Maliq Brown D.O. Article

[Chip]

Red couldn't control Copeland enough to even make him go to class or otherwise stay in line

When you want to blame a guy for everything, you might as well go all in.

And you have.

 

[Sbucketball]

When you want to blame a guy for everything, you might as well go all in.

And you have.

Idk Chip, maybe I'm out of line with my comment, but it sure has seemed like Red has struggled to control his players and their camps. That's part of a coach's job. And Copeland wasn't the mass murderer some tried to make him out as. A good kid who probably would have been fine if kept in line better. I don't buy that last year's team was just full of terrible kids.

 

[pwong]

18 minutes per game, 16 games, 17 made baskets. And someone used the term "great basketball player."

Maliq’s true impact was never on the offensive end, even here. He impacts the game so much more than “put the ball in the basket”

 

[Chip]

Idk Chip, maybe I'm out of line with my comment, but it sure has seemed like Red has struggled to control his players and their camps. That's part of a coach's job. And Copeland wasn't the mass murderer some tried to make him out as. A good kid who probably would have been fine if kept in line better. I don't buy that last year's team was just full of terrible kids.

Why isn't it on the kid to stay in line better?

I don't know him at all, I assume none of us do. But he looked like a promising young player and ended up at McNeese State. It's not like schools weren't paying attention to our players.

 

[PauliePeppas]

I was told his best friend leaving had no impact tho…

 

[JustPherU]

Good article, thanks.

I and fellow nyg fans are going through same dynamic with Saquon Barkley. Beloved player who goes to a nemesis but you can hardly blame them given the dysfunction they left behind. It’s weird, you don’t really want to root against the player now but they play for laundry you despise. And both may get a ring now.

I would say its different in college than the pros, but now its all the same.Terrible what has become of college athletics.

 

[hoopsupstate]

"he didn’t receive offers from teams in college basketball’s upper echelon". Love that for us.

Also the fact that Maliq and Copeland never considered leaving and wanted to stay 4 years, yet neither is here, is a failure by the program. Red couldn't control Copeland enough to even make him go to class or otherwise stay in line, and also couldn't keep mild-mannered loyal Maliq. The team would be better and his seat wouldn't be so hot.

Not true. It’s a failure for Copeland to decide he didn’t need to go to class. Why do you think he never started?

 

[kcsu]

I'm thinking that if we could convince Maliq to play the 5, we wouldn't have needed Eddie. We would still have taken Jyare as a back-up 4 to Donnie.

He wasn't playing the 5 and he wasn't going to play over Donnie.

 

[djcon57]

Maliq’s true impact was never on the offensive end, even here. He impacts the game so much more than “put the ball in the basket”

Dennis Rodman could be on our team and some posters here would ask why he can't shoot a 3.

Blame JB. He went on a PR push about needing players who can shoot while ignoring defense, for reasons, and some of our fans bought in.

That's why preseason some of us pointed out losing Brown and adding subpar defenders like Lampkin and Carlos in addition to JJ and Bell already being miserable defenders would be a PRETTY BIG DEAL. And here we are.

Do I think simply adding Brown for, say, Davis to this current team would make it better? To a degree. But not a ton.

But this is more about the thought process going on without some of our fanbase and, to a bigger concern, our coaching staff. I hope the analytics guys can bring it back to where it used to be.

 

[Scooch]

Some of you chirp constantly about 'kids these days' and how all they want is glory and money, and they don't care about putting the team ahead of themselves.

But when a guy takes a lesser role at a power because it was his dream school and he gets to pursue a title, now he's cowardly?

Some of you are friggin' insane.

 

[MikeSU02]

While starting the Orange’s final 18 games, he averaged 34.3 minutes, 9.4 points and 8.3 rebounds per game. Though not the gaudiest numbers, Brown’s efficiency stood out. The forward’s 71.3% effective field goal percentage was the third-best in the country, while his 4.12% steal percentage was the best in the ACC.
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Brown’s efficiency (64.8% eFG%) and defensive versatility (5.2% steal percentage, again the highest in the ACC) make him a perfect complement in Duke’s frontcourt to 2025’s likely No. 1 NBA Draft pick Cooper Flagg and five-star freshman Khaman Maluach.

Bold my own doing. I'm assuming some poster's eyes just started bleeding from the discussion of efficiency and advanced stats.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Nah. Eph that mentality and eph anyone who gives their tickets to those fans. I got offered to give my tickets away to a Duke fan in CNY and I refused.

Offered to give away, or offer to buy from you?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Offered to give away, or offer to buy from you?

Offered to purchase. Eph no. Glad to see the ticket brokers take a bath this year too.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Some of you chirp constantly about 'kids these days' and how all they want is glory and money, and they don't care about putting the team ahead of themselves.

But when a guy takes a lesser role at a power because it was his dream school and he gets to pursue a title, now he's cowardly?

Some of you are friggin' insane.

How is going to Duke not chasing glory and money??? He transferred to freaking Duke! He got a bag! He might get a natty too! Staying with the team who recruited him would be the non-glory and money route! How on earth would staying on this Cuse team be a sign of a kid chasing glory and money??????

When KD went to Golden State he accepted a lesser role and got to pursue a title! You must of thought that was a saintly move too!

 

[Sbucketball]

Why isn't it on the kid to stay in line better?

I don't know him at all, I assume none of us do. But he looked like a promising young player and ended up at McNeese State. It's not like schools weren't paying attention to our players.

Not true. It’s a failure for Copeland to decide he didn’t need to go to class. Why do you think he never started?

I don't know Copeland personally but from a distance, he appeared like a good-natured but rambunctious 19 year old who probably needed to be kept in line by someone he respected. Not saying he's free from responsibility but programs have immature teens and tough personalities and it's on our fully grown men coaches to make it work when possible. He probably wasn't easy to manage, but from my arms' length view it seems like he was manageable. And what aggravated me was people on here made it seem like he was an ax murderer and Red did miracle work with a bunch of malcontents. Never bought that. Ended up bad for both of them. Red's team would have been better with him this year, and if Quad stayed in line and went to class he would either be here or another power conference team instead of Mcnese state.

But, I could be wrong. I've never pretended to know everything.

 

[sufan59]

Some of you chirp constantly about 'kids these days' and how all they want is glory and money, and they don't care about putting the team ahead of themselves.

But when a guy takes a lesser role at a power because it was his dream school and he gets to pursue a title, now he's cowardly?

Some of you are friggin' insane.

From what I read in the article, it seemed like he made a cowardly move. I guarantee all of us have made a cowardly move whether big or small in our lives multiple times and it may have even been the right move. But it’s still a cowardly move based on the article. Now one thing missing from this article is quotes from Maliq himself, so we don’t know if this is how he actually felt and quite frankly he doesn’t have to share how he felt if he doesn’t want too. His mom said he loved it here and the decision was a result of changing dynamics (his class portaling out) and feeling like things were starting all over. We were going through changes and Autry appeared to be disappointed by his decision and it seemed like he was going to have a big role on and off the court as an upperclassman role model. He chose differently, and it seems like he is happy, which is the most important thing when it all comes down to it. I was just pointing out my reaction to the article in that my first thought was that it was a cowardly move that he made.

 

[Scooch]

How is going to Duke not chasing glory and money??? He transferred to freaking Duke! He got a bag! He might get a natty too! Staying with the team who recruited him would be the non-glory and money route! How on earth would staying on this Cuse team be a sign of a kid chasing glory and money??????

When KD went to Golden State he accepted a lesser role and got to pursue a title! You must of thought that was a saintly move too!

What bag? Someone tell me specifically how much NIL money he's getting from Duke.

He'd certainly get a lot more PERSONAL glory playing 35+ minutes a game at SU and being the guy who headlines our promotional material. That's what the kids all want, right? Personal attention over team success?

Criticizing Brown is cuckoo-bananas. He left because almost everyone else left, and he had a chance to go play for the premiere program in the country and pursue a championship. What a worm, right?!

 

[Scooch]

From what I read in the article, it seemed like he made a cowardly move. I guarantee all of us have made a cowardly move whether big or small in our lives multiple times and it may have even been the right move. But it’s still a cowardly move based on the article. Now one thing missing from this article is quotes from Maliq himself, so we don’t know if this is how he actually felt and quite frankly he doesn’t have to share how he felt if he doesn’t want too. His mom said he loved it here and the decision was a result of changing dynamics (his class portaling out) and feeling like things were starting all over. We were going through changes and Autry appeared to be disappointed by his decision and it seemed like he was going to have a big role on and off the court as an upperclassman role model. He chose differently, and it seems like he is happy, which is the most important thing when it all comes down to it. I was just pointing out my reaction to the article in that my first thought was that it was a cowardly move that he made.

With all due respect, I find that cowardly is a terrible word to use. Like hellaciously terrible. It suggests that Brown has a deeply flawed character, and I find that to be incredibly unfair.

You think he was AFRAID to stay at SU and get the same big minutes and workload that he did last season? He literally did what you say he was cowardly avoiding.

He made a choice, and to me it was a logical one.

 

[Fly Rodder]

How is going to Duke not chasing glory and money??? He transferred to freaking Duke! He got a bag!

How do you think Lampkin came to SU? Carlos? Jyare? Lucas Taylor? JJ?

 

[DoctahLexus]

What bag? Someone tell me specifically how much NIL money he's getting from Duke.

He'd certainly get a lot more PERSONAL glory playing 35+ minutes a game at SU and being the guy who headlines our promotional material. That's what the kids all want, right? Personal attention over team success?

Criticizing Brown is cuckoo-bananas. He left because almost everyone else left, and he had a chance to go play for the premiere program in the country and pursue a championship. What a worm, right?!

Duke is the biggest powerhouse in the freaking sport. We are a team struggling to stay afloat. There is no scenario where he would be getting more personal glory here next year! I don't think he is a bad person, and certainly do not think he is a bad basketball player, but I am a freaking Syracuse fan and Duke has been our most hated conference rival along with UNC! I will never be rational on this. If you transfer from Cuse to Duke you better be getting chirped by every Cuse fan in the world!! This would be like going to GTown back in the day! Every person who has ever put on a duke jersey can suck it! And that includes Maliq!!

 

[Fly Rodder]

Duke has been our most hated conference rival along with UNC

We are are to Duke and UNC what BC is to us. There is no rivalry there.

 

[DoctahLexus]

We are are to Duke and UNC what BC is to us. There is no rivalry there.

I do not give a crap!! Those punk asz bandwagon fans coming into the dome make me sick every time. Pretty much the happiest I have been as a Cuse fan since like 2013 was chirping those powder blue idiot UNC bandwagon fans when they were leaving the dome after we beat them last year. Our goal is to get back to how it felt in 2014 when we were joining the conference and competing with those teams for the top. Screw those teams, screw those fans, and screw anyone who plays for them.

 

[sufan59]

With all due respect, I find that cowardly is a terrible word to use. Like hellaciously terrible. It suggests that Brown has a deeply flawed character, and I find that to be incredibly unfair.

You think he was AFRAID to stay at SU and get the same big minutes and workload that he did last season? He literally did what you say he was cowardly avoiding.

He made a choice, and to me it was a logical one.

Saying someone is a coward and saying someone did something cowardly are two different things. Regarding the choice he made, yeah it is a logical one. I honestly think he brings invaluable skills to a team that he could be successful no matter where he went. But atleast according to his mom despite Autry wanting to keep him and he was loving it here, the decision to even enter the portal was due to the dynamic changing with his teammates entering the portal. Maybe he loved Syracuse, but the article reads as it was more conditional than unconditional because his situation of leaving was different given the staff didn’t want him to go.