Marrone is not a Jet

[elimunelson]

This was why I commented the other day that people overthink the debate about a coach being "great".

Coughlin inherited a BC program that was every bit as bad as Robinson-era SU, and was coming off a massive gambling scandal, and had them ranked as high as 9th in his second season.

Marrone beat 2 FCS teams and got to the Pinstripe Bowl, never sniffing the top 25, in year 2.

Then Coughlin took the expansion Jags to the AFC Championship game in their 2nd year of existence.

Marrone went 9-7 in year 2 with a gift win against a Pats team that wasn't trying to get that winning record.

Oh, and Coughlin won two Super Bowls.

Marrone's "rebuilding" resume pales terribly in comparison.

Scooch not to pick hairs but the gambling scandal was with Henning post Coughlin. He merely inherited Cowboy Jack's inept team from the late 80s.

You guys realize that GMs want to see coaches do hard things like take an EJ Manuel team to a 10 win ledge vs sitting out hte year b/c "it's too hard" and the new ownership may consider me a failure and want to fire me if i do bad (how odd!).

Please remove Coughlin from the Marrone examples. If Coughlin sniffed about wanting to be the Syracuse HC at age 70 i'd drive to NJ to pick him up and drop him off at Manley.

 

[longislandcuse]

4 million dollar consultant.

Nice gig.

Why do people think this is a good move? He seriously jeopardized his chances of coaching in the NFL. He didn't get fired, he would've made more if he signed the extension and now he's gone from "sexiest coach on the market" to possibly a consultant? Perhaps Pegula pushed him out and we don't know what went on behind the scenes but right now, this is looking like a bad move on Marrone's part.

 

[Millhouse]

Why do people think this is a good move? He seriously jeopardized his chances of coaching in the NFL. He didn't get fired, he would've made more if he signed the extension and now he's gone from "s e xiest coach on the market" to possibly a consultant? Perhaps Pegula pushed him out and we don't know what went on behind the scenes but right now, this is looking like a bad move on Marrone's part.

i really doubt pegula did that. i think marrone started to believe his own bullsh!t and took the gamble. if he wants to be a head coach and if this sets him back more than a year, it's a bad move. but who knows if that's the case? he should find something else to do for his own happiness.

 

[djorange1989]

Doug is Doug's own worst enemy. he is no way even close to Coughlin as far as accomplishment but he is a good coach. However, he is going to continually shoot himself in the foot. The guy is, in a word, unhappy. Unhappy people do things to sabotage themselves whether they realize it or not. Even if he lands a HC job this offseason, it may not last long. He will get frustrated by his owner, his GM, the media, the fans, the way the fans treat him and his family. Same as Buffalo and same as SU(just substitute AD and board of trustees for owner/GM).

 

[Scooch]

Scooch not to pick hairs but the gambling scandal was with Henning post Coughlin. He merely inherited Cowboy Jack's inept team from the late 80s.

You guys realize that GMs want to see coaches do hard things like take an EJ Manuel team to a 10 win ledge vs sitting out hte year b/c "it's too hard" and the new ownership may consider me a failure and want to fire me if i do bad (how odd!).

Please remove Coughlin from the Marrone examples. If Coughlin sniffed about wanting to be the Syracuse HC at age 70 i'd drive to NJ to pick him up and drop him off at Manley.

Oops, may bad.

I mean, to be fair, BC has had so many gambling scandals it's hard to keep them all straight.



That aside, I was a BC fan as a kid and watched Bicknell's post-Flutie years. They were increasingly ugly. His last three years were 3-8, 2-9, 4-7. Nine wins. Robinson's last 3 years... 9 wins. After Coughlin's first year (4 wins, sound familiar?) he went 8-3-1 and was ranked 21st, then went 9-3 and was ranked 13th (not sound familiar?)

THAT, my dear friends, is a coach that knows how to rebuild. Quickly and with tremendous national success. THAT is a great coaching job.

 

[elimunelson]

Oops, may bad.

I mean, to be fair, BC has had so many gambling scandals it's hard to keep them all straight.



That aside, I was a BC fan as a kid and watched Bicknell's post-Flutie years. They were increasingly ugly. His last three years were 3-8, 2-9, 4-7. Nine wins. Robinson's last 3 years... 9 wins. After Coughlin's first year (4 wins, sound familiar?) he went 8-3-1 and was ranked 21st, then went 9-3 and was ranked 13th (not sound familiar?)

THAT, my dear friends, is a coach that knows how to rebuild. Quickly and with tremendous national success. THAT is a great coaching job.

i will add that had Coughlin stayed at BC for another 2-3 years you can argue that the ascent of Syracuse would have been seriously compromised. I fail to see Konrad coming to SU vs a Coughlin led BC team and I see us probably having major issues with them in 95-97 time frame when BC got knocked back by the gambling scandal.

In other words that great coaching job, thankfully, was short lived b/c it allowed the mid 90s Orange team to take over as the top dog in the East (or one of the top 2)

 

[KaiserUEO]

comparing doogie to TC is like comparing me to Warren Buffet, why bother??

if Parcells didnt leave the Giants in mid-may in 91, TC mightve gotten the Giants job then, he was that highly thought of.

it will be interesting to see what doogie thinks of himself. is he a confident SOB who is a HC and is willing to sit out a year till hes a HC again, like TC???

or will he go crawling to one of his buddies to put him on a staff to 'stay in the game' he just willingly left???

TC went to the combine in 03 and evaluated players like he had a job. everyone in the league knew he was getting a gig in 04, just where was the question.

is that how doogie is thought of??

 

[OrangeFoo]

Coughlin is tough and thick-skinned enough to deal very well in NYC. Many are. Not sure Marrone is yet.

Marrone might be best in a town where he can be bigger than the media. I think he's a good coach that will be back with a HC title, but if reports about his controlling nature ring true, he doesn't need the biggest market to be very successful.

The town you describe is Buffalo, NY. He succeeds with the Bills there and he would own that town... if he actually won a SB there the city would literally put up for a sainthood. But he threw all of the good will away by being an arrogant a$$ and trying to be like Belicheck to the press. Guess what Dougie, Belicheck has a bunch of Super Bowls, you're not even a .500 coach. If he couldn't get along with the press in Buffalo he's not going to get along with it in any NFL city.

I for one never want Saint Doug near a team that I care about ever again. Never have so many words been wasted debating the merits of a below-average coach.

 

[Chip]

The town you describe is Buffalo, NY. He succeeds with the Bills there and he would own that town... if he actually won a SB there the city would literally put up for a sainthood. But he threw all of the good will away by being an arrogant a$$ and trying to be like Belicheck to the press. Guess what Dougie, Belicheck has a bunch of Super Bowls, you're not even a .500 coach. If he couldn't get along with the press in Buffalo he's not going to get along with it in any NFL city.

I for one never want Saint Doug near a team that I care about ever again. Never have so many words been wasted debating the merits of a below-average coach.

I think Atlanta would be perfect for him in a lot of ways. Media can't be that tough down there, wife is from somewhere down near there. There's an owner issue, but trying to play the game of the perfect situation of owner/GM that let him do whatever he wants isn't something he's earned yet, and he's just going to have to get used to until that point.

Haven't heard anything about him being on Atlanta's radar. Not that these things don't just pop up out of nowhere with NFL jobs. (like Bowles to the Jets).

 

[007]

comparing doogie to TC is like comparing me to Warren Buffet, why bother??

if Parcells didnt leave the Giants in mid-may in 91, TC mightve gotten the Giants job then, he was that highly thought of.

it will be interesting to see what doogie thinks of himself. is he a confident SOB who is a HC and is willing to sit out a year till hes a HC again, like TC???

or will he go crawling to one of his buddies to put him on a staff to 'stay in the game' he just willingly left???

TC went to the combine in 03 and evaluated players like he had a job. everyone in the league knew he was getting a gig in 04, just where was the question.

is that how doogie is thought of??

The TC to DM stuff is ridiculous at best.

Ryan Pace, with the NO Saints the last 13 years, was just named GM at Chicago. Wonder what he thinks of DM?

 

[Ozcuse]

This was why I commented the other day that people overthink the debate about a coach being "great".

Coughlin inherited a BC program that was every bit as bad as Robinson-era SU, and was coming off a massive gambling scandal, and had them ranked as high as 9th in his second season.

Marrone beat 2 FCS teams and got to the Pinstripe Bowl, never sniffing the top 25, in year 2.

Then Coughlin took the expansion Jags to the AFC Championship game in their 2nd year of existence.

Marrone went 9-7 in year 2 with a gift win against a Pats team that wasn't trying to get that winning record.

Oh, and Coughlin won two Super Bowls.

Marrone's "rebuilding" resume pales terribly in comparison.

 

[Upstate]

coughlin has 2 rings, 9 playoff appearances, and needs to lose 26 in a row to be 2 games under 500 like marrone. give me a break comparing them

I'm not comparing them for their record, but I think, it's pretty safe to assume that Doug and Coughlin aren't media darlings. They both have the demeanor that kinda accepts that they have to do engagements and just get through it. They're much more introverted and business-like compared to, say, Rex Ryan or Pete Carroll.

ETA: I think Doug could win in NY. Which would make it easier for him than it was for Rex.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not comparing them for their record, but I think, it's pretty safe to assume that Doug and Coughlin aren't media darlings. They both have the demeanor that kinda accepts that they have to do engagements and just get through it. They're much more introverted and business-like compared to, say, Rex Ryan or Pete Carroll.

riiiiighhhhht

 

[Scooch]

I'm not comparing them for their record, but I think, it's pretty safe to assume that Doug and Coughlin aren't media darlings. They both have the demeanor that kinda accepts that they have to do engagements and just get through it. They're much more introverted and business-like compared to, say, Rex Ryan or Pete Carroll.

ETA: I think Doug could win in NY. Which would make it easier for him than it was for Rex.

Rex went to AFC Champ games his first 2 years , that's a good deal of winning for the NYJ. He had it relatively easy in NY even as his team's performance got worse and worse, because fans and media alike really liked him personally.

 

[orangenirvana]

ETA: I think Doug could win in NY. Which would make it easier for him than it was for Rex.

What makes you think Marrone could win with a Jets team that went 4-12 under Rex Ryan?

 

[sufandu]

coughlin has 2 rings, 9 playoff appearances, and needs to lose 26 in a row to be 2 games under 500 like marrone. give me a break comparing them

Let's not paint Coughlin out to be Bill Walsh. He was one game over .500 in his first two seasons with the Giants. Marrone was one game under in two seasons with the Bills.

Anyway, the comparison was about personalities, not coaching success. Coughlin has never been a media darling and Marrone has never had a near player revolt. Sounds like their personalities may not be all that different.

 

[kjb120]

What makes you think Marrone could win with a Jets team that went 4-12 under Rex Ryan?

I'm not defending Marrone and I don't think he's an exceptionally good coach, but I can definitely see him winning more than 4 games with the Jets. I really think Rex Ryan is an overrated coach who for a supposed great defensive coordinator always found a way to let big plays happen on his defense in clutch situations. He also has a long track record of bringing in sub-par OC's which he just did again hiring Greg Roman. As a 49'ers fan the one bright spot of losing Harbaugh was the fact that I won't be subjected to him as the OC anymore.

 

[Ottoble]

The only reason I'm upset about this is, the Rex and Marrone swap would have allowed me to quote 'Bum' Phillips incessantly for two weeks out of the year. You guys would have loved that. Though I'm not sure either of these guys qualify to be used in reference to a quote about Don Shula.

"He can take His'n and beat Your'n and he can take Your'n and beat His'n" There I did it anyways, I feel better now.

 

[Millhouse]

i can't wait to listen to the rex press conference. he hit it out of the park apparently. not that it matters but it's something

 

[Millhouse]

Let's not paint Coughlin out to be Bill Walsh. He was one game over .500 in his first two seasons with the Giants. Marrone was one game under in two seasons with the Bills.

Anyway, the comparison was about personalities, not coaching success. Coughlin has never been a media darling and Marrone has never had a near player revolt. Sounds like their personalities may not be all that different.

marrone and coughlin were compared. you brought up walsh not me

marrone was 2 games under. fwiw. and coughlin had already had success in jax

 

[SUFan44]

And Tom Coughlin is? It's all about winning. Win in NY and you won't get shat on. Tom did it. Marrone did it in Buffalo and fans still shat on him. No wonder he wanted out.

There were 4 million reasons for him to leave. Period.

Marrone built a winner? Please. He's not an awful coach but Coughlin won Super Bowls. Marrone didn't make the playoffs.

 

[cmr27]

Normally, you never quit one job without having another one lined up. It doesn't look like Doug has a landing spot as of now unless he knows one of the four remaining HCs is about to pack it in. Maybe BB is going to ride off into the sunset after one more SB and Marrone thinks he has a shot to go to NE?

Why would a guy in his prime willingly sit out for a year? You only have so many years on this planet. There are only 32 HC jobs in the NFL. Why take yourself out of the game willingly. I don't get it.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Rex went to AFC Champ games his first 2 years , that's a good deal of winning for the NYJ. He had it relatively easy in NY even as his team's performance got worse and worse, because fans and media alike really liked him personally.

he did have it easy. the smear job was a 1 man effort and it was started at end of 12 by the news and mehta, but at that point the bloom was off the rose.

2011 was the 'guarantee' year and well, we all know how that ended. Cruz 99yd TD is the unofficial begining of the end...

2012 mehta came after him hard about the locker room being split and quoting all unnamed sources, then with revis going down...it was all downhill.

2013 the post jumped on board and had him on the cover of the football preview in a clown suit and nose, but the hate was really just mehta.

2014 was just a death march, it was more rubbernecking than anything else. the end was quite known.

TC has been the guy with all the hate. 06 and then mid-07, then a smattering in 10...and then of course 13 & 14. theyve all asked for his firing 5x publically and a whole lot more in just the beat articles.

 

[longislandcuse]

i can't wait to listen to the rex press conference. he hit it out of the park apparently. not that it matters but it's something

He def took some shots at Marrone.

 

[sufandu]

marrone and coughlin were compared. you brought up walsh not me

marrone was 2 games under. fwiw. and coughlin had already had success in jax

You're right. But the original comparison was personalities. You brought up success not the poster you quoted. Yes Coughlin had success... and failure. Three losing seasons to finish his time there at least comes close to canceling out the winning seasons.