Matt Campbell Gets Extension

[PhatOrange]

Miami extended Richt? The private schools can't do things that public schools can do financially.

Miami will but they gave him a huge contract to begin with. They're also a destination school. Nobody is going to come in and poach Richt. Where would you go that's a better situation?

 

[CousCuse]

Yes they lost some great recruits to Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan etc., but it doesn't mean Ash had a bigger rebuild than Babers. Babers inherited a roster way worse than Ash because of all of Shafer's recruiting failures and D1AA players. A roster that was just as decimated. All one needs to do is look at us basically having only 2 DEnds last year and 3 this year. The recruiting sites all said Buttgers had better recruits during Flood's years and a good number of transfers/flips happened during the coaching change. Rutgers also has better facilities - we've heard that over and over for years. But truthfully i'd say both Ash and Babers have started in the same spot.

Shafer handed Babers a 3-9 and 4-8 team filled with mostly kids who might not be P5 kids.

40% of the players in the NFL didn't go to a P5 school. Carson Wentz went to an FCS school and he will probably win the MVP.

 

[CuseCactus]

In the rear view mirror are Gerg and Shafer. (With a Marrone stuck in the middle of the sandwich.) I don't want to go back to that. Dino is the future. This season was incredibly fun. Close at LSU. Close at Miami. Missed FG for overtime at FSU. WIN against Clemson - likely the best win in 30 years. Are you kidding me?

Extend him today.

Look at how the Tennessee's of the world are scratching around trying to find a coach. Do it.

 

[PhatOrange]

40% of the players in the NFL didn't go to a P5 school. Carson Wentz went to an FCS school and he will probably win the MVP.

Ok great so that's about 10 players per non-P5 team. If only Shaf could've found 10 of those diamonds in the rough instead of zero. See Shafer had ZERO of that 40%

 

[CousCuse]

The win over Clemson was amazing, almost surreal as someone who was there. That being said 8-16 is 8-16, there is no need for an extension when he still has 4 years on his contract.

This program can not afford any coaching turnover for at least 5 years, that is what has sent it into a hole. This team was so close this year to being an ACC contender and you want to wait until he wins the ACC next year. Then you can expect big money to come for him. A&M is trying to buy Jimbo as we speak. If you make him wait, don't act all hurt and offended when he listens to other schools pitches and maybe takes one of the offers.

 

[CousCuse]

Ok great so that's about 10 players per non-P5 team. If only Shaf could've found 10 of those diamonds in the rough instead of zero.

Why don't you use your time and energy to support the current coach instead of running the last coach into the ground when he isn't even here to defend himself. IMO Shafer should have been extended after the bowl win and then he would have had the standing to recruit quality players.

 

[JeremyCuse]

This program can not afford any coaching turnover for at least 5 years, that is what has sent it into a hole. This team was so close this year to being an ACC contender and you want to wait until he wins the ACC next year. Then you can expect big money to come for him. A&M is trying to buy Jimbo as we speak. If you make him wait, don't act all hurt and offended when he listens to other schools pitches and maybe takes one of the offers.

Ive got news for you, it doesn't matter if we extend Dino or not if he goes 8-4 next year and a blue blood program comes calling hes probably gone because they will pay the buy out no questions asked if they feel he is there guy. This team had some real nice moments this past year and soem really tough losses but I wouldn't call them an ACC title contender if thats what your referencing. Also coaching turnover hasn't sent Syracuse into a hole it was bad coaches (Grob, Shafer) a coach past him prime with little school suppport (Coach P) and a coach who hated recruiting and wanted out (Marrone). Extending Grob or Shafer would only be delaying the inevitable.

At this point there is nothing to "make him wait" fo in regards to Dino, he just finished year 2 of a 6 year contract and Syracuse has given him pretty much everything he has asked for.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The program is currently toast and has been in toast mode for 15 years. If Babers doesn't work out over the next 3 or 4 and you bring in yet another coach you might be talking yet another 6 years minimum. So you're looking at over 20+ years. This is currently the biggest lull in the history of the program (10 losing seasons in 15 years) and the gap is widening between us and the teams we're trying to catch. The program is basically on life support.

We need to stick with a proven guy and allow him time to turn it around. If it's another 5 years then so be it because everytime we hit the reset button then we're adding more years onto the current 15.

Once your foundation and culture are built then the program will find success over the long haul.

Marrone did a heck of job after Gerg (aided by weak strength of schedules) but at the end of the day we couldn't hold onto Marrone. If we'd had given him the same type of extension in year 3 with a huge buyout then at least we would have been compensated and maybe replaced him with a better coach than Shafer. You knew early on Marrone could coach. Regardless of record you can see some of the the same qualities in Dino. (frankly I think part of why Marrone bolted was because he failed at recruiting and his window was going to close quickly.)

I dont disagree with really anything you posted and I think most people if not all of them are fine with Dino taking multiple years to try and right the ship. At this point he's in year two of a 6 year deal, your post makes it sound like he just finsihed year four or 5 and Syracuse is waffling on what to do with him. Things are trending in the right direction but there are some red flags that hopefully he and the staff can clear up going into year 3 and we can hopefully get to 6-6. Dino will get plenty of time to implent his system and put hsi stamp on the team, at minimum hes getting 4 years before anyoen would even mention looking at makign a change and that would have to be after probably another two years of 4-8 or worse which I dont think anyone sees happening.

 

[kcsu]

In the rear view mirror are Gerg and Shafer. (With a Marrone stuck in the middle of the sandwich.) I don't want to go back to that. Dino is the future. This season was incredibly fun. Close at LSU. Close at Miami. Missed FG for overtime at FSU. WIN against Clemson - likely the best win in 30 years. Are you kidding me?

Extend him today.

Look at how the Tennessee's of the world are scratching around trying to find a coach. Do it.

GREAT POST!! Other than winning those close games i havnt been this positive about the direction of our program since early P days. Lock this guy up and in 2 years we will be smiling. If not i believe he is gone after next season.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I would extend.

I'd extend now, make the buyout $300M. If it doesn't work out, it won't matter because the program might as well fold up. Dino is the last train out. From a purely rebuilding perspective, he's already shown more promise than any other hire in SU history. Mac didn't show anything until year 4. Marrone it was year 3 or 4.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'd extend now, make the buyout $300M. If it doesn't work out, it won't matter because the program might as well fold up. Dino is the last train out. From a purely rebuilding perspective, he's already shown more promise than any other hire in SU history. Mac didn't show anything until year 4. Marrone it was year 3 or 4.

Marrone made a bowl game in year 2 and was on his way to one in a year 3 until an end of the season meltdown similar to the one we just saw. We all love Dino but the hyperbole has to stop its getting ridiculous. "last train out", "program might as well fold up", seriously this is way over the top.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Marrone made a bowl game in year 2 and was on his way to one in a year 3 until an end of the season meltdown similar to the one we just saw. We all love Dino but the hyperbole has to stop its getting ridiculous. "last train out", "program might as well fold up", seriously this is way over the top.

The question you have to ask is: if not Dino, then who? The only path to resurrecting SU football is a unique selling point. Babers provides that.

 

[Alsacs]

Marrone made a bowl game in year 2 and was on his way to one in a year 3 until an end of the season meltdown similar to the one we just saw. We all love Dino but the hyperbole has to stop its getting ridiculous. "last train out", "program might as well fold up", seriously this is way over the top.

Dino would have made a Bowl this year if we played
At Akron
At Washington
Maine
Colgate
At USF
Pittsburgh
At WVU
At Cincinnati
Louisville
At Rutgers
UConn
Boston College

I would expect 8-4 with this schedule.
2010 was a great year but the schedule helped that result.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The question you have to ask is: if not Dino, then who? The only path to resurrecting SU football is a unique selling point. Babers provides that.

I don't know who but that doesn't mean that if he doesn't work out we should give up on the program or join the SWAC. Who would have thought Babers was the answer back in 2012 when SU beat a top 10 Lville team and then embarrasd WVU in the Pinstripe bowl. I think we all want Babers to be the guy and he has shown that when his team plays its A game it can beat just about anyone (VA Tech/Clemson) that being said some of the retoric on this board has gotten completely out of hand. Posters are acting like were UConn and have a 2-3 year window and if that this hire doesn't work out were being relegated to the Moutain West. Babers is going to get plenty of time and if he keeps progressing were going to have some really good seasons and then its up to the school to make a move and really lock him up. But if it doesn't work out with him it doesn't mean there isn't another coach on the horizons who can come to Syracuse and have success.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Dino would have made a Bowl this year if we played
At Akron
At Washington
Maine
Colgate
At USF
Pittsburgh
At WVU
At Cincinnati
Louisville
At Rutgers
UConn
Boston College

I would expect 8-4 with this schedule.
2010 was a great year but the schedule helped that result.

I am sure he would have finished at worst 7-5 if not 8-4 but unless one of us has a special Dolrean we will never know for sure. My only point was Marrone showed some positive results by year 2 just like Babers has. Nothign wrong with staying the course and seeing if an extenions or re-negotiation is necessary after next season.

 

[PhatOrange]

I dont disagree with really anything you posted and I think most people if not all of them are fine with Dino taking multiple years to try and right the ship. At this point he's in year two of a 6 year deal, your post makes it sound like he just finsihed year four or 5 and Syracuse is waffling on what to do with him. Things are trending in the right direction but there are some red flags that hopefully he and the staff can clear up going into year 3 and we can hopefully get to 6-6. Dino will get plenty of time to implent his system and put hsi stamp on the team, at minimum hes getting 4 years before anyoen would even mention looking at makign a change and that would have to be after probably another two years of 4-8 or worse which I dont think anyone sees happening.

I want the extension so we can put in a huge buyout. "we're committed to you but you have to be committed to us. we realize in this climate you will get a better deal from a factory so we'll need to be compensated in that event." Giving him a token raise I see as just the cost of doing business. Nothing being proposed from the extension people is going to set the program back any further than it already is.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I want the extension so we can put in a huge buyout. "we're committed to you but you have to be committed to us. we realize in this climate you will get a better deal from a factory so we'll need to be compensated in that event." Giving him a token raise I see as just the cost of doing business. Nothing being proposed from the extension people is going to set the program back any further than it already is.

Babers deal already includes a rather large buyout I believe.

 

[elimunelson]

Babers deal already includes a rather large buyout I believe.

facts don't matter. We need to make it BIGGER and give him more money without any financial restrictions and zero results so far.

Syracuse operates best when it operates uniquely amongst the arms races of college football. There's a reason Boeheim has been here for 40 plus years, Pasqualoni 14 years, Desko, Simmons, etc. These guys WANTED to be here, had success at one point (or always) and are not looking to leverage their own situation for greener grass.

 

[Pyle]

Babers deal already includes a rather large buyout I believe.

It does but people are panicking because the buyout starts to go down in year 3.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

thats just not true. that's the narrative but it's not true.

Its an opinion. There is no true or false.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Dino would have made a Bowl this year if we played
At Akron
At Washington
Maine
Colgate
At USF
Pittsburgh
At WVU
At Cincinnati
Louisville
At Rutgers
UConn
Boston College

I would expect 8-4 with this schedule.
2010 was a great year but the schedule helped that result.

We would possibly win 7 against this schedule with this years team. I definitely wouldn't "expect" 8-4 after what we now know about our team this season.

 

[anomander]

and the guy at Iowa State has done more than HCDB - easier road or not. Winning at ISU is harder than our re-build IMHO.

Not even close. Iowa St has invested more in their football program than we ever have. If you don’t believe me go check out their brand new facilities. Also, they have a strong fan base that consistently fills the stadium. At this point all the P5 programs are basically equal. I do think it would be more attractive to HC’s not having to play
Clemson and FSU every year. I don’t get how winning at SU is easier?

I would extend Babers now. If anything you can buy low. I think it’s pretty obvious he is the right choice. He had to drastically overhaul the offense and defense. His best players aren’t exactly perfect fits on either side of the ball.

I’m sure he’s taking note of the HC’s who are being extended... Ash, Fleck, Campbell. Those are all HC’s hires around the same time, from the same background, and at similar programs. Those schools have shown at least some dedication to wanting to win . We should extend now, or be sorry later.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Since this is such a hot topic I wanted to provide more info on the other coaches that we are using for comparisons here.

2017 salaries:
Dino Babers - 2.5 million (rumored)
Matt Campbell - 1.2 million
Chris Ash - 2.1 million
PJ Fleck - 3.5 million


Extension changes to contract:

Matt Campbell - 3.5 million + 1 million for staff
Chris Ash - extended contract length without pay increase
PJ Fleck - extended contract length without pay increase

 

[TheCusian]

In the rear view mirror are Gerg and Shafer. (With a Marrone stuck in the middle of the sandwich.) I don't want to go back to that. Dino is the future. This season was incredibly fun. Close at LSU. Close at Miami. Missed FG for overtime at FSU. WIN against Clemson - likely the best win in 30 years. Are you kidding me?

Extend him today.

Look at how the Tennessee's of the world are scratching around trying to find a coach. Do it.

There were 50+ P5 teams with easier schedules than ours. The floor moved under our feet and we’re in the toughest division in football (or at worst #2).

These two first years are miles from what Marrone and Shafer had to deal with. Miles.

 

[TheCusian]

facts don't matter. We need to make it BIGGER and give him more money without any financial restrictions and zero results so far.

Syracuse operates best when it operates uniquely amongst the arms races of college football. There's a reason Boeheim has been here for 40 plus years, Pasqualoni 14 years, Desko, Simmons, etc. These guys WANTED to be here, had success at one point (or always) and are not looking to leverage their own situation for greener grass.

Zero results? If you factor in SoS, 4 wins vs top 10 schedules with those two ranked wins is better than any coach here since P.

Your “let’s go against the grain and not pay a coach because it worked with JB” is not good. At all.

And I cannot think of a better way to show your intention on staying than signing a contract.