt only 1 top 25. None of the programs since have been anywhere near miami or virginia tech. So actually the leaving teams could make a good case for big east failing to fulfill their committment to them.

 

[SU2NASA]

No way...no need to burn bridges. We might need to schedule a series with some of the leftovers in the future.

Would you like this if SU was a leftover in the BE and 3 schools bolting like the Colts outta Baltimore?

There's no reason to keep those bridges not burned. Screw 'em, with a 9-game conference schedule we don't need to play any of them.

 

[44PRIDE]

So....
Who pays the premium that a replacement school is going to charge for filling the WVU hole in 2012?

 

[rrlbees]

The leftover 5 plus other nonconference institutions will think twice about signing contracts with SU. The problem is if SU/Pitt bolt the BE will have just cause to sue for damages in 2012...I'm not worried about 2013. With the ongoing Bernie Fine drama...does the school need to employ even more lawyers to clean up the messes over something avoidable?

What leftover 5? They are trying to leave too and will with an invite, sooner than us if they could.

 

[rrlbees]

So....
Who pays the premium that a replacement school is going to charge for filling the WVU hole in 2012?

The basketball schools of course.

 

[Chip]

What leftover 5? They are trying to leave too and will with an invite, sooner than us if they could.

Good point. Whey they tell SU to go themselves on future scheduling, I'm sure SU will lobby hard for them if and when the ACC goes to 16. They need us more than we need them.

 

[BlazeOrange]

I remember reading an article that said the schedule would be drawn up in January and that SU and Pitt would be part of the meetings. I don't know if SU and Pitt will be included like the B12 plans to do, but it would not surprise me to see them release a schedule without them but have a plan B schedule in their back pockets just in case.

I'm getting the feeling that WVU will be out this year as they and the B12 want, but that SU and Pitt will stay 1 more year instead of 2 like the BE threatens because the B12 will add a few more BE teams the following year and it will dissolve.

The SU/Pitt at ACC schedule meeting article was out long enough ago that it was still conceivable that we'd get out of the BE early. Barring ultrasecret behind the scenes action, that ship has probably sailed. Wouldn't be surprised if we're no longer planning on attending the meeting. On the other hand, the agenda might include future division alignments, cross-division or home/away groupings, etc. Some of those things could affect next seasons ACC schedule whether or not SU and Pitt are in the conference.

In regard to the leave now or play nice and leave in 2013 comments, insert any Marinatto quote about expectations that we'll stay until 2014. I know, just a negotiating tactic, but he's really hung himself out there on some of them. The one-year compromise has some common sense to it, but if we're going to have to work too hard or give up too much to get it to allow him to save face, I'd just as soon burn some bridges and leave now.

 

[SU2NASA]

Good point. Whey they tell SU to go themselves on future scheduling, I'm sure SU will lobby hard for them if and when the ACC goes to 16. They need us more than we need them.

Why would we lobby for any of them? Their descension into oblivion is great for us.

 

[Chip]

Why would we lobby for any of them? Their descension into oblivion is great for us.

I hope we wouldn't, our chances of resurgence increase with keeping RU and UConn out of major conferences.

But if you're those schools you have to hope we'll lobby for them. So if we ask to schedule them, are they going to tell us to go ourselves? And are we going to reply by saying you better hope the Big 10 is desperate?

 

[Scooch]

I hope we wouldn't, our chances of resurgence increase with keeping RU and UConn out of major conferences.

But if you're those schools you have to hope we'll lobby for them. So if we ask to schedule them, are they going to tell us to go ourselves? And are we going to reply by saying you better hope the Big 10 is desperate?

Yes.

No.

Yes.

 

[JoeCollege]

the rest is spoken like a true-Capital District denizen, so i cant find fault.

Oh Lord

I just wanted to speak in your native tongue so you'd understand the absolute lack of value that Rutgers is. But, hey, if you think they bring something, anything, to the table, I'd like to interest you in some really great real estate in Troy.

 

[phil77]

Get us out ASAP.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I just wanted to speak in your native tongue so you'd understand the absolute lack of value that Rutgers is. But, hey, if you think they bring something, anything, to the table, I'd like to interest you in some really great real estate in Troy.

thanks but no thanks on the real estate in the troylet, but after a few more jacks...who knows.

i understand why its hard for people to come around on my theory that rutgers is good for the ACC, and its probably because my premiss is based on 1 Commandment, or fork in the road, that must happen or be abided by...which is the ACC is forced to expand.

so let me make 1 thing clear...IN A PERFECT WORLD, THE ACC STAYS THE STATUS QUO AND rutgers and storz GET SCREWED INTO OBLIVION.

that being said, if that DOESNT happen and ND is in play, then the 1st move HAS to be rutgers.

the ONLY reason why rutgers makes sense is to keep the b1g OUT of NYC.

as proof, i give you the NFL...a couple of weeks ago the WHOLE UNITED STATES wanted to see tebow v brady.

NYC got a goddamn jet game.

thats why rutgers is needed.

Oh Lord

 

[PeteCalvin]

So the question is does the ACC draw up a schedule with SU and Pitt included?

There will be two scheduling scenarios discussed at the ACC scheduing meetings. All possibilities will be planned for.

 

[PeteCalvin]

I remember reading an article that said the schedule would be drawn up in January and that SU and Pitt would be part of the meetings. I don't know if SU and Pitt will be included like the B12 plans to do, but it would not surprise me to see them release a schedule without them but have a plan B schedule in their back pockets just in case.

I'm getting the feeling that WVU will be out this year as they and the B12 want, but that SU and Pitt will stay 1 more year instead of 2 like the BE threatens because the B12 will add a few more BE teams the following year and it will dissolve.

I was with WVU fans today, some with connections, and they mentioned that the university was prepared to pay a hefty fine. Take that FWIW.

 

[007]

thanks but no thanks on the real estate in the troylet, but after a few more jacks...who knows.

i understand why its hard for people to come around on my theory that rutgers is good for the ACC, and its probably because my premiss is based on 1 Commandment, or fork in the road, that must happen or be abided by...which is the ACC is forced to expand.

so let me make 1 thing clear...IN A PERFECT WORLD, THE ACC STAYS THE STATUS QUO AND rutgers and storz GET SCREWED INTO OBLIVION.

that being said, if that DOESNT happen and ND is in play, then the 1st move HAS to be rutgers.

the ONLY reason why rutgers makes sense is to keep the b1g OUT of NYC.

as proof, i give you the NFL...a couple of weeks ago the WHOLE UNITED STATES wanted to see tebow v brady.

NYC got a goddamn jet game.

thats why rutgers is needed.

Oh Lord

Agree totally with keeping the B1G out of NYC market with Rutgers. However, I also believe that Rutgers and UCONN will be screwed until (if ever) ND is forced to place football in a conference. The B1G has no reason to split the pie without ND being a part, so there is no reason for the first move to be taking Rutgers. Same for the ACC.

If NYC was that critical to B1G, they would already have Rutgers. They are sitting at 12. The end game has always been forcing ND's hand.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Agree totally with keeping the B1G out of NYC market with Rutgers. However, I also believe that Rutgers and UCONN will be screwed until (if ever) ND is forced to place football in a conference. The B1G has no reason to split the pie without ND being a part, so there is no reason for the first move to be taking Rutgers. Same for the ACC.

If NYC was that critical to B1G, they would already have Rutgers. They are sitting at 12. The end game has always been forcing ND's hand.

the b1g doesnt have to make ANOTHER move.

they just got nebraska and are pretty set at 12.

but if they can get ND, yes...they could stay at 13 forever and be happy.

but to add rutgers/Giants Stadium/NYC, grab jersey recruits, make a nice 14 and cut the ACC's northern head off...well that is a home run.

actually, thats a GRAND SLAM.

Oh Lord

 

[007]

the b1g doesnt have to make ANOTHER move.

they just got nebraska and are pretty set at 12.

but if they can get ND, yes...they could stay at 13 forever and be happy.

but to add rutgers/Giants Stadium/NYC, grab jersey recruits, make a nice 14 and cut the ACC's northern head off...well that is a home run.

actually, thats a GRAND SLAM.

Oh Lord

Pretty sure we saying the same thing

 

[cayugacuse]

I'm with Mark on this one. This is about ethics. Doesn't hurt to explore ways to legally fulfill/complete the contract with the BE. If we can't do that then just finish it out and be good neighbors. If WVA want to act like punks then let em. We will be better off long term conducting ourselves honorably.