Looks Like No Arena For Now

[Bill Orange]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/01/post_984.html

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The Boneyard will be happy to read this. They will still be a mid-major stuck in a moribund conference but those guys live for stuff like this. If you can't join them hope that someone beats them.

 

[CIL]

That sound is the bus running over, then backing up Miner. I think this will happen sooner than later. Sates don't hand out 200MM that ofthn for economic development. This isn't going to look good for her when all is said and done.

 

[Millhouse]

That sound is the bus running over, then backing up Miner. I think this will happen sooner than later. Sates don't hand out 200MM that ofthn for economic development. This isn't going to look good for her when all is said and done.

this is all so childish. how dare miner be skeptical of spending 500 million from the outset!

i wish skepticism was the default stance for people wanting to spend half a billion of other people's money

 

[SUFan44]

this is all so childish. how dare miner be skeptical of spending 500 million from the outset!

i wish skepticism was the default stance for people wanting to spend half a billion of other people's money

That's an awful lot of state aid she's throwing away.

 

[oldpinepoint]

That sound is the bus running over, then backing up Miner. I think this will happen sooner than later. Sates don't hand out 200MM that ofthn for economic development. This isn't going to look good for her when all is said and done.

Tend to agree although it sounds like this has been poorly communicated all around. Her letter was from the 10th, not a lot of time for a turn around. But $200MM would have been nice. If it's not used in Syracuse it will go to some other area of the state. Why not us

 

[Full_Rebar]

How could Mahoney and the NYS/SU folks not involve Miner from the beginning? They know what her reputation is, so did they want to get an agreement in place before involving her?

 

[oldpinepoint]

How could Mahoney and the NYS/SU folks not involve Miner from the beginning? They know what her reputation is, so did they want to get an agreement in place before involving her?

Not sure, could be just like the article says, there wasn't a huge need at the very beginning. They are only 3 months into this project good lord, just earmark the $200mm for the project in this budget and keep it moving.

 

[Orangepace]

Tend to agree although it sounds like this has been poorly communicated all around. Her letter was from the 10th, not a lot of time for a turn around. But $200MM would have been nice. If it's not used in Syracuse it will go to some other area of the state. Why not us

This doesn't look good for Miner. Mahoney basically states she had everyone lined up to make this thing work and the only reason it's a no go is Miner.

 

[Orangepace]

How could Mahoney and the NYS/SU folks not involve Miner from the beginning? They know what her reputation is, so did they want to get an agreement in place before involving her?

Simple... would have been a non-starter. Since they basically put it all together, now she has egg on her face. Her stance on the issue will change over the next month or so, no doubt.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

There just went any of Mayor Minor's future aspirations...

Tone of the letter is quite damning IMHO..

 

[KaiserUEO]

this is all so childish. how dare miner be skeptical of spending 500 million from the outset!

i wish skepticism was the default stance for people wanting to spend half a billion of other people's money

i think she wanted to help spend it.

and when she saw all their fancy shoes, she figured out they already went to bloomies and lord & taylor without her and pitched a hissy fit to stop it.

 

[Orangello]

i think she wanted to help spend it.

and when she saw all their fancy shoes, she figured out they already went to bloomies and lord & taylor without her and pitched a hissy fit to stop it.

she has constituiencies that she needs to deliver patronage to and you can't do that if you don't get say so on how the $$$ is spent both during construction and once it's up and running.

 

[KaiserUEO]

she has constituiencies that she needs to deliver patronage to and you can't do that if you don't get say so on how the $$$ is spent both during construction and once it's up and running.

shes the mayor of Syracuse and they are putting it in Syracuse.

if they were putting this in liverpool or jamesville or whatever, she has every right to be pissed.

they brought her in now, so tell her to get over it.

i get that everybody may be a few drinks in already...so send her to the bar & tell her to knock back a couple a shots and come back with some ideas.

 

[cuseinchina]

She'll 'fix something' in the plan after a month or two reviewing it, claim it as her own and then move forward. Look they've done a decent job bringing private capital downtown to develop it - I seriously doubt that this will get scrapped due to ego issues.

 

[Madbiker]

Just add the $16 mil for city infrastructure into the budget it will get lost in the hundreds of millions in cost over runs for the stadium development project and nobody will ever know. Come on that is how the game is played. The only time this kind of money will be available from the state is when an incumbent governor is running for re-election and the state isn't drowning in red ink so he can dole out cash to buy votes...the stars have to align and it doesn't happen often. (Even though IMO it's way premature to be replacing the Carrier Dome and an off campus arena has a lot of drawbacks).

 

[supp]

this is all so childish. how dare miner be skeptical of spending 500 million from the outset!

i wish skepticism was the default stance for people wanting to spend half a billion of other people's money

Right. This whole thing was an orchestrated attempt to embarrass Miner. Good for her to stand her ground. The Yum! Center should be a cautionary tale for any hard-luck municipality out there. Great deal for UL, you can only say "well done" to Ramsay and Jurich for getting that project done but they stuck the city with millions more in debt that it doesn't need on its books. Makes doing everything for the city more expensive than it should be from there on out.

 

[snowycuse]

Given the history in Syracuse not to mention these type of projects nationwide I have to agree with Miner on this one and I am not a fan of hers at all. If we are talking public money for a stadium Syracuse University is the primary tenant in outside use of the stadium must be contracted in and better understood.

 

[Millhouse]

Right. This whole thing was an orchestrated attempt to embarrass Miner. Good for her to stand her ground. The Yum! Center should be a cautionary tale for any hard-luck municipality out there. Great deal for UL, you can only say "well done" to Ramsay and Jurich for getting that project done but they stuck the city with millions more in debt that it doesn't need on its books. Makes doing everything for the city more expensive than it should be from there on out.

they're treating miner like a two year old. phony preemptive alarm WELL I GUESS WE CAN'T HAVE DESERT BECAUSE YOU WON'T FINISH YOUR CHICKEN NUGGETS knowing damn well that the kid will start eating the chicken and everyone will get desert

edit you can't have dessert either kid

 

[GoSU96]

Right. This whole thing was an orchestrated attempt to embarrass Miner. Good for her to stand her ground. The Yum! Center should be a cautionary tale for any hard-luck municipality out there. Great deal for UL, you can only say "well done" to Ramsay and Jurich for getting that project done but they stuck the city with millions more in debt that it doesn't need on its books. Makes doing everything for the city more expensive than it should be from there on out.

The City of Syracuse wasn't being asked to kick in a dime of financing on the project. The City of Louisville made a minimum commitment of $206M on it's own.

 

[supp]

The City of Syracuse wasn't being asked to kick in a dime of financing on the project. The City of Louisville made a minimum commitment of $206M on it's own.

Read Miner's letter and you'll get a sense of what her concerns about the project are. There are always costs associated with something like this for the city. $200 million is not $500 million. Who pays the rest? The "private" owner/operator? How much realistically could you get from a naming sponsor? Who pays for infrastructure improvements that go along with a project of this size? She's right to be skeptical.

Do you think the City of Louisville is happy about the decision to float hundreds of millions in bonds for a building with only one tenant that doesn't come close to meeting the payments they have to make? If I were the Syracuse mayor, I'd want every penny accounted for before signing off on this project.

 

[anomander]

they're treating miner like a two year old. phony preemptive alarm WELL I GUESS WE CAN'T HAVE DESERT BECAUSE YOU WON'T FINISH YOUR CHICKEN NUGGETS knowing damn well that the kid will start eating the chicken and everyone will get desert

edit you can't have dessert either kid

that's how she should be treated

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Read Miner's letter and you'll get a sense of what her concerns about the project are. There are always costs associated with something like this for the city. $200 million is not $500 million. Who pays the rest? The "private" owner/operator? How much realistically could you get from a naming sponsor? Who pays for infrastructure improvements that go along with a project of this size? She's right to be skeptical.

There is a difference between her response and the raising and handling legitimate issues in a manner that attempts to solve problems in a fashion that cuts across sectors. The tone of this letter is something you'd expect from a litigator.

 

[supp]

There is a difference between her response and the raising and handling legitimate issues in a manner that attempts to solve problems in a fashion that cuts across sectors. The tone of this letter is something you'd expect from a litigator.

If this project doesn't happen because of the "tone" of her letter, then maybe it shouldn't happen.

If this didn't have a whiff of boondoggle to it, there's no reason for a "tone".

This project should ultimately succeed or fail on its merits. I'm glad that there seems to be an adult in the room to make sure of that.

 

[All4SU]

(Mahoney):"...My priorities, or the state's priorities, or Syracuse University's priorities for the city don't take precedence over the mayor's priorities.''

Yup. There ya go. Once again, Miner is going to put her ego ahead of everything.