Matt Campbell Gets Extension

[Pyle]

Dino has to go head to head with both of those coaches for recruits, he needs to be at the same standing as them or higher. If he isn't successful, the new coaching prospects will have that much anyhow. Time to ante up and show SU fans and the rest of the country that the university is serious about the football program.

I kind of thought we did that by giving the guy 6 years at 2.5 million right out of the gate. It's probably double the largest contract SU has ever paid to any football coach ever. Why do people think Babers is on a Shafer contract? HE'S NOT!!!!!

 

[Newhouser]

and the guy at Iowa State has done more than HCDB - easier road or not. Winning at ISU is harder than our re-build IMHO.

 

[CousCuse]

I kind of thought we did that by giving the guy 6 years at 2.5 million right out of the gate. It's probably double the largest contract SU has ever paid to any football coach ever. Why do people think Babers is on a Shafer contract? HE'S NOT!!!!!

I'm aware how much his contract is for, but if you want to play in the bigtime then you better be prepared to go big or go home. ISU and Rutgers up the bid, either you call, outbid them or fold.

 

[CousCuse]

and the guy at Iowa State has done more than HCDB - easier road or not. Winning at ISU is harder than our re-build IMHO.

Beating the defending National Champion Clemson is worth 10 wins at Texas.

 

[Alsacs]

and the guy at Iowa State has done more than HCDB - easier road or not. Winning at ISU is harder than our re-build IMHO.

Campbell has done an excellent job.

He beat both teams in the Big XII title game. 7-5 at Iowa State is a good job.

 

[Pyle]

I'm aware how much his contract is for, but if you want to play in the bigtime then you better be prepared to go big or go home. ISU and Rutgers up the bid, either you call, outbid them or fold.

This might be the best reason I've actually heard to offer now. Why people want to extend after 2 years of a 5 year deal seems very odd to me, especially a guy like Ash who is just getting his Ash beat even if he did clean up a mess, hell I can clean up a mess but doesn't mean I can win doing it which should be the meter. But it does seem to be the SOP around the country. I just know that we seemingly couldn't afford to buy out 1 year of Gerg's contract which was much smaller. Yeah we had old BE money(i.e. none) and now we have ACC money but before we extend Dino through 2025 (he's already here until the end of 2021) then we need a real plan to buy him out, should it become necessary.

 

[CousCuse]

This might be the best reason I've actually heard to offer now. Why people want to extend after 2 years of a 5 year deal seems very odd to me, especially a guy like Ash who is just getting his Ash beat even if he did clean up a mess, hell I can clean up a mess but doesn't mean I can win doing it which should be the meter. But it does seem to be the SOP around the country. I just know that we seemingly couldn't afford to buy out 1 year of Gerg's contract which was much smaller. Yeah we had old BE money(i.e. none) and now we have ACC money but before we extend Dino through 2025 (he's already here until the end of 2021) then we need a real plan to buy him out, should it become necessary.

You have to give him something so when he is out recruiting there isn't some meme going about how Babers peer coaches got the full support of their schools but he didn't. I say go all in and give him more, it will just establish the pay scale at SU and people will take notice.

 

[Bayside44]

How about you stop cherry picking stuff to make yourself look better and go compare their recruiting sheets vs their actual roster and tell me again how much worse of a rebuild we are. Were the sanctions groundbreaking? No but Flood/Hermann decimated that program with their antics and BS. Rutgers is black mark. We are just a lousy football team but at least our coach wasn't harassing profs. Do you really think Rutgers has a better reputation that Syracuse? Do you really think all those inflated Rivals rankings actually stuck once players got on campus? Do you really think that Rutgers would beat Syracuse more than 50% of the time on a neutral field? They had a much bigger rebuild. Laugh it up, doesn't change reality.

Kyle went 27-24 in his four years as HC at RU. He's not a mid major now, he's in the NFL.

 

[Pyle]

Kyle went 27-24 in his four years as HC at RU. He's not a mid major now, he's in the NFL.

What's your point? Nothing you said relates at all to the number of decommits and transfers which have devastated their roster before Ash's arrival. The program was considered by most to be in shambles after Flood/Hermann were fired. You didn't address any of my questions to Alsacs, seems more like deflection and avoidance.

 

[upperdeck]

Jimbo with all the talent in the world lost his QB and needs a final win to get to 6-6, we with far less talent got to 4-5 before we lost our QB. How many of our guys would even see the field at FSU right now? 2-3?

 

[Rocco]

At Iowa State - 10-14 record through 2 seasons.

Went from $2.1m per year to $3.5m (6 yrs $22.5m) plus an additional $1m per year for staff.

Dino is 8-16 and reportedly makes $2.5m per season.

Not advocating either way for Dino to receive an extension, but from an investment standpoint, I hope it is considered. Syracuse may never have more leverage than it currently does now. Extending him to $3.5m, adding two additional years and adding to the current buyout, ensures long-term stability.

It was also said that the current $9m buyout on Campbell’s contract was too high for other schools to justify interviewing him. I think Dino’s is currently in this ballpark but this has to be the benchmark for any contract extension.

If Syracuse wins 8 next year, this leverage evaporates in 2018 and the cost goes much higher than 2017.

BINGO.

It's either going to work with Dino or our football program is toast.

The business decision to extend him is a no-brainer.

 

[Bayside44]

What's your point? Nothing you said relates at all to the number of decommits and transfers which have devastated their roster before Ash's arrival. The program was considered by most to be in shambles after Flood/Hermann were fired. You didn't address any of my questions to Alsacs, seems more like deflection and avoidance.

You called him their Shafer. Shafer didn't go to 3 bowls in 4 years. Middling sure but that would've been an upgrade here. I don't recall them losing kids in the move from Schiano to Flood, which is what a continuity hire is supposed to be.

He had some problem kids and meddled and got pinched then the wheels went off that bus. He was also a teacher so talking to faculty isn't that insane a thing to do.

 

[Pyle]

You called him their Shafer. Shafer didn't go to 3 bowls in 4 years. Middling sure but that would've been an upgrade here. I don't recall them losing kids in the move from Schiano to Flood, which is what a continuity hire is supposed to be.

He had some problem kids and meddled and got pinched then the wheels went off that bus. He was also a teacher so talking to faculty isn't that insane a thing to do.

Alsacs said that. Not me. I said they faced a bigger rebuild after Flood left than we did with Shafer.

 

[Bayside44]

Alsacs said that. Not me. I said they faced a bigger rebuild after Flood left than we did with Shafer.

Ash and Babers are looking to do completely different things. They're trying to belly up to the big uglies and we're trying to run past them.

 

[JeremyCuse]

BINGO.

It's either going to work with Dino or our football program is toast.

The business decision to extend him is a no-brainer.

Let's not get crazy the program is far from toast if Babers doesn't work out. It rebounded from Gerg, its can rebound from anything. Dino will have a chance to earn an extenstion next fall, here's to hoping he does it.

 

[CousCuse]

Let's not get crazy the program is far from toast if Babers doesn't work out. It rebounded from Gerg, its can rebound from anything. Dino will have a chance to earn an extenstion next fall, here's to hoping he does it.

He already earned it, why does he have to earn it again.

 

[Alsacs]

Alsacs said that. Not me. I said they faced a bigger rebuild after Flood left than we did with Shafer.

Syracuse was the bigger rebuild than Rutgers.
Shafer was a clown hire who set us back.
Flood made mistakes and the program used them to fire him.

Ash is bringing them talent just like Dino is here. Difference being Ash is a defensive guy and Dino an offensive guy.

You can question Dino all you want this program got the best hire we could when we got Dino.

 

[JeremyCuse]

He already earned it, why does he have to earn it again.

The win over Clemson was amazing, almost surreal as someone who was there. That being said 8-16 is 8-16, there is no need for an extension when he still has 4 years on his contract.

 

[Pyle]

Syracuse was the bigger rebuild than Rutgers.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You are still avoiding the roster meltdown that happened under Flood. Address it or move on.

 

[PhatOrange]

Alsacs said that. Not me. I said they faced a bigger rebuild after Flood left than we did with Shafer.

thats just not true. that's the narrative but it's not true.

 

[Pyle]

thats just not true. that's the narrative but it's not true.

They had a complete roster meltdown under Flood. That's not a narrative. Kids really went back on their commitments and transferred out. Their roster was decimated before Ash came in.

 

[Alsacs]

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You are still avoiding the roster meltdown that happened under Flood. Address it or move on.

Syracuse has made Bowls in 2004,
2010,2012,2013
Rutgers has made bowls in 2005-2010, 2012-2014
They were medicore pretty much the entire 2000s
We have made bowls 4 times in 13 years.

They were 6-6 garbage.
We have been down.


The fact you think Rutgers had a bigger rebuild just shows you think this is 1990s.

Our program has fallen down.
Rutgers sucks but they have been medicore.

 

[PhatOrange]

Let's not get crazy the program is far from toast if Babers doesn't work out. It rebounded from Gerg, its can rebound from anything. Dino will have a chance to earn an extenstion next fall, here's to hoping he does it.

The program is currently toast and has been in toast mode for 15 years. If Babers doesn't work out over the next 3 or 4 and you bring in yet another coach you might be talking yet another 6 years minimum. So you're looking at over 20+ years. This is currently the biggest lull in the history of the program (10 losing seasons in 15 years) and the gap is widening between us and the teams we're trying to catch. The program is basically on life support.

We need to stick with a proven guy and allow him time to turn it around. If it's another 5 years then so be it because everytime we hit the reset button then we're adding more years onto the current 15.

Once your foundation and culture are built then the program will find success over the long haul.

Marrone did a heck of job after Gerg (aided by weak strength of schedules) but at the end of the day we couldn't hold onto Marrone. If we'd had given him the same type of extension in year 3 with a huge buyout then at least we would have been compensated and maybe replaced him with a better coach than Shafer. You knew early on Marrone could coach. Regardless of record you can see some of the the same qualities in Dino. (frankly I think part of why Marrone bolted was because he failed at recruiting and his window was going to close quickly.)

 

[elimunelson]

Syracuse was the bigger rebuild than Rutgers.
Shafer was a clown hire who set us back.
Flood made mistakes and the program used them to fire him.

Ash is bringing them talent just like Dino is here. Difference being Ash is a defensive guy and Dino an offensive guy.

You can question Dino all you want this program got the best hire we could when we got Dino.

I ask because I don't know but does the athletic dept have the resources to blindly extend contracts into the ether. The schools mentioned so far are state universities which may operate differently than a private university.

I don't see BC extending Addazio (4 bowls i think) and they are similar to Syracuse size wise. Has Miami extended Richt? The private schools can't do things that public schools can do financially.

We may be asking for something that is not financially possible with the extent the school extended its neck when they paid Dino 2.5mm per and who knows what for his staff.

 

[PhatOrange]

They had a complete roster meltdown under Flood. That's not a narrative. Kids really went back on their commitments and transferred out. Their roster was decimated before Ash came in.

Yes they lost some great recruits to Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan etc., but it doesn't mean Ash had a bigger rebuild than Babers. Babers inherited a roster way worse than Ash because of all of Shafer's recruiting failures and D1AA players. A roster that was just as decimated. All one needs to do is look at us basically having only 2 DEnds last year and 3 this year. The recruiting sites all said Buttgers had better recruits during Flood's years and a good number of transfers/flips happened during the coaching change. Rutgers also has better facilities - we've heard that over and over for years. But truthfully i'd say both Ash and Babers have started in the same spot.

Shafer handed Babers a 3-9 and 4-8 team filled with mostly kids who might not be P5 kids.