LSU - My Moral Victory

[javadoc]

How bad has their QB play been? I've heard it has not been stellar, and that in any event they haven't had to rely on the pass game.

So is it possible, even minutely possible, that after watching film of Dungey, LSU fans would think, "I wish we had Syracuse's QB"?

That's all I've got.

 

[CuseCPT]

I would define moral victory in this game as something like 35-10.

 

[Briancuse]

If we are in the game in the 3rd quarter, we have done well for ourselves.

 

[Crusty]

No injuries - please, no injuries.

 

[CuseLegacy]

My moral victory is keep it respectable and no injuries. But if our D can sack the LSU QB a few times I would take that it.

 

[retro44]

either you win or lose,never heard of a thing called " moral victory" when I played.

So many here want to see a forfeit from what I can tell.

 

[CuseLegacy]

either you win or lose,never heard of a thing called " moral victory" when I played.

So many here want to see a forfeit from what I can tell.

No. I think deep down everyone here wants to win this game Saturday. Never say never. This is more, at least from me, if things go badly what I hope happens.

 

[007]

Score; or 2 first downs in the 2nd half

 

[tipphill]

i am in the play it safe in camp. we have a long season ahead with better opportunities. let ed get fully healthy, and get experience for the back ups. same for any starter that is marginal. we have committed to play a lot of guys, lets do that ---good experience---who knows maybe there is another player surprise in the making at other positions. maybe i am stupid but i have a strange confidence in lester to formulate a innovative game plan---call me naive. this game is now calls for me to revisit my old fanatical self of years ago. this game tests the out of the box thinking for the coaching staff, we play with a plan that has lsu says we haven't seen that before or what are they doing. play with anything but logic.

 

[JKinPhilly]

 

[KellySyracuse]

Google Facts ‏@GoogleFacts 7m7 minutes ago
Human muscles are limited by our brain, we actually have the strength to move cars and boulders.

here's to hoping our kids have this mentality on Saturday

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Google Facts ‏@GoogleFacts 7m7 minutes ago
Human muscles are limited by our brain, we actually have the strength to move cars and boulders.

here's to hoping our kids have this mentality on Saturday

While this is true, there's a biological purpose to that. Our joints and tendons and ligaments arent built to manage that type of strain.

I don't know why I shared that.

 

[bee rye]

How bad has their QB play been? I've heard it has not been stellar, and that in any event they haven't had to rely on the pass game.

this year? not so bad. we have low passing numbers, because we haven't had to pass, but our QB has a 67% completion, no turnovers and is leading the SEC in yards per carry.

last year, we had awful QB play. actually, every year since 2008, we have had below average QB play, minus 2013

 

[OrangeFoo]

Unfortunately HCSS's hard nosed teams have proven that when it comes to big games against superior talent they are definitively not hard nosed and the game is usually over by the end of the 1st quarter. I'd say a moral victory would be keeping the game interesting past lunch time in the central time zone but I'm not holding my breath. Good thing there are leaves to rake.

I'll give Marrone credit here... he was typically able to keep games close no matter what the talent disparity was. HCSS hasn't figured that part out yet.. probably because he's an inferior x's and o's coach to Marrone and not nearly as good of a game day coach. I sense a lot of Coach P in HCSS in that neither coach was really able to keep games close when there was a talent disparity... I still remember all of the 62-0 blowouts on national tv we used to suffer towards the end of Coach P's time on the hill. It got to the point where I wished the games weren't on tv because I knew it meant another beatdown.

Hopefully HCSS's highs are as high as Coach P's though.

 

[TheCusian]

Unfortunately HCSS's hard nosed teams have proven that when it comes to big games against superior talent they are definitively not hard nosed and the game is usually over by the end of the 1st quarter. I'd say a moral victory would be keeping the game interesting past lunch time in the central time zone but I'm not holding my breath. Good thing there are leaves to rake. I'll give Marrone credit here... he was typically able to keep games close no matter what the talent disparity was. HCSS hasn't figured that part out yet.. probably because he's an inferior x's and o's coach to Marrone and not nearly as good of a game day coach. I sense a lot of Coach P in HCSS in that neither coach was really able to keep games close when there was a talent disparity... I still remember all of the 62-0 blowouts on national tv we used to suffer towards the end of Coach P's time on the hill. It got to the point where I wished the games weren't on tv because I knew it meant another beatdown. Hopefully HCSS's highs are as high as Coach P's though.

If you give Marrone credit, you're giving DCSS credit too .

 

[TheCusian]

I think if we hold their running attack to 200.

OR

Win the TO battle.

OR

Get 5+ tfl.

OR

Score more than 17.

All moral victories.

(I was going to put secondary play - but I think to have any chance at all we have to focus on slowing their run game - which will leave us in a bad spot back there).

 

[LSUBahrain]

How bad has their QB play been? I've heard it has not been stellar, and that in any event they haven't had to rely on the pass game.

So is it possible, even minutely possible, that after watching film of Dungey, LSU fans would think, "I wish we had Syracuse's QB"?

That's all I've got.

ESPN has a QBR rating, based upon "advanced football statistics". I'm not going to claim I understand it...but Brandon Harris is currently rated #2 in the country. BTW Dungey is #32.

It takes into account more than just passing; it subtracts points for sacks (Harris only sacked once), gives credit for runs (Harris is averaging over 8 ypc on runs), and also things like down and distance on individual plays.

TFWIW. He certainly hasn't thrown much, and is very much an unknown at this point, but he's been efficient at what they have asked him to do.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr

You may have to click on the current season tab to pull up the numbers.

 

[orange_in_VA]

ESPN has a QBR rating, based upon "advanced football statistics". I'm not going to claim I understand it...but Brandon Harris is currently rated #2 in the country. BTW Dungey is #32.

It takes into account more than just passing; it subtracts points for sacks (Harris only sacked once), gives credit for runs (Harris is averaging over 8 ypc on runs), and also things like down and distance on individual plays.

TFWIW. He certainly hasn't thrown much, and is very much an unknown at this point, but he's been efficient at what they have asked him to do.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr

You may have to click on the current season tab to pull up the numbers.

Harris has 1 TD pass and only averages 4.6 yards per attempt. It's easy to complete a high percentage when you never have to throw and have the best running back maybe ever racking up 200yds and 3 TDs a game.

Dungey has 4 more passing TDs and averages 11.9 yards per attempt. He also has 106 yards and 1 (should be two) TDs rushing.

Harris's rating is also about 80 pts less than Dungey. I'll take real statistics over "advanced statistics".

Not saying Harris is worse or bad at all, but based on what he's actually done on the field this year and last he hasn't proven much.

 

[LSUBahrain]

Harris has 1 TD pass and only averages 4.6 yards per attempt. It's easy to complete a high percentage when you never have to throw and have the best running back maybe ever racking up 200yds and 3 TDs a game.

Dungey has 4 more passing TDs and averages 11.9 yards per attempt. He also has 106 yards and 1 (should be two) TDs rushing.

Harris's rating is also about 80 pts less than Dungey. I'll take real statistics over "advanced statistics".

Not saying Harris is worse or bad at all, but based on what he's actually done on the field this year and last he hasn't proven much.

I agree Harris hasn't proven much so far. Dungey has looked really good.

I do think they turn Harris loose this week so we'll find out just what he's got against you guys. He's looked good so far doing what little they've asked of him.

 

[orange_in_VA]

I agree Harris hasn't proven much so far. Dungey has looked really good.

I do think they turn Harris loose this week so we'll find out just what he's got against you guys. He's looked good so far doing what little they've asked of him.

I agree, but like I said in the other thread, if Harris looks like a Heisman QB this weekend don't get too excited. Our secondary is bad.

 

[Ozcuse]

Harris has 1 TD pass and only averages 4.6 yards per attempt. It's easy to complete a high percentage when you never have to throw and have the best running back maybe ever racking up 200yds and 3 TDs a game.

Dungey has 4 more passing TDs and averages 11.9 yards per attempt. He also has 106 yards and 1 (should be two) TDs rushing.

Harris's rating is also about 80 pts less than Dungey. I'll take real statistics over "advanced statistics".

Not saying Harris is worse or bad at all, but based on what he's actually done on the field this year and last he hasn't proven much.

Dungey's stats were against Rhode Island (#200+), Wake Forest (#82), and Central Michigan (#98).

Harris's were against #23 Mississippi State and Auburn (#42).

That's a big difference in level of competition there.

 

[Cuse'91]

Harris has 1 TD pass and only averages 4.6 yards per attempt. It's easy to complete a high percentage when you never have to throw and have the best running back maybe ever racking up 200yds and 3 TDs a game.

Dungey has 4 more passing TDs and averages 11.9 yards per attempt. He also has 106 yards and 1 (should be two) TDs rushing.

Harris's rating is also about 80 pts less than Dungey. I'll take real statistics over "advanced statistics".

Not saying Harris is worse or bad at all, but based on what he's actually done on the field this year and last he hasn't proven much.

How can you compare stats to stats without looking at the level of competition? Miss St and Auburn could win the ACC...

 

[orange_in_VA]

Dungey's stats were against Rhode Island (#200+), Wake Forest (#82), and Central Michigan (#98).

Harris's were against #23 Mississippi State and Auburn (#42).

Lil bit difference of strength of schedule there.

I realize the opponents were way different, although MSU and Auburn were both overrated this year. The thing is even though the competition was better he still only has 145 yds and 1TD passing in two games. And like I said before, Harris only averages less than 5 yard throws. He's never had to beat an opponent, and as of right now hasn't proven that he could. He greatly benefits from an amazing O-line and Running game.

 

[orange_in_VA]

How can you compare stats to stats without looking at the level of competition? Miss St and Auburn could win the ACC...

I don't agree with that, but ok.

We're also comparing a consensus Top 100, All-American 4-star sophomore to a 3-star freshman.

 

[orange_in_VA]

How can you compare stats to stats without looking at the level of competition? Miss St and Auburn could win the ACC...

You do realize that Auburn barely scrapped out a win against Ville who isn't even a top 5 ACC team right?