Marrone is not a Jet

[orangenirvana]

I'm not defending Marrone and I don't think he's an exceptionally good coach, but I can definitely see him winning more than 4 games with the Jets. I really think Rex Ryan is an overrated coach who for a supposed great defensive coordinator always found a way to let big plays happen on his defense in clutch situations. He also has a long track record of bringing in sub-par OC's which he just did again hiring Greg Roman. As a 49'ers fan the one bright spot of losing Harbaugh was the fact that I won't be subjected to him as the OC anymore.

Ryan is a defensive head coach who has great defenses. Marrone is an offensive head coach who has awful offenses.

What makes Greg Roman sub-par? And I ask this admitting I know little-to-nothing about him.

But Roman took an offense that in the four years prior to he and Harbaugh finished #32, #27, #23, and #24 in DVOA. An average ranking of 26.5.

With Roman as OC the offense finished #18, #5, #8 and #16 in DVOA from 2011-2014. An average ranking of 11.8.

Think the criticism has to do with a fanbase becoming spoiled and Roman being a victim of his own success?

 

[sufandu]

This was why I commented the other day that people overthink the debate about a coach being "great".

Coughlin inherited a BC program that was every bit as bad as Robinson-era SU, and was coming off a massive gambling scandal, and had them ranked as high as 9th in his second season.

Marrone beat 2 FCS teams and got to the Pinstripe Bowl, never sniffing the top 25, in year 2.

Then Coughlin took the expansion Jags to the AFC Championship game in their 2nd year of existence.

Marrone went 9-7 in year 2 with a gift win against a Pats team that wasn't trying to get that winning record.

Oh, and Coughlin won two Super Bowls.

Marrone's "rebuilding" resume pales terribly in comparison.

Interestingly, the Jags regular season record that second year was the same as the Bills this year.

 

[Millhouse]

You're right. But the original comparison was personalities. You brought up success not the poster you quoted. Yes Coughlin had success... and failure. Three losing seasons to finish his time there at least comes close to canceling out the winning seasons.

you're mixed up. go back to the first page and read my response to upstate

 

[Millhouse]

Ryan is a defensive head coach who has great defenses. Marrone is an offensive head coach who has awful offenses.

What makes Greg Roman sub-par? And I ask this admitting I know little-to-nothing about him.

But Roman took an offense that in the four years prior to he and Harbaugh finished #32, #27, #23, and #24 in DVOA. An average ranking of 26.5.

With Roman as OC the offense finished #18, #5, #8 and #16 in DVOA from 2011-2014. An average ranking of 11.8.

Think the criticism has to do with a fanbase becoming spoiled and Roman being a victim of his own success?

ryan is a bet that the jets roster stinks

roman is a bet that kaepernick is a lousy passer

they're not terrible bets.

 

[Upstate]

There were 4 million reasons for him to leave. Period.

Marrone built a winner? Please. He's not an awful coach but Coughlin won Super Bowls. Marrone didn't make the playoffs.

I didn't say Marrone is on par with Tom. All I said is that to tame the NY media, you just have to win.

 

[Full_Rebar]

The Niners built a better offense around a quality OL and RB's. Rex wants to run the ball and not screw the defense. The Bills just avoided the worst rushing season in their history. It's going to take some work, so Bills fans should be patient.

 

[Upstate]

What makes you think Marrone could win with a Jets team that went 4-12 under Rex Ryan?

Well, for one, he took a team ready to go to the AFC Championship and ran them into the ground. I guess it has some to do with the front office, though. In the lower third of the league in points for and points against. Don't think Rex is that great of a coach. I'd be interested in seeing what Doug could do there. But, alas, we'll never know. Plus, I'd have guessed Doug gets the Giants gig before the Jets.

 

[sufandu]

you're mixed up. go back to the first page and read my response to upstate

You're right. The thing is TC didn't do those things in two years with the Giants. No one knows what Marrone would've done in Buffalo with a longer tenure and a decent front office. Maybe he falls flat on his face. Maybe some star QB's dad allows his son to go to Buffalo and they have some good playoff runs following mediocre seasons.

BTW, I'm not trying to paint DM as great. It's just that anything involving him gets blown way out of proportion on this board because of the way he left SU.

 

[kjb120]

Ryan is a defensive head coach who has great defenses. Marrone is an offensive head coach who has awful offenses.

What makes Greg Roman sub-par? And I ask this admitting I know little-to-nothing about him.

But Roman took an offense that in the four years prior to he and Harbaugh finished #32, #27, #23, and #24 in DVOA. An average ranking of 26.5.

With Roman as OC the offense finished #18, #5, #8 and #16 in DVOA from 2011-2014. An average ranking of 11.8.

Think the criticism has to do with a fanbase becoming spoiled and Roman being a victim of his own success?

Romans play calling since the Super Bowl on has been baffling and has pretty much went against what he was known for which is creative running schemes. Also his inability to make kaepernick better or at least put him in situations to succeed greatly dropped off in the last two years which brought out many of the flaws in his game.

As for Ryan, he does have good defenses but I still think he's overrated because of the fact that his defenses always seem to fail in critical moments.

 

[kjb120]

ryan is a bet that the jets roster stinks

roman is a bet that kaepernick is a lousy passer

they're not terrible bets.

Well get ready for some mind numbing offensive calls from Roman. For a guy who should know Kaepernick is a bad passer he sure did try to rely on him more than his running game which is what the 49'ers should have been focusing on.

 

[Millhouse]

Well get ready for some mind numbing offensive calls from Roman. For a guy who should know Kaepernick is a bad passer he sure did try to rely on him more than his running game which is what the 49'ers should have been focusing on.

I expect to hate the offense

 

[SUFan44]

Well, for one, he took a team ready to go to the AFC Championship and ran them into the ground. I guess it has some to do with the front office, though. In the lower third of the league in points for and points against. Don't think Rex is that great of a coach. I'd be interested in seeing what Doug could do there. But, alas, we'll never know. Plus, I'd have guessed Doug gets the Giants gig before the Jets.

Hahaha. Well for the record, Marrone took one of the best running offenses in the league and ran it into the ground. With virtually the same personnel.

 

[BuffOrange]

Well get ready for some mind numbing offensive calls from Roman. For a guy who should know Kaepernick is a bad passer he sure did try to rely on him more than his running game which is what the 49'ers should have been focusing on.

Funny I'm worried about him being from the run-heavy dinosaur school of football.
They were the 7th most run-heavy team. With Stevie Johnson as their 4th receiving option + Kaep's 3rd year + OL wasn't as great as it once was.

 

[orangenirvana]

Well get ready for some mind numbing offensive calls from Roman. For a guy who should know Kaepernick is a bad passer he sure did try to rely on him more than his running game which is what the 49'ers should have been focusing on.

Was that Roman's call, though?

 

[kjb120]

Was that Roman's call, though?

From what I've heard yes.

 

[OrangeDW]

Let's not paint Coughlin out to be Bill Walsh. He was one game over .500 in his first two seasons with the Giants. Marrone was one game under in two seasons with the Bills.

Anyway, the comparison was about personalities, not coaching success. Coughlin has never been a media darling and Marrone has never had a near player revolt. Sounds like their personalities may not be all that different.

The Giants were 4-12 before he got there. They went 11-5 and won the NFC East in year 2.

I'm a Marrone "defender" on here and think he did a great job at SU and nice job in Buffalo and is a pretty good coach, but nothing he's done can really compare to what Coughlin has done in any way.

 

[sufandu]

The Giants were 4-12 before he got there. They went 11-5 and won the NFC East in year 2.

I'm a Marrone "defender" on here and think he did a great job at SU and nice job in Buffalo and is a pretty good coach, but nothing he's done can really compare to what Coughlin has done in any way.

And they were a 10-6 playoff team the year before the 4-12 season and in the Super Bowl 2 years before that. Buffalo had 8 consecutive losing seasons and hadn't been to the playoffs for 13 years before Marrone got there. Which situation sounds like an easier rebuild?

I'm not trying to say Marrone has been as successful as Coughlin. He obviously hasn't. I'm saying he hasn't been around enough to know how good he is and his two year record at Buffalo wasn't that different than Coughlin's two years with the Giants. Also, nobody is going to confuse the Bills front office with the Giants'.

 

[Millhouse]

And they were a 10-6 playoff team the year before the 4-12 season and in the Super Bowl 2 years before that. Buffalo had 8 consecutive losing seasons and hadn't been to the playoffs for 13 years before Marrone got there. Which situation sounds like an easier rebuild?

I'm not trying to say Marrone has been as successful as Coughlin. He obviously hasn't. I'm saying he hasn't been around enough to know how good he is and his two year record at Buffalo wasn't that different than Coughlin's two years with the Giants. Also, nobody is going to confuse the Bills front office with the Giants'.

kelly holcomb and alex van pelt don't have much relevance to the team now. who cares about 8 years ago, all those players are gone

 

[rrlbees]

And they were a 10-6 playoff team the year before the 4-12 season and in the Super Bowl 2 years before that. Buffalo had 8 consecutive losing seasons and hadn't been to the playoffs for 13 years before Marrone got there. Which situation sounds like an easier rebuild? I'm not trying to say Marrone has been as successful as Coughlin. He obviously hasn't. I'm saying he hasn't been around enough to know how good he is and his two year record at Buffalo wasn't that different than Coughlin's two years with the Giants. Also, nobody is going to confuse the Bills front office with the Giants'.

Many posts trying to defend Marrone or justify a record compared to other coaches, come across as if he was fired. He chose to leave.

 

[sufandu]

kelly holcomb and alex van pelt don't have much relevance to the team now. who cares about 8 years ago, all those players are gone

So the caliber of player at Buffalo when Marrone took over was as good as the caliber of player at NY when Coughlin took over? Come on, you're better than that. Don't just resort to sarcasm to refute facts.

 

[sufandu]

Many posts trying to defend Marrone or justify a record compared to other coaches, come across as if he was fired. He chose to leave.

I know that. What was the sentiment amongst Bills fans on this board concerning him prior to him leaving? It certainly wasn't one of wanting him to stay.