McDonald: "Drew is our Quarterback."

[rrlbees]

What I haven't seen mentioned during all the GM bashing is the difference in pace when Hunt went in. They were at the line very quickly with no apparent confusion. Hunt made adjustments and they ran plays without a hitch. In style and tempo it reminded me of last years offense. GM looked just fine, then. Yes, yes, yes...I know it was the backups for NW, but I am talking about execution and pace, not just results. Drew Allen does not look to have it, Hunt does. And btw, Allen's arm slot may be the worst I have ever seen from a QB. From the shoulder? Really?

So my question is a simple one: Is Allen making GM look bad or is GM making Allen look bad, because the offense ran smoother with Hunt.

I don't know who the better QB is. But when Hunt came in, NW was playing backups and we too were playing some backups. I'm sure we ran some pretty basic plays against a defense that was not doing anything special and was in prevent mode.


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[alphaorange]

I don't know who the better QB is. But when Hunt came in, NW was playing backups and we too were playing some backups. I'm sure we ran some pretty basic plays against a defense that was not doing anything special and was in prevent mode.


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Pace, Bees...pace. It was night and day. As I said, I'm not talking results. Plus, I have NEVER seen so many batted balls from a 6'4 guy in two games. It's not like guys were leaping to bat them. Batted ball is worse than an incompletion as the opportunity for a pick is greater. On top of that Allen drills it right to defenders. Is it really possible Hunt is worse in a game? I don't know but I'd like to find out. I have zero confidence in Allen at the moment. Don't see the leadership.

 

[SmilinBob]

Does Allen have the same type of release as SD qb Rivers?

 

[Stern]

And btw, Allen's arm slot may be the worst I have ever seen from a QB. From the shoulder? Really?

Agree. Allen has a wind-up that some MLB pitchers are jealous of! Jesus it takes him forever for him to release the ball

 

[OttoForLife]

Per the infamous Michael Cohen.

Not the perfect thing to say right now...

What concerns me is that I heard just before the season from someone close to a player that the team felt Hunt was the guy and that since he has been in the program for a while, they felt good about seeing someone who paid his dues get the nod. (Don't infer from this that the team didn't like Allen.)

Clearly that was bad info. However, I think it's safe to assume Hunt has more friends at this point than Allen.

If the staff sticks with Allen and he continues to underwhelm, I think it's going to be hard for the coaches to keep the respect of players. This isn't your typical "backup QB is the most popular guy on the team." The current starter is an outsider, who if you asked me, needed to be be head and shoulders above Hunt to win the job seeing how he is a one and done. Dangerous situation if a big portion of the roster sees this as Hunt getting slighted.

 

[SmilinBob]

I was worried about that carpetbagging thing and unless you have a Wilson (Wisconsin) like talent it may come back to bite you in the butt.

 

[rrlbees]

Pace, Bees...pace. It was night and day. As I said, I'm not talking results. Plus, I have NEVER seen so many batted balls from a 6'4 guy in two games. It's not like guys were leaping to bat them. Batted ball is worse than an incompletion as the opportunity for a pick is greater. On top of that Allen drills it right to defenders. Is it really possible Hunt is worse in a game? I don't know but I'd like to find out. I have zero confidence in Allen at the moment. Don't see the leadership.

Pace is part of what I was talking about. If we aren't on the sidelines trying to scheme against what NW might do and both teams are just playing basic, plays get in quicker, there is less reading at the LOS and things just go at a quicker pace.


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[TerryM]

We have a very weak OC he is in over his head at this point. He may grow into the position but he is so lost at this point he couldnt find his ass with a flashlight. McDonald is going to ruin both Drew and possibly Hunt as the Little train crew ruined Robinson. Allen has tools but he may have tunnel vision and that is death for a QB. Watching the game you could see him locking in on his primary reciever. His side arm delivery negates his height. Sure he can see over the line but he might as well be 5-5 as he throws the ball from his shoulder on anything but the long ball. What we have is a mess. A coach who is in over his head trying to coach a qb who needs great coaching and is getting anything but that.

This is , when as a HC, You get hardnosed and make the calls needed. What is on the field is a reflection of what SS does and allows.

There is no reason to go down with the ship, however SS brought in people he knew and trusted rather than great coaches. I fear he has tethered himself to them and unless he had pre job talks about this, may be in big trouble.

 

[boog7]

What concerns me is that I heard just before the season from someone close to a player that the team felt Hunt was the guy and that since he has been in the program for a while, they felt good about seeing someone who paid his dues get the nod. ... The current starter is an outsider, who if you asked me, needed to be be head and shoulders above Hunt to win the job seeing how he is a one and done. Dangerous situation if a big portion of the roster sees this as Hunt getting slighted.

There is a report in another thread that Hunt was on the sideline rallying his teammates even though he wasn't playing at the time, and that Allen was sitting on the bench by himself, only interacting w/ the coaches. I find that to be a very troubling development. Team sports, like most things in life, revolve around relationships and often times, the stronger the relationships, the stronger the camaraderie and team chemistry, both of which are crucial ingredients to winning.

 

[orangenirvana]

Yes, he had a nice scramble last night, but he's not going to be going for 60-70 yards rushing each week.

Why not? He plows through people with his size and has the quickness and cut-back ability of a 5-8 180 pound tailback.

 

[SmilinBob]

There is a report in another thread that Hunt was on the sideline rallying his teammates even though he wasn't playing at the time, and that Allen was sitting on the bench by himself, only interacting w/ the coaches. I find that to be a very troubling development. Team sports, like most things in life, revolve around relationships and often times, the stronger the relationships, the stronger the camaraderie and team chemistry, both of which are crucial ingredients to winning.

That's one thing I've always felt about Oklahoma or Texas, somebody punches them in the mouth and they wuss away. Lots of press clippings but when things get hard they fad away and I'm hoping that Allen didn't learn that trait from his former coach.

 

[longislandcuse]

What I haven't seen mentioned during all the GM bashing is the difference in pace when Hunt went in. They were at the line very quickly with no apparent confusion. Hunt made adjustments and they ran plays without a hitch. In style and tempo it reminded me of last years offense. GM looked just fine, then. Yes, yes, yes...I know it was the backups for NW, but I am talking about execution and pace, not just results. Drew Allen does not look to have it, Hunt does. And btw, Allen's arm slot may be the worst I have ever seen from a QB. From the shoulder? Really?

So my question is a simple one: Is Allen making GM look bad or is GM making Allen look bad, because the offense ran smoother with Hunt.

So far Drew Allen is playing like an unathletic Tim Tebow. Weird throwing motion, wildly inaccurate but throws a beautiful deep ball.

 

[cuseincincy]

If McDonald did indeed say that he needs to either learn or be reminded that OC's should not be heard from. The head coach should be the only voice of the team. I am getting tired of seemingly always having the season seem over by week 2. The next 2 games will show us nothing. Grob could have beat these teams. I feel for you season ticket holders. A trip to the Dome is/should be an exciting event filled with anticipation. How can you look forward to Wagner, Tulane and then Clemson? SU is already 2-3 in my mind.

 

[BlackKnight76]

What do you expect him to say? "Drew sucks and we're excommunicating him"? Let's see who plays on Saturday, that's way more important than whatever coachspeak we get post-game. I hope and expect both QBs to get plenty of time.

 

[CuseOnly]

Syracuse is not and has never been a pocket passing team that I can recall. Freeze option, read option, spread hurry up read option, call it what you will.

We have always had mobile athletic QB's as far back as I can remember and yes Nassib was more mobile and a better runner than Allen.

With Allen, I am not sure what defenses are supposed to fear from him, someone please help me.
Is it that he throws balls directly int to their hands to be intercepted or batted?
Is he that dangerous a runner?
Is he so accurate that you have to cover so well?
Is he going to out-think the defense and put you in the perfect play to beat them?
Does he run the offense so fast that you can't catch your breath to get lined up for the next play?
Is he shifty?
Is he that athletic?
Is the scheme of the offense so great for his style of play?

After seeing him play so far, I don't see how he fits into anything at all.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Syracuse is not and has never been a pocket passing team that I can recall. Freeze option, read option, spread hurry up read option, call it what you will.

We have always had mobile athletic QB's as far back as I can remember and yes Nassib was more mobile and a better runner than Allen.

With Allen, I am not sure what defenses are supposed to fear from him, someone please help me.
Is it that he throws balls directly int to their hands to be intercepted or batted?
Is he that dangerous a runner?
Is he so accurate that you have to cover so well?
Is he going to out-think the defense and put you in the perfect play to beat them?
Does he run the offense so fast that you can't catch your breath to get lined up for the next play?
Is he shifty?
Is he that athletic?
Is the scheme of the offense so great for his style of play?

After seeing him play so far, I don't see how he fits into anything at all.

And yet hunt couldn't beat him out.

Scary problems up there.

 

[orangepassion]

What do you expect him to say? "Drew sucks and we're excommunicating him?".

No, but that would be pretty cool if he did

 

[CuseOnly]

And yet hunt couldn't beat him out.

Scary problems up there.

Every time anyone mentioned Allen to a coach, they invoked the "...he has a big arm, throws a nice ball". Maybe they are blinded by that and don't see that his style of play and "big arm" are not what this team needs. Maybe we should be a team that is 70/30 weighted towards the run, not the pass and the arm means nothing.

Isn't that where we thought our strengths were before the season started? How is that turning out for us? Jerome has 26 touches through 2 games...and 2 of them were passes...1 dropped, 1 caught.

I think they are trying to force this team to be something it is not.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Ahhh, I get it. It's a profit deal!

Well played, Navin!

 

[baggerbob]

At least with Hunt in the game you could run an option, and get Ashton in open space, with the defense having to try to stop one or the other.

 

[orangejunkie]

Wow, can't believe everyone is pulling the plug on Allen this quickly. They had an open competition in the preseason and by all accounts Allen was the better player, at least that is the opinion of the coaches. What happens if he starts Hunt and he has a "bad" game, do you throw him under the bus and go to #3 option. I don't know who would be best and would not offer an opinion, but I trust the coaches to make the right call on this.

 

[ssbriefcase]

And yet hunt couldn't beat him out.

Scary problems up there.

Well that was in practice. That's one way to evaluate, and now hopefully we're in stage 2 of evaluating (in games)..

 

[CuseOnly]

Wow, can't believe everyone is pulling the plug on Allen this quickly. They had an open competition in the preseason and by all accounts Allen was the better player, at least that is the opinion of the coaches. What happens if he starts Hunt and he has a "bad" game, do you throw him under the bus and go to #3 option. I don't know who would be best and would not offer an opinion, but I trust the coaches to make the right call on this.

Open competition as to who should start the season. Didn't they say the competition was close? If it was that close, after seeing the chosen starter, wouldn't you re-think the decision after seeing him actually in action?

I trust they thought they made the right call in the first place...

 

[CuseOnly]

Wow, can't believe everyone is pulling the plug on Allen this quickly. They had an open competition in the preseason and by all accounts Allen was the better player, at least that is the opinion of the coaches. What happens if he starts Hunt and he has a "bad" game, do you throw him under the bus and go to #3 option. I don't know who would be best and would not offer an opinion, but I trust the coaches to make the right call on this.

I can only go by what I see. What have you seen so far that makes you not want to try something else?

Is it the bad field presence, the tremendous command of the offense, the interceptions, the batted balls, the handoff every time on the read option, the throws out of bounds, the inability to get the offense in position, the spectacular running ability (sarcasm), the pinpoint accuracy?

Definition of insanity...you know the drill.

 

[orangejunkie]

CuseOnly, good points. Makes sense. I have a feeling that we will be seeing more of Terrel Hunt in the next couple games. Based on that one series, he does bring an element to the team that is lacking currently. However, not convinced he should be given the starters role outright. He should have to earn it with solid play and not by default. I have confidence that the coaches will make the right decision. As others have posted, there is some tweaking to the starters that should happen at other positions as well.