Miner is a Minor

[oldpinepoint]

Really? We sent Maffei...so anything is possible.

Maffei isn't going anywhere and I would be shocked if he lost his re-election. Stranger things have happened but I can envision her being elected for congress

 

[KellySyracuse]

Speak for yourself. I don't hold any blame for that. My write in ballot was for None of the Above.

We haven't had a mayor with any vision or backbone since Lee Alexander. His reanimated body would have more political clout than what we have here now.

Syracuse needs someone with vision AND deep pockets that ISN'T owned by special interests or with a penchant for screwing over the little guy. Destiny, as it was originally envisioned, could have been a great thing for the city, but it was Congel's idea and NO ONE was going to trust him after the trail of wreckage he'd already left behind.

For once I'd just like to see the leaders of CNY do something positive for the area without all the BS and political posturing. It gets really old after awhile. No wonder young people want to move away from here. It isn't the weather that drives them out.

C'mon, you can't be serious. Lee Alexander was on the take and used his political power to muscle people to his will, all the while lining his own pockets. He went to jail for it for crissakes which is why there are term limits on the mayoral job now. Tom Young was the last great mayor we've had and that was a damn long time ago.

I've not ever liked Miner but I'm not going to shoot her in the head because she wants to take 5 minutes to make sure this is a good deal for the city instead of jumping on the gd bandwagon because someone wants the next shiny new thing. I am amazed at those of you that want to jump off the bridge 2 weeks after hearing about this deal. Holy smokes.

 

[PeteCalvin]

C'mon, you can't be serious. Lee Alexander was on the take and used his political power to muscle people to his will, all the while lining his own pockets. He went to jail for it for crissakes which is why there are term limits on the mayoral job now. Tom Young was the last great mayor we've had and that was a damn long time ago.

I've not ever liked Miner but I'm not going to shoot her in the head because she wants to take 5 minutes to make sure this is a good deal for the city instead of jumping on the gd bandwagon because someone wants the next shiny new thing. I am amazed at those of you that want to jump off the bridge 2 weeks after hearing about this deal. Holy smokes.

Lee was on the take. I didn't say he was a saint. I know what the guy did. But he was effective at getting things done. And I agree with you on Tom Young, but he too failed to act with vision.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I live in Clay right by the COR developed land out here and they own it all. Trust me, it is not above their pay grade and they have plenty of money.

I think what Retro is saying, is that there is NO WAY that COR is set up or has the horsepower to build this stadium, this ain't no strip mall. Nothing to do with the finances. In fact, I would say that nobody in Syracuse has the horsepower, in fact I know they don't. I guess it depends what or who you call local. This project belongs with more of a national firm much like the one that built the dome. This scope of work is WAY over COR's head, way over. I know many developers like to play contractor but this is a much different animal.

I know a CM that will take a huge swing at it, already established with the City of Syracuse. There us a level of sophistication that goes with a project this size, that COR is not bringing to the table.

 

[retro44]

quote="IthacaBarrel, post: 908057, member: 363"]I think what Retro is saying, is that there is NO WAY that COR is set up or has the horsepower to build this stadium, this ain't no strip mall. Nothing to do with the finances. In fact, I would say that nobody in Syracuse has the horsepower, in fact I know they don't. I guess it depends what or who you call local. This project belongs with more of a national firm much like the one that built the dome. This scope of work is WAY over COR's head, way over. I know many developers like to play contractor but this is a much different animal.

I know a CM that will take a huge swing at it, already established with the City of Syracuse. There us a level of sophistication that goes with a project this size, that COR is not bringing to the table.[/quote]


yup ... Hunt construction would be one that seriously should be look at. And I could guess who the CM is very easily.

IB...I may be in Corning at the Diesel plant very shortly....looking for stainless welders

 

[GoSU96]

I think what Retro is saying, is that there is NO WAY that COR is set up or has the horsepower to build this stadium, this ain't no strip mall. Nothing to do with the finances. In fact, I would say that nobody in Syracuse has the horsepower, in fact I know they don't. I guess it depends what or who you call local. This project belongs with more of a national firm much like the one that built the dome. This scope of work is WAY over COR's head, way over. I know many developers like to play contractor but this is a much different animal.

I know a CM that will take a huge swing at it, already established with the City of Syracuse. There us a level of sophistication that goes with a project this size, that COR is not bringing to the table.

I'm with you on that. That's why some of this doesn't make sense, unless what they get is the surrounding parts like the retail and hotel part exclusively and the stadium is given to someone that can handle that.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I'm with you on that. That's why some of this doesn't make sense, unless what they get is the surrounding parts like the retail and hotel part exclusively and the stadium is given to someone that can handle that.

I think that is what we will see for sure.. I am sure they can broker it somehow where COR gets a part where they benefit but turning the construction of a 500 mil facility ain't happening. They thing would never get out of the ground. It's a huge project. However, this project will come down to about 3-4 National firms, IMO. Even the heavy hitters throughout CNY might be a small part of a JV but that would be it.

 

[Crusty]

Developers are developers and construction companies are construction companies. The developer who will put up $100 million will hire a competent construction company. Also, if SU is putting up money I am sure they will need to be satisfied that the project is in good hands as will the state. This baby has a long way to go before it gets off the drawing board, which it is not even on yet.

 

[retro44]

And developers are contractors too. Developers who are contractors are known to give themselves no bid contracts to pad their profits.

Very loose terms on who is who and what they can do. I "HAVE" work on very big projects on the east coast and to Chicago.

So developers do own construction companies

 

[Crusty]

And developers are contractors too. Developers who are contractors are known to give themselves no bid contracts to pad their profits.

Very loose terms on who is who and what they can do. I "HAVE" work on very big projects on the east coast and to Chicago.

So developers do own construction companies

Of course, but if you are a developer and your contractor "pads" the bid the project cost goes up and the IRR goes down? It would be left pocket -right pocket. Makes little sense unless you have a partner you can trick.

Regardless of ownership, the disciplines and skills sets are different.

 

[retro44]

it's been happening at other public works job and Indiana put in the bid process at Lucas field that they cannot bid on the work period

http://finance-commerce.com/2013/02/kraus-anderson-hopes-to-be-part-of-vikings-stadium-team/

Hunt was the “construction manager agent,” which means it helped oversee the work, including managing the budget, schedule and bidding, according to Klipsch.
Under Indiana law, Hunt wasn’t allowed to perform any of the work packages itself, although it does have the ability to self-perform and has done so on other projects outside of Indiana, Klipsch said


Read more: http://finance-commerce.com/2013/02/kraus-anderson-hopes-to-be-part-of-vikings-stadium-team/#ixzz2rdqXlO2d

 

[IthacaBarrel]

it's been happening at other public works job and Indiana put in the bid process at Lucas field that they cannot bid on the work period

http://finance-commerce.com/2013/02/kraus-anderson-hopes-to-be-part-of-vikings-stadium-team/

Hunt was the “construction manager agent,” which means it helped oversee the work, including managing the budget, schedule and bidding, according to Klipsch.
Under Indiana law, Hunt wasn’t allowed to perform any of the work packages itself, although it does have the ability to self-perform and has done so on other projects outside of Indiana, Klipsch said


Read more: http://finance-commerce.com/2013/02/kraus-anderson-hopes-to-be-part-of-vikings-stadium-team/#ixzz2rdqXlO2d

Agency CM, no risk, keeping score. Pike at upstate med.