Maryland Gameday...

[All4SU]

Conference flips a bit next year, don't get me wrong UVa has a ton of young talent and ND and Duke aren't exactly hurting either but all have major graduation losses. Shellenberger, Cormier, Kastner, their goalie and others are gone, Duke loses O'Neil, Dyson, Naso, Multiple defenders, Zawada and others, ND loses Pat Kavanaugh, Taylor, Conlin, Entenmann, Multiple middies etc.

No one loses anything. The portal assures that.

 

[JeremyCuse]

No one loses anything. The portal assures that.

Oh they'll definitely be active in the portal but a number of those guys are irreplaceable. You can't Portal a Shellenberger or an O'Neil or a Kavanaugh

 

[orange79]

I gave my impression of the SU team after the first game against Vermont last year, and (as always happens in this forum) I got killed for my thoughts, which actually again turned out to be correct (we went 1-5 in the ACC and had no postseason). I also said at that time that Spallina was too slow to win 1 on 1 match ups (top D1 defenders will not allow him to overpower them), and you guys killed me for that, too. Spallina’s passing is elite, absolutely, and he may end up being the all-time SU leading scorer (and he also seems like a great kid), but if he can’t consistently beat top tier defenders, then, sorry, he’s not leading us to a Final Four. Gait didn’t even have enough confidence to even give him the ball in overtime…

Hard to imagine you "getting killed" last year when you joined the site yesterday.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Lost 12-13 to MD in OT in February. Pack it in folks. That’s the main thing I hate about these on goal heartbreakers. Ball bounces different one time and all these people firing off the most dramatic takes you have ever freaking seen are nowhere to be found. One goal loss to MD and now the O stinks, the D stinks, the coach stinks, the strategy stinks, our best players stink. We are getting the same lecture from Md fans over at fanlax like they dominated the game. OT loss and somehow we are the only team with problems. One finish point blank finish from Thomson and all these losers don’t hop online. Way she goes around here, but man what a nightmare. Forgive me if I think everything is not broken after an OT loss to MD in February.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Lost 12-13 to MD in OT in February. Pack it in folks. That’s the main thing I hate about these on goal heartbreakers. Ball bounces different one time and all these people firing off the most dramatic takes you have ever freaking seen are nowhere to be found. One goal loss to MD and now the O stinks, the D stinks, the coach stinks, the strategy stinks, our best players stink. We are getting the same lecture from Md fans over at fanlax like they dominated the game. OT loss and somehow we are the only team with problems. One finish point blank finish from Thomson and all these losers don’t hop online. Way she goes around here, but man what a nightmare. Forgive me if I think everything is not broken after an OT loss to MD in February.

It's written in the scriptures...

lose a non-conference game by 1 goal to a Top 4 team in February, and your season is officially over.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Lost 12-13 to MD in OT in February. Pack it in folks. That’s the main thing I hate about these on goal heartbreakers. Ball bounces different one time and all these people firing off the most dramatic takes you have ever freaking seen are nowhere to be found. One goal loss to MD and now the O stinks, the D stinks, the coach stinks, the strategy stinks, our best players stink. We are getting the same lecture from Md fans over at fanlax like they dominated the game. OT loss and somehow we are the only team with problems. One finish point blank finish from Thomson and all these losers don’t hop online. Way she goes around here, but man what a nightmare. Forgive me if I think everything is not broken after an OT loss to MD in February.

Yup no reason to go in a full panic. Some definite issues and concerns but we saw a lot of good things on Sat. Fanlax is a good read at times and others its totally off the wall. SU suddenly never leaves the Dome and the fans were saying they were bound for Memorial day before the game ( absolutely no one said that). There's a handful of posters who conflated the IL article with actual SU fans. Funny the same site wrote a war and peace article on Hopkins but you don't hear a peep about that.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[All4SU]

Oh they'll definitely be active in the portal but a number of those guys are irreplaceable. You can't Portal a Shellenberger or an O'Neil or a Kavanaugh

Understood. But anyone can leave any program at any time. There is no way to predict it.

 

[wgdsr]

Oh they'll definitely be active in the portal but a number of those guys are irreplaceable. You can't Portal a Shellenberger or an O'Neil or a Kavanaugh

you're correct about shellenberger, but the hoos lost a great deal more last year than they will lose for next year. cormier is a goal scorer. kastner can be a v good defender. their goalie is a junior, and there may not be a dropoff when his backup eventually takes over.

they're actually pretty young. and if boyden is convinced to return, will bring back even more of their personnel. what they're doing in early offense this year may be a prelude to life without shellenberger. take the unsettled.

 

[swish7]

I question Gary Gait’s vision of ball movement lacrosse, because I’m just not sold on its results against the top teams. Ball movement is great in man-up and against lesser trams, but what about the rest of the game and against good trams? All SU great teams and all Final Four teams have multiple players that can beat their man 1 on 1 and then score or draw a slide and create a scoring opportunity for someone else. When has ball movement been enough to get to the Final Four? The irony is that Gary Gait’s playing style was all about beating his defender 1 on 1.

I gave my impression of the SU team after the first game against Vermont last year, and (as always happens in this forum) I got killed for my thoughts, which actually again turned out to be correct (we went 1-5 in the ACC and had no postseason). I also said at that time that Spallina was too slow to win 1 on 1 match ups (top D1 defenders will not allow him to overpower them), and you guys killed me for that, too. Spallina’s passing is elite, absolutely, and he may end up being the all-time SU leading scorer (and he also seems like a great kid), but if he can’t consistently beat top tier defenders, then, sorry, he’s not leading us to a Final Four. Gait didn’t even have enough confidence to even give him the ball in overtime…

Rhoa and Leo can both dodge and shoot, and their 1 on 1 skills saved us yesterday (in addition to Kohn), but our Attack, as a unit, stunk. Although why would Tillman keep short stick defenders on Rhoa and Leo?! Glad he did, or else we would have been blown out. However, don‘t expect other good teams to make the same mistake. Relying on ball movement to score without having a single attackman that win a 1 on match-up is not a good recipe (obviously we don’t need all of our attackmen to be dodgers, because we need a finisher). But Mule is not a dodger, Hiltz (the biggest disappointment on the team) is not a dodger, and Spallina doesn’t have the speed to dodge (can’t they get him to work with track coaches to improve his speed?), so who initiates the offense for us on attack? What about playing Trey Deere on attack? At least give him a chance? Or maybe just keep doing pick plays for Spallina to free him up? Is there any other attackman on the bench that dodge? We saw what a good dodger can do against us, because Erksa was clearly the best player on the field yesterday.

I’m not really seeing a Final Four attack unit here, sorry. Beating up on lesser teams or in our man-up opportunities with beautiful ball movement is great (and I do appreciate the great passing vision of so many of our players), but how can we get back to the Final Four with only having 2 players (both middies) that can beat their defenders and score 1 on 1? It’s been 11 darn years since we made a Final Four… so let’s go!

Spallina getting shut down on his dodges is concerning. Lots to work on.

How we respond is what matters.

Instead of jumping into the top 4, we instead have a lot to prove yet. Stay hungry, keep grinding, and get that W against a top 4 team maybe a little later & we'll be OK.

 

[JeremyCuse]

you're correct about shellenberger, but the hoos lost a great deal more last year than they will lose for next year. cormier is a goal scorer. kastner can be a v good defender. their goalie is a junior, and there may not be a dropoff when his backup eventually takes over.

they're actually pretty young. and if boyden is convinced to return, will bring back even more of their personnel. what they're doing in early offense this year may be a prelude to life without shellenberger. take the unsettled.

Yup as I noted UVA has a ton of young talent and more coming in next year plus the portal. All that said Shellenberger and Cormier are massive losses, nothing against Millon or the dude they flipped from Brown or Colsey or even Boyden if he returns (he and Kohn at SU both have an extra year but I don't' think either uses it) but they aren't Shellenberger arguably the top Qb attackmen in the country and top 2 overall behind probably just O'neil and Cormier the all time leading scorer. I know your looking at the glass half full aspect as a UVA fan but to say Cormier is just a goal scorer is a massive undersell.

UVA doesn't lose the amount of players they lost from last year to this season going in 2025 but id argue they lose more quality with their top 2 O players and their top close defender gone.

 

[orangecuse]

Hard to imagine you "getting killed" last year when you joined the site yesterday.

Perhaps, he joined yesterday under a different handle this year after deleting his account from last?

In any event, I found his take pretty constructive for the most part. His questioning of our attack's lack of production, et al from Saturday wasn't really any different from Jeremy's observations, comments, etc. right after the game.

I did find his comments about Spallina a bit intriguing. From my observations of him last year as well as this year to date (mainly as he mentions against higher quality teams/defense personnel) it does appear that flat out speed is something he lacks relative to the upper echelon type dodgers.

 

[UrbanaOrange]

I am about 30 mins into this podcast. It has been a good listen. They were both complimentary to the SU fanbase and the atmosphere at the Dome on Saturday.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Perhaps, he joined yesterday under a different handle this year after deleting his account from last?

In any event, I found his take pretty constructive for the most part. His questioning of our attack's lack of production, et al from Saturday wasn't really any different from Jeremy's observations, comments, etc. right after the game.

I did find his comments about Spallina a bit intriguing. From my observations of him last year as well as this year to date (mainly as he mentions against higher quality teams/defense personnel) it does appear that flat out speed is something he lacks relative to the upper echelon type dodgers.

There is a lot I disagree with in his post, but to keep it relatively brief - "Gait didn't even have enough confidence to give Spallina the ball in overtime." What on earth is wrong with going back to the matchups that have been working for us the whole game? How is that a knock on Spallina? I assure you, name any elite coach, they are not trying to go after the Zappitello match up in OT. We were exploiting the short stick matchups, they were getting results, so we kept forcing the issue there.

We were staring down the barrel of two different shots from 10 yards in OT, even before the Leo controversy. That does not mean that the guys who were not dodging at that time all suck! Mule and Hiltz took 4 shots total the whole game. Wonder what would have happened if they put a pole on Leo and Rhoa and someone like Mule or Hiltz had a short stick matchup. Hiltz would have 5 gs and he would be in here saying our midfield dodging was terrible!

I assure you I could go on. It is unwise to make statements on the dodging ability of guys who we barely needed to dodge all game. We were getting all kinds of looks against one of the better defenses in the country. Our offball guy had the biggest case of the yips I have seen in years. Even then we got to 12 gs on an elite defense/goalie.

 

[JeremyCuse]

There is a lot I disagree with in his post, but to keep it relatively brief - "Gait didn't even have enough confidence to give Spallina the ball in overtime." What on earth is wrong with going back to the matchups that have been working for us the whole game? How is that a knock on Spallina? I assure you, name any elite coach, they are not trying to go after the Zappitello match up in OT. We were exploiting the short stick matchups, they were getting results, so we kept forcing the issue there.

We were staring down the barrel of two different shots from 10 yards in OT, even before the Leo controversy. That does not mean that the guys who were not dodging at that time all suck! Mule and Hiltz took 4 shots total the whole game. Wonder what would have happened if they put a pole on Leo and Rhoa and someone like Mule or Hiltz had a short stick matchup. Hiltz would have 5 gs and he would be in here saying our midfield dodging was terrible!

I assure you I could go on. It is unwise to make statements on the dodging ability of guys who we barely needed to dodge all game. We were getting all kinds of looks against one of the better defenses in the country. Our offball guy had the biggest case of the yips I have seen in years. Even then we got to 12 gs on an elite defense/goalie.

Zapitello is one of if not the best close defender in the country. Attacking him in OT versus the middie who had 4 goals and was constantly getting open would have been malpractice. SU does need more out of Hiltz and Mule in these matchups but getting a good look in OT was not a problem, we got 3 of them.

 

[SUlax88-09]

Hard to imagine you "getting killed" last year when you joined the site yesterday.

Ya, sorry for the confusion, but I actually joined a few years ago. I typically give my impressions/predictions of the team early on every lax season (usually after a win; no point in kicking a team when they’re down; this time I waited though because I was really curious how our offense would do against a top defense), then I get ridiculed by many, and then I end up being right (actually unfortunately; I honestly wish my critiques of the team were wrong). I’d much rather be wrong and have us make a Final Four run! Some on this forum were pretty brutal to me last year after my predictions, so I just cancelled my account. I no longer live anywhere near Syracuse, and where I live lax is not very popular, no less SU lax. I love SU lax and I miss being able to talk about it with people that are also passionate about it, so I re-opened my account. I wish my old posts were still available, too. I’m fine with people disagreeing with my takes, but I’m not sure why some have to be so mean about it.

 

[Powellfan]

Some random thoughts ... I couldn't watch the game live, and couldn't help myself from looking at the score before watching so I might have a different sort of perspective of this game.

-My initial thought was this game would be a lot like last year's Duke game. In the sense that that game was a quality win the Orange could have "stole". They were outplayed for the majority of that Duke game in the Dome, but Mark had a million saves and Duke hit a million pipes and somehow the Orange had a chance to win in overtime. After watching this game however, it felt much differnt. to me, Syracuse looked like the better team for three quarters. I know I am biased, but this made me feel like Syracuse was "at the level". I came away thinking Syracuse should have won that game instead of thinking Syracuse could have won that game.

-The biggest surprise of this young season has been Finn Thomson's struggles. I just did not see this sort of shooting slump coming. I said preseason the guy I want shooting more was Thomson. How he went from shooting 40% to under 10% is mystifying. I am not sure how he gets his confidence back but he needs to find it.

-I see a lot of people calling for Birtwistle to moved to the first line, but why not Rhoa? Especially after last game it seems like he should be considered. He has such a good shot, and is such an underrated dodger. The only hesitancy is if you destroy whatever is left of Thomson's confidence. Do the coaches let him figure this out on his own? For all the criticism he is getting he has just two fewer points than Rhoa, and has two more than English. Perhaps we just need to let him figure it out. Season is still young.

-I thought the defense overall looked pretty good. Maryland clearly had a plan, play out the shot clock and work to find the open man. They really like coming around from x and finding a cutter on the other side. The defense, to me looked a lot more comfortable with their slides and recoveries and while the ssdms outside of Rice looked shaky, I think they did an adequate job. Overall I was impressed and I loved the move to a zone defense late in the game to throw Maryland off.

-It's a little thing but I liked Oderina's body language for the game, looks relaxed but engaged as you could see him giving the defense animated directions from the sidelines. A lot has been made in the press about how he "lets you be your own boss", but after watching this game you can tell he does plenty of coaching. Its quite a contrast from who was in charge of the defense last year.

-Biggest question after this game for me is who takes the number one attackman going forward? It wasn't all Figuerias fault, but Brandon Erksa had himself quite a game and burned the redshirt freshman more than a couple of times. Figuerias had the nice play where he dropped him to the turf late, but overall Erksa won that matchup. Do they eventually move Dwan over to take on Alphas? Not giving up on Figuerias at all but things are going to get a lot tougher as the season progresses.

-Have to give Kohn a ton of credit, that was a physical matchup against one of the games best and he stood his own. In hindsight, I may have gone to Mullen late to get someone fresh on the field, considering how taxing some of those face-offs were, but overall you have to be thrilled with that performance.

 

[tech37]

Zapitello is one of if not the best close defender in the country. Attacking him in OT versus the middie who had 4 goals and was constantly getting open would have been malpractice. SU does need more out of Hiltz and Mule in these matchups but getting a good look in OT was not a problem, we got 3 of them.

Hiltz and Mule did tie the score 12-12. After going up 11-9 with a few mins left, credit Terps getting 3 unanswered which lead to those two connecting to tie it up. They were well guarded throughout game credit to Terps D. Hiltz's excellent pass to Mule while blanketed and Mule's sweet finish was huge right when Cuse needed to be.

 

[Powellfan]

Yup as I noted UVA has a ton of young talent and more coming in next year plus the portal. All that said Shellenberger and Cormier are massive losses, nothing against Millon or the dude they flipped from Brown or Colsey or even Boyden if he returns (he and Kohn at SU both have an extra year but I don't' think either uses it) but they aren't Shellenberger arguably the top Qb attackmen in the country and top 2 overall behind probably just O'neil and Cormier the all time leading scorer. I know your looking at the glass half full aspect as a UVA fan but to say Cormier is just a goal scorer is a massive undersell.

UVA doesn't lose the amount of players they lost from last year to this season going in 2025 but id argue they lose more quality with their top 2 O players and their top close defender gone.

Don't like looking forward to next year when this year is still so young, but UVA does look to be in the best shape of the big three ACC teams. Duke to me looks to be in the worst shape as they lose their starting attack, their best defender their fogo, etc. I am not sure what they will do at attack, move McAdory back probably (again), perhaps Balsamo but that doesn't seem to be up to their typical standards. Notre Dame will still have Chris Kavanaugh and Eric Dobson, and they will always have a good goalie, but Pat Kav is a big loss.

The portal probably won't be quite as plentiful as it has been recetnly, but there are some good Ivy League players in there already. And of course right now these three teams have the top three recruiting rankings for next year according to IL. So if they are "down" they won't be for long.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Don't like looking forward to next year when this year is still so young, but UVA does look to be in the best shape of the big three ACC teams. Duke to me looks to be in the worst shape as they lose their starting attack, their best defender their fogo, etc. I am not sure what they will do at attack, move McAdory back probably (again), perhaps Balsamo but that doesn't seem to be up to their typical standards. Notre Dame will still have Chris Kavanaugh and Eric Dobson, and they will always have a good goalie, but Pat Kav is a big loss.

The portal probably won't be quite as plentiful as it has been recetnly, but there are some good Ivy League players in there already. And of course right now these three teams have the top three recruiting rankings for next year according to IL. So if they are "down" they won't be for long.

Ya down for any of them is like a quarterfinal loss, none of the 3 will be worrying about making the tourney but there is a ton of talent coming off the books for all three. They each add a lot with the 2024 class but its a world of difference going from Pat K, O'Neill, and Shellenberger to a frosh, I don't care how high they are ranked. The other issue good and bad is that it flips matchups, a guy like Millon is drawing each teams third pole right now, he's gonna be seeing teams #1 defender next year.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Hiltz and Mule did tie the score 12-12. After going up 11-9 with a few mins left, credit Terps getting 3 unanswered which lead to those two connecting to tie it up. They were well guarded throughout game credit to Terps D. Hiltz's excellent pass to Mule while blanketed and Mule's sweet finish was huge right when Cuse needed to be.

Excellent play for sure, but SU isn't gonna be winning many games against the top 10 when those two are getting their first points with a minute to go in the game. They don't have to put up 5+ each but like Joey you need them to be at 2-3+

 

[All4SU]

Some random thoughts ... I couldn't watch the game live, and couldn't help myself from looking at the score before watching so I might have a different sort of perspective of this game.

-My initial thought was this game would be a lot like last year's Duke game. In the sense that that game was a quality win the Orange could have "stole". They were outplayed for the majority of that Duke game in the Dome, but Mark had a million saves and Duke hit a million pipes and somehow the Orange had a chance to win in overtime. After watching this game however, it felt much differnt. to me, Syracuse looked like the better team for three quarters. I know I am biased, but this made me feel like Syracuse was "at the level". I came away thinking Syracuse should have won that game instead of thinking Syracuse could have won that game.

-The biggest surprise of this young season has been Finn Thomson's struggles. I just did not see this sort of shooting slump coming. I said preseason the guy I want shooting more was Thomson. How he went from shooting 40% to under 10% is mystifying. I am not sure how he gets his confidence back but he needs to find it.

-I see a lot of people calling for Birtwistle to moved to the first line, but why not Rhoa? Especially after last game it seems like he should be considered. He has such a good shot, and is such an underrated dodger. The only hesitancy is if you destroy whatever is left of Thomson's confidence. Do the coaches let him figure this out on his own? For all the criticism he is getting he has just two fewer points than Rhoa, and has two more than English. Perhaps we just need to let him figure it out. Season is still young.

-I thought the defense overall looked pretty good. Maryland clearly had a plan, play out the shot clock and work to find the open man. They really like coming around from x and finding a cutter on the other side. The defense, to me looked a lot more comfortable with their slides and recoveries and while the ssdms outside of Rice looked shaky, I think they did an adequate job. Overall I was impressed and I loved the move to a zone defense late in the game to throw Maryland off.

-It's a little thing but I liked Oderina's body language for the game, looks relaxed but engaged as you could see him giving the defense animated directions from the sidelines. A lot has been made in the press about how he "lets you be your own boss", but after watching this game you can tell he does plenty of coaching. Its quite a contrast from who was in charge of the defense last year.

-Biggest question after this game for me is who takes the number one attackman going forward? It wasn't all Figuerias fault, but Brandon Erksa had himself quite a game and burned the redshirt freshman more than a couple of times. Figuerias had the nice play where he dropped him to the turf late, but overall Erksa won that matchup. Do they eventually move Dwan over to take on Alphas? Not giving up on Figuerias at all but things are going to get a lot tougher as the season progresses.

-Have to give Kohn a ton of credit, that was a physical matchup against one of the games best and he stood his own. In hindsight, I may have gone to Mullen late to get someone fresh on the field, considering how taxing some of those face-offs were, but overall you have to be thrilled with that performance.

I know a lot less about lax than almost anyone on here. But my impression - like yours - was that SU looked like the better team for most of the game.

Losing sucks. Especially in that manner. But I saw a very good team out there. Early on, some of the penalties went against us, and they capitalized on the penalties, while we didn’t for the most part.

Still, when you don’t know as much, you tend to look at stats… face offs, ground balls, clears… I though SU went up against a good top five team and lost a game they could have won. No moral victory, but proof that the team is good.

 

[orangecuse]

There is a lot I disagree with in his post, but to keep it relatively brief - "Gait didn't even have enough confidence to give Spallina the ball in overtime." What on earth is wrong with going back to the matchups that have been working for us the whole game? How is that a knock on Spallina? I assure you, name any elite coach, they are not trying to go after the Zappitello match up in OT. We were exploiting the short stick matchups, they were getting results, so we kept forcing the issue there.

We were staring down the barrel of two different shots from 10 yards in OT, even before the Leo controversy. That does not mean that the guys who were not dodging at that time all suck! Mule and Hiltz took 4 shots total the whole game. Wonder what would have happened if they put a pole on Leo and Rhoa and someone like Mule or Hiltz had a short stick matchup. Hiltz would have 5 gs and he would be in here saying our midfield dodging was terrible!

I assure you I could go on. It is unwise to make statements on the dodging ability of guys who we barely needed to dodge all game. We were getting all kinds of looks against one of the better defenses in the country. Our offball guy had the biggest case of the yips I have seen in years. Even then we got to 12 gs on an elite defense/goalie.

I never said what you quoted in your first sentence, so, you should be better in that regard.

Actually, the only thing I really said, which truly makes your "a lot I disagree with" peculiar, was his comments relative to Spallina's general dodging speed as it relates to other high level dodger types. Not just from Saturday evening's game against MD, but from what I've observed in some other past games against the higher level opponents, etc. It's just my opinion.

The attack comments of his, really IMO, weren't much different than what I recalled Jeremy's remarks being after the game, therefore, I was just absorbing that for what it was too, but mostly again because what I thought I recalled Jeremy posting afterwards, especially with his astute knowledge of the game, credibility of his posts, etc. I am going to revisit those...

Oddly, this seemed to of struck a strange nerve with you. I'll attempt to be more "wise" next time, if nothing more than to avoid your assurance of going on.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I never said what you quoted in your first sentence, so, you should be better in that regard.

Actually, the only thing I really said, which truly makes your "a lot I disagree with" peculiar, was his comments relative to Spallina's general dodging speed as it relates to other high level dodger types. Not just from Saturday evening's game against MD, but from what I've observed in some other past games against the higher level opponents, etc. It's just my opinion.

The attack comments of his, really IMO, weren't much different than what I recalled Jeremy's remarks being after the game, therefore, I was just absorbing that for what it was too, but mostly again because what I thought I recalled Jeremy posting afterwards, especially with his astute knowledge of the game, credibility of his posts, etc. I am going to revisit those...

Oddly, this seemed to of struck a strange nerve with you. I'll attempt to be more "wise" next time, if nothing more than to avoid your assurance of going on.

I am talking about the other guys comments not yours. He said that. And I am just calling out stuff I disagree with.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I never said what you quoted in your first sentence, so, you should be better in that regard.

Actually, the only thing I really said, which truly makes your "a lot I disagree with" peculiar, was his comments relative to Spallina's general dodging speed as it relates to other high level dodger types. Not just from Saturday evening's game against MD, but from what I've observed in some other past games against the higher level opponents, etc. It's just my opinion.

The attack comments of his, really IMO, weren't much different than what I recalled Jeremy's remarks being after the game, therefore, I was just absorbing that for what it was too, but mostly again because what I thought I recalled Jeremy posting afterwards, especially with his astute knowledge of the game, credibility of his posts, etc. I am going to revisit those...

Oddly, this seemed to of struck a strange nerve with you. I'll attempt to be more "wise" next time, if nothing more than to avoid your assurance of going on.

Pretty sure he was referencing the original poster your were talking about, not you.