MARRONE...He is what he is...

[IthacaBarrel]

Sideline Doug is not necessarily the same guy as coaching Doug or locker room Doug.

Agree, I am as critical of Marrone as anyone, his sideline demeanor is a non issue IMO

 

[realcusefan888]

I don't know, that is why I asked. I like the fact that Marrone doesn't get too high or low on the sideline and it gives the players a calming influence.

yes...a calming influence...just what the sport of football calls for...maybe they can even start perfroming team yoga in the locker room pregame...center themselves...

 

[wfschrec]

yes...a calming influence...just what the sport of football calls for...maybe they can even start perfroming team yoga in the locker room pregame...center themselves...

Please ... cited was the example of how he jumped all over Hay during the Rutgers game last season and it translated so well to this season as he racks up a PF every single week ... he has come to the conclusion that getting on some of these kids just isn't effective ... we applaud him for not going all Brian Kelly but then when we lose he should ... his sideline demeanor is the least of the issues.

Frankly I love how its tagged that Doug isn't getting these kids up for a game ... priceless ... what does everyone need to be chased around and kicked in the backside to get up for a game? Honestly? I played sports in high school and needed no motivation to get up to play a game ... Ray Lewis doesn't ask Harbaugh for stirring speeches ... nor should the team captains at SU. If you need someone to constantly chase you around and motivate you to play a violent collision based sport then you are a pantywaist that should find a new hobby.

 

[wfschrec]

When RG3 leaves Baylor will have another good QB, obviously not the dymanic playmaker that RG3 is but they will have another good qb, IMO. Sure, geography doesn't hurt but the system helps a hell of a lot as well. Again, strong college system, stems from Mike Leach, with strong recruiters at the O coordinator position, who have mostly lower level college experience and a lot of high school experience and recruiting contacts. It's Briles system, no disputing that and it originates from Mike Leach at T Tech as does Holgorsen's

Ok and your point is? I was addressing the fact that he had one other in state offer ... truthfully I find it shocking that he did since he was 6'3" ... nearly 200lbs with world class speed and a cannon attached to his shoulder but that is neither here nor there. I did not mention future recruiting although I did state that Texas is a hotbed and that is an advantage to Baylor. I could care less about a system or who runs what honestly because there are advantages and disadvantages to each system its like the 2-3 zone vs man to man argument in hoops ... you could wear yourself out talking about it ...

 

[GoSU96]

thank you...briles turned around a worse situation in a much tougher league and somehow got an amazing talent in griffin to come there...but in the end even, with all that talent, he goes for it on offense. part of my point is we watch teams with amazing talent play deceptive offense, use the entire field each and every week...

Worse situation, really?

I'll save you the time, no way was Baylor in worse shape than SU, period.

As far as turnaround, he's 22-25 through this last game.

Here's Briles record, his first three years, 15-22, (4-8, 4-8, 7-6) And he's had this tremendous talent at QB for four years. (Looks like he was injured as a Sophmore and took a redshirt after his third game)

Marrone with two games left, and coming into a worse situation, 17-18.

Current records, 7-3 vs 5-5. Wow, what an impressive difference.

 

[kingottoiii]

Worse situation, really?

I'll save you the time, no way was Baylor in worse shape than SU, period.

As far as turnaround, he's 22-25 through this last game.

Here's Briles record, his first three years, 15-22, (4-8, 4-8, 7-6) And he's had this tremendous talent at QB for four years. (Looks like he was injured as a Sophmore and took a redshirt after his third game)

Marrone with two games left, and coming into a worse situation, 17-18.

Current records, 7-3 vs 5-5. Wow, what an impressive difference.

Comparing Briles and Marrone at this point is silly. Technically Marrone has done better thus far. And what happens when Briles loses RGIII?

That being said Baylor was in worse shape. We are talking about a program that had ONE 5 win season from 1996-2007. Yes a 5 W season was their best record over the 12 years prior to Briles taking over. You continue to vastly overrated how bad a situation we were in. GRob may have been the most inept HC of all time. His bad HCing cost us several Ws a year. Add those in and Marrone took over a team with 5 W talent. We weren't as bad as our 3 W record stated. In addition a lot of GRob's recruits were young. So the cupboard wasn't bare.

We should wait until next year is over to evaluate Marrone. There is no reason why we shouldn't have a break through year.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Worse situation, really?

I'll save you the time, no way was Baylor in worse shape than SU, period.

As far as turnaround, he's 22-25 through this last game.

Here's Briles record, his first three years, 15-22, (4-8, 4-8, 7-6) And he's had this tremendous talent at QB for four years. (Looks like he was injured as a Sophmore and took a redshirt after his third game)

Marrone with two games left, and coming into a worse situation, 17-18.

Current records, 7-3 vs 5-5. Wow, what an impressive difference.

Big2 versus Big East though, you can't even compare the two scenarios, you really can't, it's pointless. Baylor has always been a doormat in the Big 12

 

[Millhouse]

Worse situation, really?

I'll save you the time, no way was Baylor in worse shape than SU, period.

As far as turnaround, he's 22-25 through this last game.

Here's Briles record, his first three years, 15-22, (4-8, 4-8, 7-6) And he's had this tremendous talent at QB for four years. (Looks like he was injured as a Sophmore and took a redshirt after his third game)

Marrone with two games left, and coming into a worse situation, 17-18.

Current records, 7-3 vs 5-5. Wow, what an impressive difference.

what do you think the line would be if they played?

 

[rrlbees]

what do you think the line would be if they played?

baylor -24

 

[GoSU96]

Big2 versus Big East though, you can't even compare the two scenarios, you really can't, it's pointless. Baylor has always been a doormat in the Big 12

Are you saying it makes a difference what the condition of a program was before the new guy took over?

 

[GoSU96]

what do you think the line would be if they played?

What difference does that make?

 

[Millhouse]

What difference does that make?

you said there wasn't much difference between their 7-3 record and our 5-5 record

i think there is a pretty big difference when considering schedules and that it would be reflected in them being huge favorites over us

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Are you saying it makes a difference what the condition of a program was before the new guy took over?

I am saying you can't compare the two situtaions, and yes sure it makes a difference what shape the program was in but when you can't recruit over any skill guys I don't think that bodes well. I am not saying that Marrone was left with much, but in year 3 in the worst BCS conference being 1-4 doesn't look very good on the progress meter. We are dead last in the worst BCS conference, what does that tell you?

Baylor is playing well in a legit BCS conference, with a win versus TCU this year. He has done a nice job there, Baylor has been a doormat for 50 years.

Marrone's hourglass for being judged with no mention of GROB is winding down, year 4 should be it, no way to spin it

 

[GoSU96]

you said there wasn't much difference between their 7-3 record and our 5-5 record

i think there is a pretty big difference when considering schedules and that it would be reflected in them being huge favorites over us

The point being made above is that the coach at Baylor has done such a tremendous job vs what Marrone has done.

The premises of this claim being 1) Baylor was in a worse position than SU when both took over, 2) Baylor has substantially out performed SU over that time frame.

Both are false.

 

[GoSU96]

when you can't recruit over any skill guys

What do you want? 5th year senior Chew is losing PT every week. The only reason Bailey is getting as many snaps as he is because he is a 4th year senior that has played ever since he got here backed up by freshmen. Are you saying Provo should be benched? Nassib is the 46th ranked QB this week, are you saying he should be sitting?

 

[kirbivore]

Have you seen what Coach Briles has done at Baylor?!

Texas talent helps. Even 3rd tier Texas guys are better than most in the northeast.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

What do you want? 5th year senior Chew is losing PT every week. The only reason Bailey is getting as many snaps as he is because he is a 4th year senior that has played ever since he got here backed up by freshmen. Are you saying Provo should be benched? Nassib is the 46th ranked QB this week, are you saying he should be sitting?

No, I am saying that at this point they should have more skill guys that marrone has recruited making a difference, that is what I am saying. All I read here for 3 years is we don't have the athletes, etc etc. One of the reasons we don't have them yet is because these guys aren't recruiting well enough. I understand that the NYC kids are raw, the O Line prospects need 2 years, most of them.

I am saying that Nassib is very limited in his skill set, he can't throw the ball down the field accuractely. I would say that if Marrone could recruit, that yes he would have been benched because he isn't very good and is very limited. I think the concern is valid consdiering what we read earlier today as well coming from deepthrow, the notion that this staff has their together in the recruiting area is not accuracte. If you are going into Boscoe with that Schtick, you are pissing in the wind

 

[syr02esq]

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Griffin_III

Again only one other in state offer ... to play with Briles at Houston and then followed him to Baylor ... please don't try to fabricate something and pawn it off as fact ... thanks!

Can you please point to where in that wiki article it states that RGIII had only one offer? Regardless, it's not like Wiki is very accurate to begin with.

 

[syr02esq]

Texas talent helps. Even 3rd tier Texas guys are better than most in the northeast.

Agreed.

 

[wfschrec]

Can you please point to where in that wiki article it states that RGIII had only one offer? Regardless, it's not like Wiki is very accurate to begin with.

It states where he had interest ... and offers ... Houston and Baylor were the instate offers and it is consistent with every other recruiting site out there ... rivals and scout ... must be wiki, scout and rivals are all wrong ... go figure.

 

[SoBristol]

What do you want? 5th year senior Chew is losing PT every week. The only reason Bailey is getting as many snaps as he is because he is a 4th year senior that has played ever since he got here backed up by freshmen. Are you saying Provo should be benched? Nassib is the 46th ranked QB this week, are you saying he should be sitting?

You do realize that Chew is hurt, right? Bailey is getting so many snaps because Gulley is hurt, but otherwise the reserves aren't good enough to have much impact as sophs (Smith) or frosh (Moore). The WRs who have been recruited haven't had much impact yet either, with West being the only useful guy. West hasn't matched what Sales or Lemon did as frosh. No way would I suggest Nassib should be benched -- but a fair observation is that our reserve QBs haven't shown much so far. I like most of what Marrone has been doing, but the one big gap is the failure to add offensiveplaymakers to the mix.

 

[syr02esq]

It states where he had interest ... and offers ... Houston and Baylor were the instate offers and it is consistent with every other recruiting site out there ... rivals and scout ... must be wiki, scout and rivals are all wrong ... go figure.

I'm sorry I'm a little slow. Can you show me where in the Paragraph below it states that Baylor and U of H were his only offers?


, a college football recruiting service, ranked Griffin the fourth-best dual-threat quarterback in the nation and the 42nd-best player in Texas in the high school prospect class of 2008.[4] During the college recruiting period, Griffin was pursued by Stanford, Tennessee, Kansas, Nebraska, Houston, Tulsa, Illinois, Washington State, and Oregon. Griffin initially committed to play for the University of Houston under head coach Art Briles. When Briles left Houston to take the head coaching position at Baylor, Griffin switched his commitment and eventually signed a National Letter of Intent to play for Baylor.[5]

 

[sufandu]

I'm sorry I'm a little slow. Can you show me where in the Paragraph below it states that Baylor and U of H were his only offers?

, a college football recruiting service, ranked Griffin the fourth-best dual-threat quarterback in the nation and the 42nd-best player in Texas in the high school prospect class of 2008.[4] During the college recruiting period, Griffin was pursued by Stanford, Tennessee, Kansas, Nebraska, Houston, Tulsa, Illinois, Washington State, and Oregon. Griffin initially committed to play for the University of Houston under head coach Art Briles. When Briles left Houston to take the head coaching position at Baylor, Griffin switched his commitment and eventually signed a National Letter of Intent to play for Baylor.[5]

Wfschrec said instate offers. That list is consistent with what he said. Houston and Baylor were the only two Texas schools on that list. Considering how good he is, it illustrates the point that the Texas, A&M, and Texas Tech throw aways are still more talented than what is available in NY. Someone else had pointed out that everyone else wanted him for positions other than QB. In regards to that, he slipped through the cracks as well because if everyone knew how good he was going to be they'd have all offered for QB.

 

[SmilinBob]

Baylor's season kind of reminds me of McNabbs senior year in 98 when SU went 9-4 and played a schedule from hell. Good team with a great qb and horrible defense. Beat some really good teams and lost to some good teams. That was the best SU and Baylor can do with a qb's like that and I want more.

 

[realcusefan888]

No, I am saying that at this point they should have more skill guys that marrone has recruited making a difference, that is what I am saying. All I read here for 3 years is we don't have the athletes, etc etc. One of the reasons we don't have them yet is because these guys aren't recruiting well enough. I understand that the NYC kids are raw, the O Line prospects need 2 years, most of them.

I am saying that Nassib is very limited in his skill set, he can't throw the ball down the field accuractely. I would say that if Marrone could recruit, that yes he would have been benched because he isn't very good and is very limited. I think the concern is valid consdiering what we read earlier today as well coming from deepthrow, the notion that this staff has their together in the recruiting area is not accuracte. If you are going into Boscoe with that Schtick, you are pissing in the wind

thats been part of my point barrel...i think we have adequate athletes to run a more "offensive" offense but i agree that nassib is limited. that said, we had this year and have next year to go for it...not protect him, but take some shots...and i dont mean everytime we throw downfield program ryan to overthrow by 10 yards always avoiding the pick...in 2013 we will most likely be trotting out hunt (hopefully) or broyld...where does that leave the offense? as you said, there has been zero development behind nassib puching and pressuring him...