Miner is a Minor

[CuseOnly]

it might matter if your unemployed and living in this community!!!

Why? There are plenty of unemployed in NYC and taxpayers ponied up 1 Billion. Why is it different here?

Unemployment is a reason not to build a stadium? If anything it is the perfect reason to build a stadium or anything for that matter.

 

[CuseOnly]

it might matter if your unemployed and living in this community!!!

I would like to hear something that makes sense as to why she would put the kibosh on this project.

 

[Crusty]

I certainly hope she doesn't have the curse of the Mill Town Mentality that so inflicted CNY for 50 years. I hope it is nothing more than just politics because after all, a $500 million project is not getting built without politics!

 

[Cusefan78]

This crap about she has reasons and it's bad for the city is crap. They can build a 500 million dollar wall in Kennedy center at it would be good for the city. I'm sick of the she has her reasons is bs. If she wanted the stadium she would have said yes from the get go and figured out the issues before a shovel hit the ground.

 

[TheCusian]

I would like to hear something that makes sense as to why she would put the kibosh on this project.

It's taxes. I don't know how or why - but it's always about taxes.

 

[Opus]

Miner v Mahoney. Steel cage. Pay per view. I'd pay.

 

[OburgOrange]

Miner v Mahoney. Steel cage. Pay per view. I'd pay.

 

[CousCuse]

How does the Mayor get away with this nonsense that she had no idea that this project was being discussed? City hall is a stones throw from both the county building and the university, not in a different timezone. She doesn't have people on her staff who part of their job is to meet with and "have coffee" with to exchange low level info on the county and university staffs? Sometimes these people are referred to as spys and are employed to prevent such embarrassments , she must be a completely inept politician. And if her goal was to recruit every negative, backward looking , visionless , narrow minded nihilist to her corner, well she accomplished that.

 

[CuseOnly]

It's taxes. I don't know how or why - but it's always about taxes.

That is my point.

How much is the city collecting on the property now...answer Zero.

If they built it with a "free taxes" deal for 10 years, how much is the city collecting...answer, Zero for 10 years, then they start collecting. Win for the city, YAY!

If they built it and the city starts collecting taxes immediately...YAY, win for the city!

Not sure if there is another way...but the last 2 are wins for the city, #1 is not. She needs to get her head on straight.

 

[CuseOnly]

How does the Mayor get away with this nonsense that she had no idea that this project was being discussed? City hall is a stones throw from both the county building and the university, not in a different timezone. She doesn't have people on her staff who part of their job is to meet with and "have coffee" with to exchange low level info on the county and university staffs? Sometimes these people are referred to as spys and are employed to prevent such embarrassments , she must be a completely inept politician. And if her goal was to recruit every negative, backward looking , visionless , narrow minded nihilist to her corner, well she accomplished that.

She hires only relatives and family friends to work for her and clearly they are a lot like her, inept and useless.

 

[CIL]

Hold tight...she is 100 % for it, so am I, but too many here is focusing in the wrong areas.

COR/SU along with the county executive approached Cuomo. Miner IS REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE.

I can' come out in public until some very important details are worked out.

Did they plan on using cyborgs and cheap alien slave labor to build the stadium?

 

[Crusty]

I don't live in Syracuse and never have, but I can tell you that when was growing up in Utica we lost every competition for industry with Syracuse and one of the main reasons was becasue it had SU. Hard to compete with that 50 miles away.

Clearly, both towns were politically corrupt, which meant that nothing could get done without the pols and their friends getting their share. Sometimes, it is legal - patronage jobs and the like and sometimes it is just political horse trading - you vote for mine and I will vote for yours. Sometimes it is acceptable and sometime not.

In some towns however, splitting up the pie is more important than baking another pie. It appears that this may be the case with the new stadium deal. The numbers in this deal are so large that the special interests will fight to the death to get what they consider their fair share. It seems to me that is what this this political dust up is all about.

I don't know the Mayor and know nothing about her so I looked up her background. Her Bio is everything you need to know to understand her position. The city website: "In 1999, Miner earned her J.D. from SUNY Buffalo and began working at Blitman & King, LLP as a labor lawyer, representing unions and employees."

Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit.The Mayor sits with the unions. Until they are happy that they have been taken care of, she will be not be happy.

She would do well to learn the lessons of history and be careful to take care of the Golden Goose for SU is the best thing Syracuse has going for it IMO.

 

[NKR1978]

She is a small view thinker. Typical Syracuse political mindset.

Think it extends to the community at large. Look at all the blowback Gross has gotten over the years for having the audacity act like Syracuse is a big deal in college sports across the board.

Nancy Cantor had her faults, but the fact that people in Syracuse seem to talk about the Connective Corridor as a negative thing blows my mind. Central New Yorkers don't seem to like outside the box thinking or anything that shakes their world view. CNYers have a lot of great qualities but they also have a bit of a fatalism.

At first I was against a new stadium, now I want it. It would be good for SU, good for Syracuse and good for Central New York. It's also a bargain for my tax money compared to what we paid for with Yankee Stadium, Citi Field and the renovations to Ralph Wilson Stadium.

 

[Crusty]

Think it extends to the community at large. Look at all the blowback Gross has gotten over the years for having the audacity act like Syracuse is a big deal in college sports across the board.

Nancy Cantor had her faults, but the fact that people in Syracuse seem to talk about the Connective Corridor as a negative thing blows my mind. Central New Yorkers don't seem to like outside the box thinking or anything that shakes their world view. CNYers have a lot of great qualities but they also have a bit of a fatalism.

At first I was against a new stadium, now I want it. It would be good for SU, good for Syracuse and good for Central New York. It's also a bargain for my tax money compared to what we paid for with Yankee Stadium, Citi Field and the renovations to Ralph Wilson Stadium.

As I have posted before, it is called Mill Town Mentality. I grew up with it and it is the main reason CNYers are often their own worst enemies. Healthy skepticism is fine and useful but full blown negativism is unproductive and can be lethal. Some say that a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. To me, it is Mill Town Mentality.

I have lived and worked in CT, NYC,FL, CA and NC and have never found people better than in CNY (yes, being one of them I am biased). That said, I only encountered that kind of negativism in CNY. It will take a bunch of outsiders to change that mindset so I root for the new Chancellor and TGD and hope that things will change for the better.

Does the Mayor have a plan to save her city? Can being a roadblock to a $500+ million project funded with outside money really be a part of her plan? At the end of the day the project will get done with or without her support. Sooner or later she will learn that she has few cards in her hand. The PR machine will roll over her if she stands in the way.

 

[kcsu]

As I have posted before, it is called Mill Town Mentality. I grew up with it and it is the main reason CNYers are often their own worst enemies. Healthy skepticism is fine and useful but full blown negativism is unproductive and can be lethal. Some say that a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. To me, it is Mill Town Mentality.

I have lived and worked in CT, NYC,FL, CA and NC and have never found people better than in CNY (yes, being one of them I am biased). That said, I only encountered that kind of negativism in CNY. It will take a bunch of outsiders to change that mindset so I root for the new Chancellor and TGD and hope that things will change for the better.

Does the Mayor have a plan to save her city? Can being a roadblock to a $500+ million project funded with outside money really be a part of her plan? At the end of the day the project will get done with or without her support. Sooner or later she will learn that she has few cards in her hand. The PR machine will roll over her if she stands in the way.

Great post. I have lived in CNY, NYC, Omaha, KC, London, and now CO. I have been very fortunate to meet some great people and truly feel that each area is full of them. CNY is a glass half full kind of place. It needs leadership that dreams and pushes for big things to happen. KC had that leadership and changed a DMZ zone called downtown into a thriving area. Omaha to the waterfront and built an empire of modern growth. Syracuse needs to sieze this moment as they dont come around often. Minor needs to get her head screwed on straight and become part of the solution vs the problem or she will be steam rolled.

 

[supp]

As I have posted before, it is called Mill Town Mentality. I grew up with it and it is the main reason CNYers are often their own worst enemies. Healthy skepticism is fine and useful but full blown negativism is unproductive and can be lethal. Some say that a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. To me, it is Mill Town Mentality.

I have lived and worked in CT, NYC,FL, CA and NC and have never found people better than in CNY (yes, being one of them I am biased). That said, I only encountered that kind of negativism in CNY. It will take a bunch of outsiders to change that mindset so I root for the new Chancellor and TGD and hope that things will change for the better.

Does the Mayor have a plan to save her city? Can being a roadblock to a $500+ million project funded with outside money really be a part of her plan? At the end of the day the project will get done with or without her support. Sooner or later she will learn that she has few cards in her hand. The PR machine will roll over her if she stands in the way.

Only the people who haven't been paying attention think that she's against the project. SU provided the Mayor's office no info on the project they had researched partly with taxpayer money despite repeated requests. Mahoney's office and the governor were left in the dark too. Even now, SU won't turn over its feasibility report but instead sends the Mayor a letter from their legal counsel with little more info than we already had. Why is that? I would be skeptical too.

Mahoney and Cuomo have led the charge here and seem quite comfortable throwing around taxpayer money without having a full-fledged plan on how to do this or even knowing if it's worth doing. Previous experiences around the country with stadium building should give us all pause. When you fund major projects with bond issues, if you default on the payments at any time, you risk the bond rating institutions downgrading those bonds, raising your costs to borrow for this and any future project you may have. A concrete financial plan that minimizes the govt's burdens (short and long-term) isn't too much to ask for before we move ahead.

I hate to keep bringing it up but it's a valid example: the City of Louisville has had big problems keeping up with repayments on the Yum Center and the bonds they issued for it have recently been downgraded to "junk" status. This makes everything that the City wants to do more difficult and expensive going forward. Bond issues for vital (and not vanity) city projects in the future are going to be that much harder and more expensive to launch. There are long-term effects to consider with a project like this. It's shocking to me that some of the Repubs on board here are seemingly encouraging us to go through with this project blindly, only because the Democrat mayor is looking to slow things down. This is exactly the kind of fiscal irresponsibility that they like to rail against the Dems for.

You can talk about economic development but studies have shown that beyond the short-term boost in construction jobs, new stadiums don't create much in the way of an economic knock-on effect. This project doesn't solve any of the city's longterm problems. And the County residents should care about that because they're going to be part of the bailout if/when Syracuse goes belly up. It's definitely worth asking in my mind whether for $500 million we're really getting the bang for our buck.

No one doubts that this project is a home run for SU. People like Miner are wondering if it's a home run for Syracuse and Onondaga County.

 

[Crusty]

Only the people who haven't been paying attention think that she's against the project. SU provided the Mayor's office no info on the project they had researched partly with taxpayer money despite repeated requests. Mahoney's office and the governor were left in the dark too. Even now, SU won't turn over its feasibility report but instead sends the Mayor a letter from their legal counsel with little more info than we already had. Why is that? I would be skeptical too.

Mahoney and Cuomo have led the charge here and seem quite comfortable throwing around taxpayer money without having a full-fledged plan on how to do this or even knowing if it's worth doing. Previous experiences around the country with stadium building should give us all pause. When you fund major projects with bond issues, if you default on the payments at any time, you risk the bond rating institutions downgrading those bonds, raising your costs to borrow for this and any future project you may have. A concrete financial plan that minimizes the govt's burdens (short and long-term) isn't too much to ask for before we move ahead.

I hate to keep bringing it up but it's a valid example: the City of Louisville has had big problems keeping up with repayments on the Yum Center and the bonds they issued for it have recently been downgraded to "junk" status. This makes everything that the City wants to do more difficult and expensive going forward. Bond issues for vital (and not vanity) city projects in the future are going to be that much harder and more expensive to launch. There are long-term effects to consider with a project like this. It's shocking to me that some of the Repubs on board here are seemingly encouraging us to go through with this project blindly, only because the Democrat mayor is looking to slow things down. This is exactly the kind of fiscal irresponsibility that they like to rail against the Dems for.

You can talk about economic development but studies have shown that beyond the short-term boost in construction jobs, new stadiums don't create much in the way of an economic knock-on effect. This project doesn't solve any of the city's longterm problems. And the County residents should care about that because they're going to be part of the bailout if/when Syracuse goes belly up. It's definitely worth asking in my mind whether for $500 million we're really getting the bang for our buck.

No one doubts that this project is a home run for SU. People like Miner are wondering if it's a home run for Syracuse and Onondaga County.

If the state issues GO bonds the success or failure of the project will not impact its rating in the slightest. Half a billion in a state with a $125 billion budget is nothing.

The health of SU and its national prominence is just about the only thing Syracuse has going for it. Take away SU BB and FB and Syracuse would never be mentioned in the national media. The city could not even find a developer for a convention hotel. There are no other plans as exciting and comprehensive as this project.

The mayor is in favor of the project if her union buddies are taken care of - simple parochial politics. What did you expect? She is a freakin labor lawyer for Pete's sake. She deserves no kudos for that.

 

[CuseOnly]

Only the people who haven't been paying attention think that she's against the project. SU provided the Mayor's office no info on the project they had researched partly with taxpayer money despite repeated requests. Mahoney's office and the governor were left in the dark too. Even now, SU won't turn over its feasibility report but instead sends the Mayor a letter from their legal counsel with little more info than we already had. Why is that? I would be skeptical too.

Mahoney and Cuomo have led the charge here and seem quite comfortable throwing around taxpayer money without having a full-fledged plan on how to do this or even knowing if it's worth doing. Previous experiences around the country with stadium building should give us all pause. When you fund major projects with bond issues, if you default on the payments at any time, you risk the bond rating institutions downgrading those bonds, raising your costs to borrow for this and any future project you may have. A concrete financial plan that minimizes the govt's burdens (short and long-term) isn't too much to ask for before we move ahead.

I hate to keep bringing it up but it's a valid example: the City of Louisville has had big problems keeping up with repayments on the Yum Center and the bonds they issued for it have recently been downgraded to "junk" status. This makes everything that the City wants to do more difficult and expensive going forward. Bond issues for vital (and not vanity) city projects in the future are going to be that much harder and more expensive to launch. There are long-term effects to consider with a project like this. It's shocking to me that some of the Repubs on board here are seemingly encouraging us to go through with this project blindly, only because the Democrat mayor is looking to slow things down. This is exactly the kind of fiscal irresponsibility that they like to rail against the Dems for.

You can talk about economic development but studies have shown that beyond the short-term boost in construction jobs, new stadiums don't create much in the way of an economic knock-on effect. This project doesn't solve any of the city's longterm problems. And the County residents should care about that because they're going to be part of the bailout if/when Syracuse goes belly up. It's definitely worth asking in my mind whether for $500 million we're really getting the bang for our buck.

No one doubts that this project is a home run for SU. People like Miner are wondering if it's a home run for Syracuse and Onondaga County.

The feasibility report that SU did with another agency that is not subject to FOIL, simply put they don't have to turn it over to anyone. This has been reported so I am not sure how you missed it.

Secondly, who in their right mind would do a complete plan for this type of thing and spend a few million on architects, engineers, site surveys, environmental studies and all of the other things that go into it and have no idea if you are going to have the funding?

I was going to do a feasibility study myself for a 10,000 square foot garage I can't afford and don't have enough land to put it on...

The "deal" the city of Louisville got for that stadium was the worst screw-job of all time BTW. That is a complete outlier and this project has nothing in common with it.

Onondaga County would be issuing the bonds in this case, not the city and also adding a tax to hotels in the area to fund the dollars that they are putting up. The rent that SU alone would be putting up would be a reported $5+ million a year.

This would have been a win for the city also in the fact that it has been stated that the building would be fully taxable on top of the fact that the land it would be on is state land now and not being taxed.

Like I said in another post, I would like to see or hear something THAT MAKES SENSE as to why she or anyone would oppose this project.

 

[kcsu]

Only the people who haven't been paying attention think that she's against the project. SU provided the Mayor's office no info on the project they had researched partly with taxpayer money despite repeated requests. Mahoney's office and the governor were left in the dark too. Even now, SU won't turn over its feasibility report but instead sends the Mayor a letter from their legal counsel with little more info than we already had. Why is that? I would be skeptical too.

Mahoney and Cuomo have led the charge here and seem quite comfortable throwing around taxpayer money without having a full-fledged plan on how to do this or even knowing if it's worth doing. Previous experiences around the country with stadium building should give us all pause. When you fund major projects with bond issues, if you default on the payments at any time, you risk the bond rating institutions downgrading those bonds, raising your costs to borrow for this and any future project you may have. A concrete financial plan that minimizes the govt's burdens (short and long-term) isn't too much to ask for before we move ahead.

I hate to keep bringing it up but it's a valid example: the City of Louisville has had big problems keeping up with repayments on the Yum Center and the bonds they issued for it have recently been downgraded to "junk" status. This makes everything that the City wants to do more difficult and expensive going forward. Bond issues for vital (and not vanity) city projects in the future are going to be that much harder and more expensive to launch. There are long-term effects to consider with a project like this. It's shocking to me that some of the Repubs on board here are seemingly encouraging us to go through with this project blindly, only because the Democrat mayor is looking to slow things down. This is exactly the kind of fiscal irresponsibility that they like to rail against the Dems for.

You can talk about economic development but studies have shown that beyond the short-term boost in construction jobs, new stadiums don't create much in the way of an economic knock-on effect. This project doesn't solve any of the city's longterm problems. And the County residents should care about that because they're going to be part of the bailout if/when Syracuse goes belly up. It's definitely worth asking in my mind whether for $500 million we're really getting the bang for our buck.

No one doubts that this project is a home run for SU. People like Miner are wondering if it's a home run for Syracuse and Onondaga County.

You miss the point completely. Syracuse is not a strong economic city. Outside of the medical campus and the University it has nothing going for it as an economic base. The stadium might be a stretch but outside of landing a major corporation which is not going to happen name one non goverment medical or Syracuse project that is going to provide Syracuse with any degree of hope? Bonds are only issued on projects and good projects or Gov/SU projects will never have a hard time being funded so the argument on risking a down grade is irrelevant as there is nothing going on of significance now or in the near future that would be down graded.

In fact a new Stadium project might just provide the city with the ability to garner some interest from business.

As to the Union issue. Again a total joke. Does anyone think that any project of this size doesnt get built with the majority of the work completed by the Unions? We are not talking about adding a deck we are talking a major project the biggest this city will have seen since the dome was built.

Minor needs to push this get on the train and become part of the solution.

 

[retro44]

this is COR'S scope of it's work, strip malls to box stores from their own website

http://www.corcompanies.com/properties.html

This is way over their pay grade to build a stadium.

 

[CousCuse]

this is COR'S scope of it's work, strip malls to box stores from their own website

http://www.corcompanies.com/properties.html

This is way over their pay grade to build a stadium.

Don't worry, it's not going to be built, the Mayor succeeded at that. After her term of Mayor is up she can run for a congressional seat. Then she can vote against funding for any projects in the district that there could be any question about. Detailed studies that can take years need to be done. She could set an example for the rest of the congress and turn down wasteful money being sent back to us.

 

[CuseOnly]

this is COR'S scope of it's work, strip malls to box stores from their own website

http://www.corcompanies.com/properties.html

This is way over their pay grade to build a stadium.

I live in Clay right by the COR developed land out here and they own it all. Trust me, it is not above their pay grade and they have plenty of money.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Don't worry, it's not going to be built, the Mayor succeeded at that. After her term of Mayor is up she can run for a congressional seat. Then she can vote against funding for any projects in the district that there could be any question about. Detailed studies that can take years need to be done. She could set an example for the rest of the congress and turn down wasteful money being sent back to us.

She has no chance at congress

 

[RMH44]

She has no chance at congress

Really? We sent Maffei...so anything is possible.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Really? We sent Maffei...so anything is possible.

Speak for yourself. I don't hold any blame for that. My write in ballot was for None of the Above.

We haven't had a mayor with any vision or backbone since Lee Alexander. His reanimated body would have more political clout than what we have here now.

Syracuse needs someone with vision AND deep pockets that ISN'T owned by special interests or with a penchant for screwing over the little guy. Destiny, as it was originally envisioned, could have been a great thing for the city, but it was Congel's idea and NO ONE was going to trust him after the trail of wreckage he'd already left behind.

For once I'd just like to see the leaders of CNY do something positive for the area without all the BS and political posturing. It gets really old after awhile. No wonder young people want to move away from here. It isn't the weather that drives them out.