Matt Campbell Gets Extension

[Nick44]

At Iowa State - 10-14 record through 2 seasons.

Went from $2.1m per year to $3.5m (6 yrs $22.5m) plus an additional $1m per year for staff.

Dino is 8-16 and reportedly makes $2.5m per season.

Not advocating either way for Dino to receive an extension, but from an investment standpoint, I hope it is considered. Syracuse may never have more leverage than it currently does now. Extending him to $3.5m, adding two additional years and adding to the current buyout, ensures long-term stability.

It was also said that the current $9m buyout on Campbell’s contract was too high for other schools to justify interviewing him. I think Dino’s is currently in this ballpark but this has to be the benchmark for any contract extension.

If Syracuse wins 8 next year, this leverage evaporates in 2018 and the cost goes much higher than 2017.

 

[qdawgg]

I find the concept of using the extension as a means to getting the coach to sign a stupidly large buyout with the new contract, pretty interesting.

The more I think of it from this angle it makes a lot of sense. You can always get rid of the coach, you make the contract that the parting ways agreement is pretty doable from the schools perspective but the buyout if another school comes calling is really big. If the coach gets poached at that point what else could you do but at least the school gets a boatload of $ to use to hire a new coach.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Why would you tie yourself to 4 more years of Babers when there are a ton of question marks? If he goes 4-8 again the next two years you are going to wish that you never extended him. That being said I don't think we have to worry.

 

[Nick44]

I find the concept of using the extension as a means to getting the coach to sign a stupidly large buyout with the new contract, pretty interesting.

The more I think of it from this angle it makes a lot of sense. You can always get rid of the coach, you make the contract that the parting ways agreement is pretty doable from the schools perspective but the buyout if another school comes calling is really big. If the coach gets poached at that point what else could you do but at least the school gets a boatload of $ to use to hire a new coach.

Really good points.

Just to add, this investment essentially only costs an additional $1-2m overall. The extension is being offered a year or two earlier than if he was coaching at a a top tier program.

Your gambling that the wins in 2018 jump from 4 to 7-8 wins. If you are right, for $1-2m you’ve locked up this coach long-term and ensured stability with this program. If you’re wrong, you’ve wasted an additional $4m over the final 4 years of this contract. The added value of this opportunity exceeds the risk in my opinion.

Even if the jump is only from 4 wins in 2017 to 6 wins in 2018, you are still making progress as a program while committing to stability in this coaching staff.

 

[Ish88888]

Why would you tie yourself to 4 more years of Babers when there are a ton of question marks? If he goes 4-8 again the next two years you are going to wish that you never extended him. That being said I don't think we have to worry.

Very true and MC is light years ahead of Dino given his year 2 progression. Comparing these 2 is actually apples and oranges. ISU was a very good team this year in a very good conference with tons of talent.

 

[Nick44]

Why would you tie yourself to 4 more years of Babers when there are a ton of question marks? If he goes 4-8 again the next two years you are going to wish that you never extended him. That being said I don't think we have to worry.

I am trying to look at this from a financial value standpoint and not from an X’s and O’s comparison between Campbell and Babers.

Sure, Campbell has more wins and has had a more impressive 2 years than Babers has. But Dino also had #6 ranked schedule and coaches in ACC Atlantic versus Big 12.

Point being is that you could argue who is better until you are blue in the face. But from a financial value standpoint, their is an argument to be made that extending today buys you significant value down the road. An additional $1m today can save you much more in the future. If we are wrong and he doesn’t win, the lost cost over 3-4 years is less than if you didn’t extend today and he wins 7-8 wins a year from now.

 

[corpjet]

Its a gamble but one I would take...

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I am trying to look at this from a financial value standpoint and not from an X’s and O’s comparison between Campbell and Babers.

Sure, Campbell has more wins and has had a more impressive 2 years than Babers has. But Dino also had #6 ranked schedule and coaches in ACC Atlantic versus Big 12.

Point being is that you could argue who is better until you are blue in the face. But from a financial value standpoint, their is an argument to be made that extending today buys you significant value down the road. An additional $1m today can save you much more in the future. If we are wrong and he doesn’t win, the lost cost over 3-4 years is less than if you didn’t extend today and he wins 7-8 wins a year from now.

Can't disagree more. Why would you up your buyout if you need to fire him when he has done nothing to earn that? If Dino goes 4-8 the next 2 years he deserves to be fired. If you extend him then you cannot afford to fire him and are stuck with him 2 more years. Then when you can afford to fire him it is $7m instead of $5M.

From a financial standpoint explain how it saves you money? If Dino goes 8-4 next year he will be hot and you will need to increase his salary again or risk losing him. You act like upping him to $3.5M now keeps him here at $3.5M the next 6 years which is silly. If you give him $3.5M now, then you will need to give him $4.5M after he goes 8-4. If you wait until he actually goes 8-4 you can get him for less than that.

 

[Stevenson]

I am trying to look at this from a financial value standpoint and not from an X’s and O’s comparison between Campbell and Babers.

Sure, Campbell has more wins and has had a more impressive 2 years than Babers has. But Dino also had #6 ranked schedule and coaches in ACC Atlantic versus Big 12.

Point being is that you could argue who is better until you are blue in the face. But from a financial value standpoint, their is an argument to be made that extending today buys you significant value down the road. An additional $1m today can save you much more in the future. If we are wrong and he doesn’t win, the lost cost over 3-4 years is less than if you didn’t extend today and he wins 7-8 wins a year from now.

Are you his agent? He is 0-9 in his last 9 games of the past two seasons. No Bowl next year and he better be fired.

 

[kcsu]

Are you his agent? He is 0-9 in his last 9 games of the past two seasons. No Bowl next year and he better be fired.

Your thinking would have fired Mac.

 

[kcsu]

If Dino had won at FSU and Miami he would have had some offers in the 3.5 range and up and there is a good chance he is gone. The guy is as good a fit as we are going to find. I would extend.

 

[elimunelson]

Are you his agent? He is 0-9 in his last 9 games of the past two seasons. No Bowl next year and he better be fired.

No one is calling for his firing no matter what happens next year. I expect to see improvement based on his system in year 3, an easier schedule and for some luck in the injury dept finally. If we are still stuck at 4-8 Dino himself will have to figure this out. Not sure anyone we'd bring in would be worth resetting the clock again.

Having said that, redoing contracts right now is silly. No matter what, if he wants to leave he'll figure it out at the right time. Dan Mullen just left Miss St for Florida. Not sure it was gonna be a financial decision for Miss St to pony up more money to keep him. He had his mind set on going there. If Dino has his mind set on landing on west coast for his final coaching gig, nothing we can do to eliminate that scratch.

Let's just see how it all plays out.

 

[CousCuse]

The QB situation will be 100% of optimal next year, that should translate to a huge upside improvement. So strengthen the coaching situation now.

 

[MSOrange]

Ultimately a decision will have to be made about extending Dino no later than after this next season. With a 6 year contract, if he's not signed at least for the following 4 years, it can start to be used against him in recruiting.

 

[CousCuse]

He has shown enough to strengthen his position now. It will pay big dividends.

 

[PhatOrange]

it's called making an investment. If you believe in the investment then you buy low not high.

i'd up him and his staff, give them annual increases based on performance incentives. i'd give him 2 more years and I'd put in a huge buyout that reduces with time.

i personally believe Babers is the guy and if in 3 or 4 more years he isn't then so what ...(in my plan the buyout then would be manageable).

 

[Alsacs]

Rutgers gave 7-17 Chris Ash an extension.
Rutgers' Chris Ash signs updated contract through 2022: Pat Hobbs shows '100 percent confidence'

 

[TheCusian]

Are you his agent? He is 0-9 in his last 9 games of the past two seasons. No Bowl next year and he better be fired.

Dumb. You 10000% don't put stupid qualifiers on it when you have our history.

Why is your metric better than "best win in the last 20 years" or "best recruiting classes in 10" ... ?

 

[Alsacs]

Giving Dino an extension that keeps his buyout high wouldn’t be dumb.
Tacking an extra year isn’t a lot of money.
Dino unlike the incompetent boob before deserves patience.

 

[Pyle]

Rutgers gave 7-17 Chris Ash an extension.
Rutgers' Chris Ash signs updated contract through 2022: Pat Hobbs shows '100 percent confidence'

Soooo you want to model our program after Rutgers? Got it.

BTW, Ash is getting extended not based on performance, but based on the fact that he cleaned up the program more than anything else from what I've read.

 

[Alsacs]

Soooo you want to model our program after Rutgers? Got it.

BTW, Ash is getting extended not based on performance, but based on the fact that he cleaned up the program more than anything else from what I've read.

Dino has closed the recruiting gap with Rutgers.
Rutgers has outrecruited Syracuse since we have fallen down.

They are showing patience and didn’t have the rebuild we had.

 

[Pyle]

Dino has closed the recruiting gap with Rutgers.
Rutgers has outrecruited Syracuse since we have fallen down.

They are showing patience and didn’t have the rebuild we had.

They did have the rebuild we did plus some. That team was decimated by decommits, transfers, kids kicked out, etc under Flood. Do you not remember the compliance issues Flood had? Their program is/was a freaking train wreck and the fact that you think our rebuild is bigger tells me alot.

Also Dino's deal was 1 year longer than Ash's to begin with. Ash wasn't even on full contract. He was on one of those memorandum agreements or whatever the heck they are called. We have Dino on a 6 year contract already.

At Iowa State - 10-14 record through 2 seasons.

Went from $2.1m per year to $3.5m (6 yrs $22.5m) plus an additional $1m per year for staff.

Dino is 8-16 and reportedly makes $2.5m per season.

Not advocating either way for Dino to receive an extension, but from an investment standpoint, I hope it is considered. Syracuse may never have more leverage than it currently does now. Extending him to $3.5m, adding two additional years and adding to the current buyout, ensures long-term stability.

It was also said that the current $9m buyout on Campbell’s contract was too high for other schools to justify interviewing him. I think Dino’s is currently in this ballpark but this has to be the benchmark for any contract extension.

If Syracuse wins 8 next year, this leverage evaporates in 2018 and the cost goes much higher than 2017.

Campbell was only on a 1mil/year deal. Babers is what? 2.5?

 

[CousCuse]

Dino has to go head to head with both of those coaches for recruits, he needs to be at the same standing as them or higher. If he isn't successful, the new coaching prospects will have that much anyhow. Time to ante up and show SU fans and the rest of the country that the university is serious about the football program.

 

[Alsacs]

They did have the rebuild we did plus some. That team was decimated by decommits, transfers, kids kicked out, etc under Flood. Do you not remember the compliance issues Flood had? Their program is/was a freaking train wreck and the fact that you think our rebuild is bigger tells me alot.

Also Dino's deal was 1 year longer than Ash's to begin with. Ash wasn't even on full contract. He was on one of those memorandum agreements or whatever the heck they are called. We have Dino on a 6 year contract already.

You are honestly funny to me.
These were the Rutgers sanctions.

• reduction in the number of off-campus recruiting days by a total of 10 during 2017-18, with five days in the fall evaluation period and five in the spring evaluation period. Two years of probation
  
  
  
• A limit of 36 football official visits during 2017-18, a reduction of four from the average number of visits used during the four most recent years and 26 fewer than permitted by NCAA rules.
  
  
• A prohibition of phone calls, social media contact and written correspondence with prospects for a one-week period during 2017-18 .
  
  
• A $5,000 fine.
  
  OMG they got hammered. They lost 0 scholarships.
  Rutgers hired their own Scott Shafer in Kyle Flood and that with a move to the Big Ten East hit them.
  
  

 

[Pyle]

You are honestly funny to me.
These were the Rutgers sanctions.

• reduction in the number of off-campus recruiting days by a total of 10 during 2017-18, with five days in the fall evaluation period and five in the spring evaluation period. Two years of probation
  
  
  
• A limit of 36 football official visits during 2017-18, a reduction of four from the average number of visits used during the four most recent years and 26 fewer than permitted by NCAA rules.
  
  
• A prohibition of phone calls, social media contact and written correspondence with prospects for a one-week period during 2017-18 .
  
  
• A $5,000 fine.
  
  OMG they got hammered. They lost 0 scholarships.
  Rutgers hired their own Scott Shafer in Kyle Flood and that with a move to the Big Ten East hit them.
  

How about you stop cherry picking stuff to make yourself look better and go compare their recruiting sheets vs their actual roster and tell me again how much worse of a rebuild we are. Were the sanctions groundbreaking? No but Flood/Hermann decimated that program with their antics and BS. Rutgers is black mark. We are just a lousy football team but at least our coach wasn't harassing profs. Do you really think Rutgers has a better reputation that Syracuse? Do you really think all those inflated Rivals rankings actually stuck once players got on campus? Do you really think that Rutgers would beat Syracuse more than 50% of the time on a neutral field? They had a much bigger rebuild. Laugh it up, doesn't change reality.