Marrone Thoughts

[IthacaBarrel]

part of the reason i'm so hung up on strategy is because it's low hanging fruit that doesn't cost anything.

fans of backwater non factories might not care as much about the NFL and might be more willing to go along with crazy stuff than people who've watched NFL game after NFL game. old habits die hard.

i like higher variance strategies because i prefer 10-2 and 2-10 to 6-6 (obviously oversimplifying)

Marrone was a really good teacher and leader but i don't think he was great on low hanging fruit. Hell, on Sunday he made two horrendous decisions to kick in the 4th quarter. He got away with it because he had Mario Williams.

Shafer is even worse. Putting the garage band back together is not a way to pluck low hanging fruit.

Yes, I tend to agree with you, if we are ever going to have another really good 3-4 year run it will take somebody who can really put an offense together and we must put a few playmakers out there, they don't need to all have NFL talent just be cohesive. Out of the box coaching and take recruiting up a notch, yes I think we can win again for a stretch. Like I said, I don't care all that much anymore What they do, but the deck is stacked for sure and one has to wonder if we have a really solid group scheming on offense but at least GMC is recruiting although what is on the field right now is 100% junk no matter what way you look at it, there is no plan no system just a bunch of junk and he has a one running back and a center, IMO. I don't really see much in Broyld either, don't see what the big deal is there. He looks like TE to me with TE speed who doesn't want to block and who is scared to catch the ball in the middle of the field, BFD. The plays he catches the ball on are designed for smaller, quicker, faster players. There is a reason why he doesn't have a position. What we need is a 6-4 225 guy in space with average speed!!!

Shafer could hire that guy, I just don't know if he will. Defense is almost behind special teams at this point when it comes to the 3 disciplines in college football, you just need to outscore people at this point, kick the ball well and make a few plays on ST. Like my chances

 

[orangenirvana]

Marrone was a really good teacher and leader but i don't think he was great on low hanging fruit. Hell, on Sunday he made two horrendous decisions to kick in the 4th quarter. He got away with it because he had Mario Williams.

Marrone got killed all week when he decided to go for it on 4th down vs. the Bengals. I prefer he stick to his guns but the meathead mentality isn't limited to football coaches.

 

[Millhouse]

Marrone got killed all week when he decided to go for it on 4th down vs. the Bengals. I prefer he stick to his guns but the meathead mentality isn't limited to football coaches.

he got killed by concussed sh!thead ex player color commentators. to hell with them. i don't think he got it that bad from fans. i'm sure there are some whiner line calls on wgr but i don't think it was bad.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

part of the reason i'm so hung up on strategy is because it's low hanging fruit that doesn't cost anything.

Yep.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

he got killed by concussed sh!thead ex player color commentators. to hell with them.

You're on your game today.

 

[Crusty]

I would have to spend more time before giving a grade, but I don't think there is any doubt that the overall athletic ability of the team is vastly superior to where we were at the end of the 2008 season.

I love Reddish, Morgan, Eskridge, Tulley, Foy, Trudo, Morris, McFarland, Lynn, Davis, Spriull and on and on.

We have a ways to go but we are very athletic.

I found his press conferences to be very informative and interesting. I did not like it when for a few games during the 2011 season he tried to implement the Andy Reid approach - "I have to do a better job" - but I found that if you listened to him, he explained a lot about the game and the coaching profession.

I agree with the team improvement - everybody does. I found his pressers pretty dull mostly but I was really thinking about his relationship with reporters not readers. BTW I don't mind the approach DM took with the press - just was trying to be objective in grading him.

I would be interested in your grades where you disagree with mine when you get around to it. Anyone else's as well.

 

[Crusty]

Huh?

Marrone and Hackett are completely different types of people. It's not like they're friends who go way back.

I was talking about football wise not personality. They thought the same way about offense.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Yep.

Instead of trying to out recruit Miami we should be bringing in innovators not meatheads. We need 4 really good seniors last year to be good on O. I though Hack and Marrone did a great job last year but that O should not be a 1 in every 15 year O, we shouldn't be waxing poetic about it like it was BAYLOR'S O down the road, if we are shoot me or I will take the second foot out the door

 

[Millhouse]

and we have only been waiting for 20 years.. we were good back in the day because our scheme was innovative and had a some athletes at skill positions

i'll never forget the pit in my stomach the first time i read the gerg was going to go with the west coast offense.

catastrophically bad idea to let the NFL tell you which college offense to run. recently it's been the other way around.

on average, i think defensive coaches are dumber head coaches. muschamp is the defensive meathead of the moment. it's amazing how bad florida's offense is. they were amazing, won championships, then muschamp comes in and says ok we're going to go bland and makes things easier for our defense.

spurrier to zook to meyer to muschamp. there are some meatheads in florida that insist on replacing great offensive head coaches with stupid defensive ones.

i don't know how i'm turning this into a florida thread. my point is that everyone is stupid. everyone who wants to make their living in this savage game either crazy or brain damaged. all we need to be is a little less dumb than the others, we don't even need to be smart

 

[IthacaBarrel]

i'll never forget the pit in my stomach the first time i read the gerg was going to go with the west coast offense.

catastrophically bad idea to let the NFL tell you which college offense to run. recently it's been the other way around.

on average, i think defensive coaches are dumber head coaches. muschamp is the defensive meathead of the moment. it's amazing how bad florida's offense is. they were amazing, won championships, then muschamp comes in and says ok we're going to go bland and makes things easier for our defense.

spurrier to zook to meyer to muschamp. there are some meatheads in florida that insist on replacing great offensive head coaches with stupid defensive ones.

i don't know how i'm turning this into a florida thread. my point is that everyone is stupid. all we have to do is just be a little less stupid. we don't even have to be smart.

YES. Lets just be less dumb as everyone else!!! Hear that Bullough you meathead. What I will never understand is why a defensive HC wouldn't go out and find the best OC at a smaller college and ing hire him.. Jesus, Chip Kelly was at UNH 6 years ago, now he is the head coach of the freaking Eagles. Why not hire a proven commodity from a smaller stage? Then a retread from another school or a guy that has never done the job before. Obviously exceptions everywhere but What.

Go find the best 1AA coordinator and bring him in if I was a HC who was a DC, I will take my chances versus a position coach. What I wouldn't give to have an offense that scores points more than once in 15 years, is that too much to ask?

 

[Bayside44]

The obsession on this board not, directed to you personally, with Marrone leaving is infantile at Best Buy. They're only 32 jobs at the pinnacle of his profession. He has one of them now. He was never going to take a better college job because that would have been a direct slap in the face of his alma mater. Better job, better money, better lifestyle, better employee, easy choice.

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I don't believe that part about a college job to be true at all.

 

[Millhouse]

YES. Lets just be less dumb as everyone else!!! Hear that Bullough you meathead. What I will never understand is why a defensive HC wouldn't go out and find the best OC at a smaller college and hire him.. Jesus, Chip Kelly was at UNH 6 years ago, now he is the head coach of the freaking Eagles. Why not hire a proven commodity from a smaller stage? Then a retread from another school or a guy that has never done the job before. Obviously exceptions everywhere but What.

Go find the best 1AA coordinator and bring him in if I was a HC who was a DC, I will take my chances versus a position coach

the problem is that there are meatheads out there who say scheme shmeme it's all speed (some of the briles threads here come to mind). as if running some bullsh!t conventional muddle offense is going to bring the speed to syracuse

 

[GoSU96]

I agree with the team improvement - everybody does. I found his pressers pretty dull mostly but I was really thinking about his relationship with reporters not readers. BTW I don't mind the approach DM took with the press - just was trying to be objective in grading him.

I would be interested in your grades where you disagree with mine when you get around to it. Anyone else's as well.

You aren't going to find a better, more open, relationship with a beat reporter than Marrone had with Rahme.

 

[orangenirvana]

I was talking about football wise not personality. They thought the same way about offense.

If you're saying Marrone would have been better off hiring a previously successful recruiter with contacts like McDonald than promoting someone who ended up knowing how to run a decent offense then that's an interesting debate.

The OC and HC should be on the same page and I'm sure Hackett wasn't promoted because Marrone felt he was a puppet, I'm sure he had original ideas that he brought to the table. Marrone probably also recognized that he has the personality type that generally attracts recruits.

I don't think that we should just assume that the offense would be having an equally tough time now if Marrone/Hackett hadn't left. My guess is they would have figured out a way to make Loeb/Hunt at least look like Division 1 football players.

 

[GoSU96]

Instead of trying to out recruit Miami we should be bringing in innovators not meatheads. We need 4 really good seniors last year to be good on O. I though Hack and Marrone did a great job last year but that O should not be a 1 in every 15 year O, we shouldn't be waxing poetic about it like it was BAYLOR'S O down the road, if we are shoot me or I will take the second foot out the door

I thought that they should have talked to Phil Montgomery.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

the problem is that there are meatheads out there who say scheme shmeme it's all speed (some of the briles threads here come to mind). as if running some bullsh!t conventional muddle offense is going to bring the speed to syracuse

Princeton and Forham are both averaging over 525 yards on O, what's wrong with their coordinators? Not even, ing C Kelly went from UNH to Oregon!!! Oh no what about the recruiting territory!!! OH THE HORROR!!!

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I thought that they should have talked to Phil Montgomery.

You either promote the hot OC to HC or you promote the hot OC at a smaller school to be your OC at a bigger school but GD why hire a position coach to learn on the job. Why? because he can recruit and no other way we get him if we don't promote him but its a bit frustrating having to live with it this year, hopefully it gets better with experience and talent.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I thought that they should have talked to Phil Montgomery.

BUT THE RECRUITING TERRITORY!!!! NORTHEAST TIES!! because there is so much great talent in the northeast

 

[Millhouse]

I thought that they should have talked to Phil Montgomery.

no time like the present

 

[rrlbees]

The obsession on this board not, directed to you personally, with Marrone leaving is infantile at Best Buy. They're only 32 jobs at the pinnacle of his profession. He has one of them now. He was never going to take a better college job because that would have been a direct slap in the face of his alma mater. Better job, better money, better lifestyle, better employee, easy choice.

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I don't buy for 1 second that when Marrone took the SU job that he had any thought at all of being an NFL head coach.


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[rrlbees]

BUT THE RECRUITING TERRITORY!!!! NORTHEAST TIES!! because there is so much great talent in the northeast

You're smarter than that. Of course you recruit where you can get the best kids and use assts relationships elsewhere. But there is a reason every SU coach going back to MAC has said our core recruiting area is a 6 hour radius of SU. And that's so one of your selling points is that parents can fairly easily come see their kid play.


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[rrlbees]

You aren't going to find a better, more open, relationship with a beat reporter than Marrone had with Rahme.

No doubt there. But media relations are more than having 1 great one.


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[Millhouse]

You're smarter than that. Of course you recruit where you can get the best kids and use assts relationships elsewhere. But there is a reason every SU coach going back to MAC has said our core recruiting area is a 6 hour radius of SU. And that's so one of your selling points is that parents can fairly easily come see their kid play.

how's that working out for us

 

[rrlbees]

how's that working out for us

Hit and miss. Worked well for Mac and P. Spotty for Grob and Marrone with the exception of NYC for Marrone. Look at the 4 kids we miss the most on offense from last year. Nassib, Pugh, Lemon and Sales were all within that radius. Saying your core area is a 6 hour radius doesn't mean it's the only recruiting area. You focus on it and then cherry pick other areas based on someone's relationship or some connection.

I still maintain if we are to get back to the 90's, we focus hard on that 6 hours including NJ, stay connected in Florida, then use whatever connections we have to specific kids or high schools. That means having on staff coaches that know the NE, someone with big NJ connections, and someone that can maintain some Florida presence.


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[Millhouse]

Hit and miss. Worked well for Mac and P. Spotty for Grob and Marrone with the exception of NYC for Marrone. Look at the 4 kids we miss the most on offense from last year. Nassib, Pugh, Lemon and Sales were all within that radius. Saying your core area is a 6 hour radius doesn't mean it's the only recruiting area. You focus on it and then cherry pick other areas based on someone's relationship or some connection.

I still maintain if we are to get back to the 90's, we focus hard on that 6 hours including NJ, stay connected in Florida, then use whatever connections we have to specific kids or high schools. That means having on staff coaches that know the NE, someone with big NJ connections, and someone that can maintain some Florida presence.

part of the reason why miss nassib is because we recruit a bunch of NYC qbs who can't throw the ball to save their life

find texas qbs who want to play from day 1 and run their high school offense. everyone else, fine, use whatever radii