Mark Hamill on TLJ story arc

[DoubleDee]

There were episodes 1-3 that could be made.
So obviously he was going to be part of that backstory.

In 1983, the same whiners were okay with the emperors death, because they knew there would be three more movies made 16 years later? I doubt that.

Tell all the Snoke whiners they can read a back story in an EU comic book in 2034.

I used to work with a guy who would rip apart the abilities of a tie fighter versus an x wing based on engines etc, as if they were real. I’m die hard SW nut, but I was like “wow you have issues”.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I think the difference is that 7 setup certain things as important mysteries and fired an interest in knowing about the answers. Then 8 came and almost thumbed its nose at the idea that you should care about any of those mysteries. It was a little off putting, ya know?

As for Snokes backstory: it is at least somewhat relevant. If you consider the events that have happened since 6, he is the most important person in the franchise. He is the protagonist for the entire story as it exists right now. So I’d say killing him just to kind of flip off the fan boys is a strange tactic. I feel like 9 will be done in such a way to make 8 make more sense though.

 

[Day2]

I literally was someone who didn’t see solo because I was just kinda “ehh” after TLJ. I didn’t put a lot of thought into it, just the wind was gone from the sails so to speak. TFA at least gave this “feeling” where we were back. Us fans I don’t think understood how important last Jedi would be to maintaining interest. But it was the most important for story and continued stories. Disney definitely screwed the pooch. They know it too. That’s why JJ is back.

JJ is back because of Colin Trevorrow, not Rian Johnson.

 

[AZOrange]

I think the difference is that 7 setup certain things as important mysteries and fired an interest in knowing about the answers. Then 8 came and almost thumbed its nose at the idea that you should care about any of those mysteries. It was a little off putting, ya know?

As for Snokes backstory: it is at least somewhat relevant. If you consider the events that have happened since 6, he is the most important person in the franchise. He is the protagonist for the entire story as it exists right now. So I’d say killing him just to kind of flip off the fan boys is a strange tactic. I feel like 9 will be done in such a way to make 8 make more sense though.

Not shooting the messenger here but if people don’t think Disney and Kathleen Kennedy had/have their hands all over this franchise and this is the result of some rogue director that’s just crazy.

The standalone movie/story stuff didn’t exist 30 years ago. That’s cause for a lot of backstory being left out...

I felt like TLJ followed a similar path as ESB. The issue they couldn’t account for was Carrie Fishers death. She was going to have a very big role in 9.

 

[HOFCeluck]

With one more episode to go and endless potential for stand alone movies I still feel confident that we will never get any more backstory on Snoke. Because Disney doesn't like money.

 

[Alsacs]

With one more episode to go and endless potential for stand alone movies I still feel confident that we will never get any more backstory on Snoke. Because Disney doesn't like money.

I honestly don’t get why fans not being a fan of a movie is a problem.
I have a cousin born in the 70s went to USC film school grew up a huge Star Wars fan and pretty much all Sci-Fi as kid.
He works in LA for WB. He has worked for Frank Darabont personally as an assistant on Green Mile, Shawshank, Redemption, The Mist, LA Noir, and Walking Dead(don’t get me started on this lawsuit) he spends way to much on movie collectibles and has one of the 100 actual helmets they used for Darth Vader in the original trilogy in his home in a glass protection.
He has kids he brought up to love Star Wars and even though he wasn’t a huge fan of episodes 1-3 his kids loved them.

Bringing this back to TLJ. He was so depressed after this movie and I am telling you he was like they are just runining the franchise for fans who have been loyal. Killing everyone off and the story sucked and he joked right after he saw it they are just going to be bring Lando back just to kill him in episode 9 and it’s funny because they just announced Billy Dee will be in episode 9 this week.
When we talked at Christmas about it he was disappointed as he loved the franchise and thought episode 8 was just not good.

The TLJ being disliked by fans isn’t because people want to hate it. I thought TFA was good and step up a good trilogy while TLJ was just a waste of a trilogy. There were no shock storylines created. JJ IMO will clean it up but make no mistake TLJ has legit critics. Not the twitter mob stupidity crap but actual criticism.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I honestly don’t get why fans not being a fan of a movie is a problem.
I have a cousin born in the 70s went to USC film school grew up a huge Star Wars fan and pretty much all Sci-Fi as kid.
He works in LA for WB. He has worked for Frank Darabont personally as an assistant on Green Mile, Shawshank, Redemption, The Mist, LA Noir, and Walking Dead(don’t get me started on this lawsuit) he spends way to much on movie collectibles and has one of the 100 actual helmets they used for Darth Vader in the original trilogy in his home in a glass protection.
He has kids he brought up to love Star Wars and even though he wasn’t a huge fan of episodes 1-3 his kids loved them.

Bringing this back to TLJ. He was so depressed after this movie and I am telling you he was like they are just runining the franchise for fans who have been loyal. Killing everyone off and the story sucked and he joked right after he saw it they are just going to be bring Lando back just to kill him in episode 9 and it’s funny because they just announced Billy Dee will be in episode 9 this week.
When we talked at Christmas about it he was disappointed as he loved the franchise and thought episode 8 was just not good.

The TLJ being disliked by fans isn’t because people want to hate it. I thought TFA was good and step up a good trilogy while TLJ was just a waste of a trilogy. There were no shock storylines created. JJ IMO will clean it up but make no mistake TLJ has legit critics. Not the twitter mob stupidity crap but actual criticism.

I mean I don't have a problem with people who aren't fans. I thought it was kind of "meh."

 

[HoustonCuse]

To be clear, I am convinced it is too soon to crush TLJ, particularly how they handled Snoke because the story isn’t over yet. There are probably several things they could do in 9 that would make TLJ suddenly seem a lot more awesome.

Also, while I was initially pretty disappointed when I saw it in the theater, I did buy the disc and watched it about a month ago and appreciated the movie more on the second viewing.

 

[Day2]

TLJ was just a waste of a trilogy.

Have you trademarked this yet?

 

[Alsacs]

Have you trademarked this yet?

I love the fact my posts causes these posts from you.
Honestly I love it when you respond to one of my posts. My stuff always elicits a reaction from you I used to care now I love it.

 

[Pearl309]

JJ is back because of Colin Trevorrow, not Rian Johnson.

I know CT backed out, and from what I’ve read he backed out due in large part to disagreements with RJ.
CT is widely known as an a hole. So by proxy JJ is back because Of RJ. At least by rumor.

 

[Day2]

I know CT backed out, and from what I’ve read he backed out due in large part to disagreements with RJ.
CT is widely known as an a hole. So by proxy JJ is back because Of RJ. At least by rumor.

The disagreements were with Kennedy, some of which included RJ’s choices in TLJ. That’s the rumor. A stretch to put that on RJ, who was also considered for IX before Kennedy ultimately went with JJ.

 

[Pearl309]

The disagreements were with Kennedy, some of which included RJ’s choices in TLJ. That’s the rumor. A stretch to put that on RJ, who was also considered for IX before Kennedy ultimately went with JJ.

Well whatever man. We’re all here now.

 

[Ghost]

while i am sure there are political messages in these movies, i dont even notice them since they are movies and fun. its just like 9th grade english where you have to read a book and look for all the hidden meanings many of which the author didnt even intend.

I'm not a huge Star Wars person, but I've seen all the films. That whole casino plot line was stupid. I think when you watch a movie, you should try to be subtle and never want to alert the viewer to the fact that you're being spoon-fed a message as it sort of takes you out of the film.

To me, that was incredibly jolting - they may as well have stopped the film and had Morgan Freeman read me a political message during that one sequence where they start discussing the Empire buying jets from the same people as the Resistance.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Yeah that’s who I’m talking about...it’s really crazy. They got Rose to leave Twitter!

My son showed me a Facebook post by Ahmed Best, the actor who played Jar Jar, and one who most people wouldn't be able to recognize in a small crowd since no one ever saw him. The post showed a picture of he and his young son at a scenic cliff. He goes on to say that he nearly ended his life at that very spot several years ago due to the backlash he received from SW fans who despised his character. Said that playing Jar Jar ruined his career. He has pushed through the hardship and now feels blessed that he didn't give up. The picture was cathartic.

I admit that I hated that character, but it had nothing to do with the actor. There were lots of kids who liked it, which is what Lucas was going for. People who chose to take out their frustrations on Ahmed directly are assclowns. He took the brunt of a lot of misplaced anger from diehards that should have been directed at Lucas. Jar-Jar was Lucas' CGI wetdream gone wrong.

Social media is the strong with the Dark Side.

 

[orangenauburn]

They also messed up doing a solo standalone first. They should have done Obi Wan first with Ewan McGregor

This is the story of episode 8 boiled down.
First order chasing Resistance.
Luke not wanting to train Rey.
Kyle becoming new leader of First Order.
The story didn’t tell enough. It was a waste a trilogy.
More should have been told.
Abrams has his work cut out. Johnson isn’t being asked again to write a Star Wars movie in this trilogy they know they screwed up.
The movie that may not get told now is the Boba Fett stand alone movie which sucks as that would have been a cool story.

 

[Chip]

TLJ was a waste of a trilogy episode.

They turned Luke into an EMO baby.
The Leia space scene was dumb.
The story of the First Order just chasing the Resistance was so dumb and didn’t move the story at all.
I like Finn but they wasted him with Rose.
The casino planet stuff was just beyond political and pointless.
The Snoke getting killed without his story even being touched was stupid.
The movie overall sucked.
I respect Star Wars and saw Solo but the movie hurt Solo at the box office.

You and my wife should get together and go bowling.

Her feedback was almost identical.

 

[Pearl309]

Man I rewatched over the weekend and the moment Luke tossing his light Sabre just set the movie down such a ADD level cluster.
Compared with tfa, which at least followed a formula we all know and love, it was just sooo bizarre. I still can’t believe the powers that be signed off on the script. May have been too caught up with TFA critics complaining it was essentially a remake and going opposite.

 

[Pearl309]

Star Wars: Episode IX Cast Announced | StarWars.com

Guess they’re saving ewan mcgregor and Hayden Christianson as surprises.

 

[Alsacs]

So now its been confirmed that JJ Abrams had a story written for VIII-IX but Kathleen Kennedy gave Rian Johnson complete control over TLJ and he kept literally nothing from the script Abrams left.

Johnson/Kennedy should be gone from Star Wars movies.

 

[Alsacs]

This review is close to how I feel about TLJ. The stuff about Luke was 100% on.
How anyone with a sane mind can claim that character in TLJ was anything close to what Luke Skywalker was the original trilogy is close to impossible.

 

[Pearl309]

So now its been confirmed that JJ Abrams had a story written for VIII-IX but Kathleen Kennedy gave Rian Johnson complete control over TLJ and he kept literally nothing from the script Abrams left.

Johnson/Kennedy should be gone from Star Wars movies.

Episode 9 better be like 4 hours long to make up for tlj

 

[RF2044]

This review is close to how I feel about TLJ. The stuff about Luke was 100% on.
How anyone with a sane mind can claim that character in TLJ was anything close to what Luke Skywalker was the original trilogy is close to impossible.

Along those same lines:

How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended

 

[Alsacs]

Along those same lines:

How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended

The ending is awesome.
Akbar just saying don’t we have a plan.
I mean Laura Dern’s character had ZERO reason for not telling the Resistance her plan.
It was just pure stupid and was part of Johnson making the movie political.

 

[Pearl309]

The ending is awesome.
Akbar just saying don’t we have a plan.
I mean Laura Dern’s character had ZERO reason for not telling the Resistance her plan.
It was just pure stupid and was part of Johnson making the movie political.

That was Johnson’s biggest problem was trying to do some smart commentary or whatever he tried. It completely went over my head on first watch, and ended up just huh?