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Not sure our fanbase is ready for 43 3-point attempts a game...
So no Buddy, Griff, or Girard driveway backdown and turnaround fadeaway 17 footers?
Not sure our fanbase is ready for 43 3-point attempts a game...
The issues are WAY more then just not having a center......Please check your orange color glasses at the door.We have talented, athletic players. What we don't have is a center. We are a headless horseman trying to win the ACC.
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So no Buddy, Griff, or Girard driveway backdown and turnaround fadeaway 17 footers?
Sure the past was a success. Nobody here is saying it wasn't. It's just that it is "The Past". Players are much better shooters today then back then and the 2-3 is not a good defense against team that can shoot from the outside. If JB use to run a M-to-M back in the day then he should add it back to his arsenal. All he has today is 2-3 and a press. That is is it, and it hasn't worked in quite some time. His legacy will be that he stayed past his time if he doesn't change. Of course he won't because he is never wrong, just ask him.A little history lesson. We haven't been a 2-3 zone team for all of JB's 45 years. It really happened because our '96 team couldn't play man and lo and behold, we went to the title game playing only 2-3. And if you think the last 45 years have not been a success, you need to adjust your expectations.
Sure the past was a success. Nobody here is saying it wasn't. It's just that it is "The Past". Players are much better shooters today then back then and the 2-3 is not a good defense against team that can shoot from the outside. If JB use to run a M-to-M back in the day then he should add it back to his arsenal. All he has today is 2-3 and a press. That is is it, and it hasn't worked in quite some time. His legacy will be that he stayed past his time if he doesn't change. Of course he won't because he is never wrong, just ask him.
I disagree.We have talented, athletic players. What we don't have is a center. We are a headless horseman trying to win the ACC.
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Change the 45 to 25 then like it really changes my overall point. Thanks for reminding everyone that you're old. But yea put words in my mouth and assume I said that there was no success throughout said 45 years. We caught lightning in a bottle a few times w this "awesome" zone including in 2016, and that should erase double digit losses year in and year out for the last seven years, and oh don't forget, HOF coach!A little history lesson. We haven't been a 2-3 zone team for all of JB's 45 years. It really happened because our '96 team couldn't play man and lo and behold, we went to the title game playing only 2-3. And if you think the last 45 years have not been a success, you need to adjust your expectations.
3 of our starters are extremely un-athletic for college basketball.We have talented, athletic players. What we don't have is a center. We are a headless horseman trying to win the ACC.
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3 of our starters are extremely un-athletic for college basketball.
That's been the last six seasons. It's always something. And I don't think Bourama was going to be this amazing player anyway. Currently, and likely next season as well, the players aren't particularly well-suited for JAB's defense, which is not particularly well-suited for the present version of college basketball.Again, if Xour starting center's season hadn't ended after 4 minutes, we'd be playing a different tune.
He's a HOF'er though and he like ran man to man like two and a half decades ago! Lol. It was like my grade school teacher correcting my posture or something.Sure the past was a success. Nobody here is saying it wasn't. It's just that it is "The Past". Players are much better shooters today then back then and the 2-3 is not a good defense against team that can shoot from the outside. If JB use to run a M-to-M back in the day then he should add it back to his arsenal. All he has today is 2-3 and a press. That is is it, and it hasn't worked in quite some time. His legacy will be that he stayed past his time if he doesn't change. Of course he won't because he is never wrong, just ask him.
He's a HOF'er though and he like ran man to man like two and a half decades ago! Lol. It was like my grade school teacher correcting my posture or something.
I just wanted to point out your error. As far as being old, good luck living as long as I have.Change the 45 to 25 then like it really changes my overall point. Thanks for reminding everyone that you're old. But yea put words in my mouth and assume I said that there was no success throughout said 45 years. We caught lightning in a bottle a few times w this "awesome" zone including in 2016, and that should erase double digit losses year in and year out for the last seven years, and oh don't forget, HOF coach!
That's been the last six seasons. It's always something. And I don't think Bourama was going to be this amazing player anyway. Currently, and likely next season as well, the players aren't particularly well-suited for JAB's defense, which is not particularly well-suited for the present version of college basketball.
Can the 2-3 still be an elite defense? Sure. With the right players. But M2M can be an elite defense too but without athletic stringbeans with 8-ft wingspans.
Lol. Texas Tech is NOT a top 3 Big 12 school. That’s a ridiculous assertion. Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are superior. Baylor at least has a decade-plus of success under Scott Drew. TT was an afterthought for years and years (even with Bobby Knight!) until Beard showed up. But yea, he wont come here—unless we pay him an absurd amount of money, which we won’t. He’s waiting for a Kansas, Kentucky Duke UNC blue blood job to open up.Beard has spent his whole life in the south, makes $4.5M a year, and is a coach at arguably a top 3 Big12 school ... really hard to think we’d be a draw for him
You don’t have to dunk to be athletic, Marek can dunk, he should, he’s 7 foot tall. I could dunk at 38 years old and I haven’t been what I’d consider athletic since 2011.Marek is very mobile and can dunk. he's just not muscular. joe is a fine athlete, (state champion high school QB). He's strong for a guard. He's just short. Buddy is an outside shooter. He doesn't have to win dunk contests. Quincy, Alan, Kadary, Robert Woody and, if he were available, Frank are all above average. Bourama might be if healthy and Jesse is mobile- he's, again, skinny.
Again, if our starting center's season hadn't ended after 4 minutes, we'd be playing a different tune.
No one is saying Bourama is some amazing all-league player. The point is we have NO ONE (with actual experience) to play center right now except a converted skinny PF who is completely overmatched manning the middle. Sidibe is an experienced center who can protect the paint and the rim and rebound the ball, and he got better at those things at the end of last season. He also has solid footwork and can score down low when he’s given the ball. That’s what we need right now. His injury most definitely hurt this team’s potential.That's been the last six seasons. It's always something. And I don't think Bourama was going to be this amazing player anyway. Currently, and likely next season as well, the players aren't particularly well-suited for JAB's defense, which is not particularly well-suited for the present version of college basketball.
Can the 2-3 still be an elite defense? Sure. With the right players. But M2M can be an elite defense too but without athletic stringbeans with 8-ft wingspans.
Marek is very mobile and can dunk. he's just not muscular. joe is a fine athlete, (state champion high school QB). He's strong for a guard. He's just short. Buddy is an outside shooter. He doesn't have to win dunk contests. Quincy, Alan, Kadary, Robert Woody and, if he were available, Frank are all above average. Bourama might be if healthy and Jesse is mobile- he's, again, skinny.
Again, if our starting center's season hadn't ended after 4 minutes, we'd be playing a
Yes, I don't get how everybody makes Sidibe to be some kind of All-American or second coming of Rony Seikaly. He showed some promise and potential at the end of the season but he was far from being a proven commodity. People made some hopeful, unfounded assumptions about how good he is.That's been the last six seasons. It's always something. And I don't think Bourama was going to be this amazing player anyway. Currently, and likely next season as well, the players aren't particularly well-suited for JAB's defense, which is not particularly well-suited for the present version of college basketball.
Can the 2-3 still be an elite defense? Sure. With the right players. But M2M can be an elite defense too but without athletic stringbeans with 8-ft wingspans.
It's not the system. It's the players. Boeheim's defense is a match up zone - it shares many of the qualities of a good man to man defense.Sure the past was a success. Nobody here is saying it wasn't. It's just that it is "The Past". Players are much better shooters today then back then and the 2-3 is not a good defense against team that can shoot from the outside. If JB use to run a M-to-M back in the day then he should add it back to his arsenal. All he has today is 2-3 and a press. That is is it, and it hasn't worked in quite some time. His legacy will be that he stayed past his time if he doesn't change. Of course he won't because he is never wrong, just ask him.
Yes, I don't get how everybody makes Sidibe to be some kind of All-American or second coming of Rony Seikaly. He showed some promise and potential at the end of the season but he was far from being a proven commodity. People made some hopeful, unfounded assumptions about how good he is.
Also the ripple effect of Sid is that it would push Gurrier to the 3 where he would be a monster and let him play the weak side of our zone, Griffen to the 2 where he should be. We would immediately have ACC size across the front court.Nobody has said that Sidibe is an All-American or the second coming of Rony Seikaly. But he was a very effective center at the end of last season and could certainly have been a difference-maker this season.
Which would be irrelevant, if JB insists on playing his son for 38 minutes at the 2, which forces Griffin to the 3.Also the ripple effect of Sid is that it would push Gurrier to the 3 where he would be a monster and let him play the weak side of our zone, Griffen to the 2 where he should be. We would immediately have ACC size across the front court.