Luke Carney

[Moontan]

I don’t think so. I think if there is not notable improvement by Pittsburgh, then we make the change the following week.

Two weeks of practice should show which of the 3 is best prepared to spit on Pitt.

 

[AngryOtto]

Well we have to hope that Angeli's recovery goes well first and also that another school doesn't poach him if healthy. Lots of moving parts but yeah there would be no way Carney waits around for three seasons.

Now it may not happen but what if Carney came in showed great poise and won games. Why does everyone think Angeli would automatically win the job back. Angeli was really coming into his own but no one knows what Carney can do in live action.

 

[AngryOtto]

Two weeks of practice should show which of the 3 is best prepared to spit on Pitt.

Not sure this is true. I’m sure Ricky looks great in practice but it does not translate to live action.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

I’m in

 

[Moontan]

I'd like to see him get at least one possession per half, preferably 3-4 for the game.
Give him a shot. Rickie's still #1, but we want our "backup" to have some experience.

If Rickie's improved and does well against Pitt then this may not happen again until the BC game.
If Rickie still struggles and Luke is looking good then they can try it again at GA Tech (I'll be there ).
If things don't improve at GA Tech then give Luke the reins on Halloween, or split it 50/50.

Luke can't start at Miami or ND if he hasn't gotten more experience and shown his skills.

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Not sure this is true. I’m sure Ricky looks great in practice but it does not translate to live action.

I wouldn’t be too sure - ask Uncle Cook how Collins looks in practice

 

[CuseBlood44]

out of that list, safe to say Williams is gone, its looking like it would be in the best interest of both partys for Rickie to Leave, I don't think Carney is leaving despite how much of this board thinks he should, Belin might leave if he truely feels he has no path to playing time.

With carney being a Texas kid there are more factors at play. I could see him wanting to get into a better situation at a place like Texas state, north Texas, etc. or maybe a p4 promised him the 2

 

[CuseBlood44]

No he’s ticked off. He’s not out of his depth football related. He has very tough decisions to make.

He brought in a highly ranked qb and then recruited over him. If Angeli was not hurt we are probably 5-1. It’s killing him. He can’t exactly abandon Rickie because he has to kill In the portal and you can’t be the coach that throws out transfers after 2 collegiate starts. Let’s say Carney goes in and struggles too. What then? It’s painful to watch young teams grow but that’s what we have.

His coaching staff has totally let him down. Not getting Yasin the ball is criminal. And the defense played a lot better in the second half….why? They outschemed the offense. Can’t get into 20 point holes at this level.

Fran will be fine.

We give Yasin the ball on 3rd or 4th and short and he gets stuffed consistently …

 

[Cuse12]

We give Yasin the ball on 3rd or 4th and short and he gets stuffed consistently …

to be honest, I kinda want to give Nixon some of these 4th down carries. He has more lateral mobility to find a crease in the line. Lequint was the master of 4th downs and short distances. He could elevate with the best of em to get over the line.

 

[djorange1989]

Now it may not happen but what if Carney came in showed great poise and won games. Why does everyone think Angeli would automatically win the job back. Angeli was really coming into his own but no one knows what Carney can do in live action.

Absolutely. We haven’t seen Carney beyond the one series against Colgate so Angeli is the guy next year until further notice. Lets hope we get to see Carney start in a week and a half

 

[Cuseregular]

yeah lets give this kid a shot when Rickie falters, Jr. highlights. Gonna find his sr. year too

 

[CuseLegacy]

We have one thing to look forward to...There's always next year.

 

[Cuseregular]

same jr year but more, look at the throw at 3:15, ridiculous, and can't be taught. Kid can play, a winner and if he's really 6'2" 200 (or close) and can really bench 300lbs (300!) he has enough size and strength.

 

[Cuseregular]

yeah, whoa, me likey. Has has the tools it appears, the skills needed and is McCord and Angeliesque in his style. Again give rickie the first half or at least first quarter, if no bueno, it's time for this kid. It appears he has all the tools:

Class of 2025 Post in thread 'QB Luke Carney (TX) COMMITTED / SIGNED NLI TO SYRACUSE (12/4/24)'

Nov 20, 2024

• Franz69

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The fear is if he doesn't get a crack at it, he gone, or one would think.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Let's just look at the ages of this crew.

Angeli (born November 18, 2003)-->22 in a month / 23 half way through next year. 2 years left of eligibility.
Rickie (born May 17, 2005)-->20 years old now.
Carney (born ?)--> Best I can find is he's a 19 year old Freshman

Don't know what this tells us but Rickie at 20 and Carney at 19, I thought there might be a bigger age gap given Rickie is in his 3rd year of college.

Was blown away that Angeli if he uses all his eligibility would be 25 at the end of his last college football season.

 

[Niastri]

Drake Maye is 23... Either you have it or you don't. I am gradually coming over to the "Let Carney have the ball, and see if Angeli can take the job back next fall" camp.

Watching his high school highlights didn't hurt my progression to team Carney, not one bit.

For one thing, he consistently looks off the defense, uses pump fakes to move defenders and seems to be able to anticipate routes and defenses as a high school QB better than Collins does now. He also has a football throw, not a pitcher's wind up.

I've hated the Collins wind up since first seeing it when he committed here.

 

[SU91]

Drake Maye is 23... Either you have it or you don't. I am gradually coming over to the "Let Carney have the ball, and see if Angeli can take the job back next fall" camp.

Watching his high school highlights didn't hurt my progression to team Carney, not one bit.

For one thing, he consistently looks off the defense, uses pump fakes to move defenders and seems to be able to anticipate routes and defenses as a high school QB better than Collins does now. He also has a football throw, not a pitcher's wind up.

I've hated the Collins wind up since first seeing it when he committed here.

“I've hated the Collins wind up since first seeing it when he committed here.”

This.

It’s all had to see from the beginning to know he wasn’t an answer to our need.

 

[orangezen]

I’m in

Luke is everything Rickie is not

 

[Archbold44]

yeah, whoa, me likey. Has has the tools it appears, the skills needed and is McCord and Angeliesque in his style. Again give rickie the first half or at least first quarter, if no bueno, it's time for this kid. It appears he has all the tools:

Class of 2025 Post in thread 'QB Luke Carney (TX) COMMITTED / SIGNED NLI TO SYRACUSE (12/4/24)'

Nov 20, 2024

• Franz69

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The fear is if he doesn't get a crack at it, he gone, or one would think.

I think that is where most of us are. For optics, you give Rickie the start at Pitt. But you spend these two weeks getting Carney a bit more work than usual just in case. I don't know if Fran is going to do that though. A lot of that might depend on whether Carney is looking as good in practice as he is on HS tape. Perhaps the game is moving too fast for him in practice. If he cannot move the ball in practice against our porous defense...

 

[tep624]

Drake Maye is 23... Either you have it or you don't. I am gradually coming over to the "Let Carney have the ball, and see if Angeli can take the job back next fall" camp.

Watching his high school highlights didn't hurt my progression to team Carney, not one bit.

For one thing, he consistently looks off the defense, uses pump fakes to move defenders and seems to be able to anticipate routes and defenses as a high school QB better than Collins does now. He also has a football throw, not a pitcher's wind up.

I've hated the Collins wind up since first seeing it when he committed here.

Watch the play where Luke runs for the TD against Colgate - he has field presence and awareness. And he’s a natural runner. You can't teach that. That's why I have hope that even if he has freshman struggles, he'll be Dungey like in that respect. If you have it, you have it.

Again I don’t know what he’ll be like once he’s out there taking consistent reps but I’m pretty convinced we’re staring down the barrel of a brutal season otherwise.

 

[RF2044]

Drake Maye is 23... Either you have it or you don't. I am gradually coming over to the "Let Carney have the ball, and see if Angeli can take the job back next fall" camp.

Watching his high school highlights didn't hurt my progression to team Carney, not one bit.

For one thing, he consistently looks off the defense, uses pump fakes to move defenders and seems to be able to anticipate routes and defenses as a high school QB better than Collins does now. He also has a football throw, not a pitcher's wind up.

I've hated the Collins wind up since first seeing it when he committed here.

I keep repeating this, but seems relevant again here. Recruiting QBs is a crapshoot -- even at blue chip factories. That's because QB prospects are often evaluted based upon attributes, projecting what they COULD turn into. These guys are often the best athletes on the field in HS, so they dominate, and that's why they are rated highly.

But what the "measureables" don't measure are things like how quickly the QB processes information on the field, whether they get rattled when facing live pass rush, refinement in terms of how they use their eyes / pump fakes to manipulate the secondary, instincts for playmaking, etc. Instead, what often gets talked about is arm strength, athleticism, etc. That's how a guy like DJ Uaigileilei was rated a 5-star, when he had a poor feel for the game. He had all the tools, but not the intangibles.

Even at factories, it's a crapshoot. Teams like Ohio State get highly rated 4- and 5-star QB recruits EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Most of them don't pan out meaningfully. Some of that is attributable to opportunity, but even when some of those guys transfer, they don't do much. For every Joe Burrow, there are a bunch of examples of guys who don't do much at the new school.

A guy like Collins isn't a "bad" QB prospect, and he was a good gamble for us to roll the dice on. He's a smart, hardworking kid. He was the 10th highest rated pocket passing QB in his class. He committed to Purdue, before shifting to LSU. He has a lot of the right tools / attributes, but is lacking in other ways. His footwork and mechanics are unrefined. He locks onto his primary receiver and doesn't go through progressions, enabling defenses to jump throws [and resulting in higher number of interceptions]. He's a good athlete and can run, but his lack of instincts / feel for the QB position inhibit him here, as well, since it seems like he's a beat late when he elects to take off.

Players like Dungey and Shrader were instinctive playmakers, but lacked some important measureables relative to arm talent. But they made up for it by making plays in other ways -- extending a play on the move to create a throwing lane or allow a receiver to get open, being elusive as hell, being such strong running threats, etc. THAT'S why they were exceptional college QBs, despite not necessarily having NFL-caliber throwing talent. Collins lacks that type of playmaking apptitude -- as a passer OR as a runner.

I don't know if we've seen "enough" to fully write Collins off -- although I think that we probably have seen enough to not expect significant improvement. I think he is what he is at this stage. That doesn't mean that he won't improve with more experience, or be a viable starter somewhere else [a la Morgan / CDRW]. But I don't expect him to magically turn things around this year, he just lacks the instincts to be a high end P4 starter.

I also have no idea whether Carney's readiness means that he'd be an upgrade, or would similarly struggle. Just have to trust the coaches here. I don't necessarily resonate with the "it can't get any worse" sentiment -- it absolutely could, if Carney is a downgrade from Collins, at this point on his developmental curve. Maybe that's why the coaches aren't talking about a change.

But if they do make the change, it probably means that they think he is at least on par with Collins, and that they know Collins won't give the team the best chance to be successful.

 

[JRHEETER]

I keep repeating this, but seems relevant again here. Recruiting QBs is a crapshoot -- even at blue chip factories. That's because QB prospects are often evaluted based upon attributes, projecting what they COULD turn into. These guys are often the best athletes on the field in HS, so they dominate, and that's why they are rated highly.

But what the "measureables" don't measure are things like how quickly the QB processes information on the field, whether they get rattled when facing live pass rush, refinement in terms of how they use their eyes to manipulate the secondary, instincts for playmaking, etc. Instead, what often gets talked about is arm strength, athleticism, etc. That's how a guy like DJ Uaigileilei was rated a 5-star, when he had a poor feel for the game. He had all the tools, but not the intangibles.

Even at factories, it's a crapshoot. Teams like Ohio State get highly rated 4- and 5-star QB recruits EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Most of them don't pan out meaningfully. Some of that is attributable to opportunity, but even when some of those guys transfer, they don't do much. For every Joe Burrow, there are a bunch of examples of guys who don't do much at the new school.

A guy like Collins isn't a "bad" QB. He was the 10th highest rated pocket passing QB in his class. He committed to Purdue, before shifting to LSU. He has a lot of the right tools / attributes, but is lacking in other ways. His footwork and mechanics are unrefined. He locks onto his primary receiver and doesn't go through progressions, enabling defenses to jump throws [and resulting in higher number of interceptions]. He's a good athlete and can run, but his lack of instincts / feel for the QB position inhibit him here, as well, since it seems like he's a beat late when he elects to take off.

Players like Dungey and Shrader were instinctive playmakers, but lacked some important measureables relative to arm talent. Collins lacks that type of playmaking apptitude.

I don't know if we've seen "enough" to write Collins off -- although I think that we probably have seen enough to not expect significant improvement.

I also have no idea whether Carney's readiness means that he'd be an upgrade, or would similarly struggle. Just have to trust the coaches here. I don't necessarily resonate with the "it can't get any worse" sentiment -- it absolutely could, if Carney is a downgrade from Collins, at this point on his developmental curve. Maybe that's why the coaches aren't talking about a change.

But if they do make the change, it probably means that they think he is at least on par with Collins, and that they know Collins won't give the team the best chance to be successful.

Sold me.

Bring in Carney vs Pitt.

 

[Killdozer]

I never saw Carney throw to any receiver other then his locked on primary. Just saying

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I keep repeating this, but seems relevant again here. Recruiting QBs is a crapshoot -- even at blue chip factories. That's because QB prospects are often evaluted based upon attributes, projecting what they COULD turn into. These guys are often the best athletes on the field in HS, so they dominate, and that's why they are rated highly.

But what the "measureables" don't measure are things like how quickly the QB processes information on the field, whether they get rattled when facing live pass rush, refinement in terms of how they use their eyes to manipulate the secondary, instincts for playmaking, etc. Instead, what often gets talked about is arm strength, athleticism, etc. That's how a guy like DJ Uaigileilei was rated a 5-star, when he had a poor feel for the game. He had all the tools, but not the intangibles.

Even at factories, it's a crapshoot. Teams like Ohio State get highly rated 4- and 5-star QB recruits EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Most of them don't pan out meaningfully. Some of that is attributable to opportunity, but even when some of those guys transfer, they don't do much. For every Joe Burrow, there are a bunch of examples of guys who don't do much at the new school.

A guy like Collins isn't a "bad" QB. He was the 10th highest rated pocket passing QB in his class. He committed to Purdue, before shifting to LSU. He has a lot of the right tools / attributes, but is lacking in other ways. His footwork and mechanics are unrefined. He locks onto his primary receiver and doesn't go through progressions, enabling defenses to jump throws [and resulting in higher number of interceptions]. He's a good athlete and can run, but his lack of instincts / feel for the QB position inhibit him here, as well, since it seems like he's a beat late when he elects to take off.

Players like Dungey and Shrader were instinctive playmakers, but lacked some important measureables relative to arm talent. Collins lacks that type of playmaking apptitude.

I don't know if we've seen "enough" to write Collins off -- although I think that we probably have seen enough to not expect significant improvement.

I also have no idea whether Carney's readiness means that he'd be an upgrade, or would similarly struggle. Just have to trust the coaches here. I don't necessarily resonate with the "it can't get any worse" sentiment -- it absolutely could, if Carney is a downgrade from Collins, at this point on his developmental curve. Maybe that's why the coaches aren't talking about a change.

But if they do make the change, it probably means that they think he is at least on par with Collins, and that they know Collins won't give the team the best chance to be successful.

I mean, the NFL isn't even rock solid on QB evaluation.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I just don't think Fran/Nixon are ready to change things in order to win. We need to run less plays not speed things up. I believe that we are 5th Nationally in plays per FBS game. That does not make sense going forward.

We probably should be under 70 plays, under 40 passes, and about 30 rushes. It doesn't matter who is QB, we aren't winning throwing it 50 times a game. Especially if JRS is out.