Most important position in college basketball is PG

[Cuse_NYC]

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Can’t remember how much we’ve done it every year. But our centers today don’t do it every corner 3 either. It depends on the rotation and where the ball is coming from.

yeah, it’s the worst. I guess to compensate for the lack of athleticism at the 1-4 this yr

 

[stuckinbig11]

I will never understand this. The zone is not complex. Learning the zone is an extreme overreaction. The only thing somewhat dif to learn from the get-go is that the wings bump up when the ball is on their side. And I guess now, the center covers the corner 3. Everything else is a simple zone with a tweak here and there depending on who we are playing and how the game is going

Then you don't understand the complexity of the zone that JB uses.

 

[007]

If they did it back then, it was far and few between what we do now. There’s just no benefit. Ok, maybe a few blocks here and there. But more often than not it’s a foul or a missed 3. Well, used to be a missed 3.

As others have said, that rotation has been happening for a number of years. It's not new. The 5 is rotating to the corner depending on several factors...including how the O is aligned, where the pass is made from, and whether or not the play side forward is already covering a wing. It is nowhere near as simple as "the 5 covers the corner jumper." Teams have tried to exploit or force that rotation much more often now.

 

[CousCuse]

No. It wouldn't. It would be much more difficult for a guy that can't shoot to get his % up to a acceptable level. And we will see that when his man is allowed to help double our other guys. Like I said, I like Symir. He isn't a starter on a good team. There are plenty of guys out there than would be a big step up. we are just so starved for real pt guard play that when we glimpse it, we are so taken, we think we have struck gold. It happened last year with Kadary. There are guys in the portal that can really help us.

If Symir can shoot over 30% from 3, which if he shoots open looks should be doable, you will have to find a real top level point guard to have more game than him.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It’s a lot more complex than that. The most difficult part is probably the rotations based upon where the ball and opposing players are. The reaction to rotate has to be instinctual and quick. And covering the corner 3 isn’t something new.

When the forwards drop the guards have to fan out on the wings and the opposite guard then has to cover the weak side corner. Depending on the opponent, the rotations will change.

 

[pearl31]

If Symir can shoot over 30% from 3, which if he shoots open looks should be doable, you will have to find a real top level point guard to have more game than him.

I do agree with this - which makes it necessary, if no Mintz or Skyy, to land one of the higher-end (i.e. legit p5 starter-caliber) portal guards - as melancer notes above, might have to wait a few days/weeks for the portal to fill out with the most attractive options

 

[CousCuse]

I do agree with this - which makes it necessary, if no Mintz or Skyy, to land one of the higher-end (i.e. legit p5 starter-caliber) portal guards - as melancer notes above, might have to wait a few days/weeks for the portal to fill out with the most attractive options

The thing is, I think Symir has a lot more game to develop. His speed and quickness is world class. If you get a portal guy with only 1 year to play it will take him some time to get comfortable, he better be a 5 star can't miss player. If you take a portal guy with 2 years or more, that's a whole different thing to consider.

 

[pearl31]

The thing is, I think Symir has a lot more game to develop. His speed and quickness is world class. If you get a portal guy with only 1 year to play it will take him some time to get comfortable, he better be a 5 star can't miss player. If you take a portal guy with 2 years or more, that's a whole different thing to consider.

I don't know. If you want a strong, winning team in a p5 conference I don't think Symir is a starter on your team. And I like Symir and what he brings - just not quite as a starter getting a majority of the PG minutes

 

[rrlbees]

The limiting factor in his game would be his outside shooting. Passing, running the offense and D are as good as any other player could be. I think he can get his outside and 3 point percentages up to a acceptable level. To get a guy who can do everything at a high level would be very difficult.

While Sys Duke game was quite encouraging he has more to work on besides outside shooting. He was one of only 3 players along with Jimmy and Benny to be negative in defensive metrics and he was the highest of all players that played besides JBA in turnover percentage.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Before this yr, when did the Center cover the corner 3?

2003 vs Kansas

 

[Melancer46]

While Sys Duke game was quite encouraging he has more to work on besides outside shooting. He was one of only 3 players along with Jimmy and Benny to be negative in defensive metrics and he was the highest of all players that played besides JBA in turnover percentage.

Yep. I was highly skeptical of him coming in and thought I was proven correct at the beginning of the season. He definitely showed some promising stuff towards the end of the year but we're still probably in trouble if he's supposed to be one of our best players next year.

 

[MDCuse]

The limiting factor in his game would be his outside shooting. Passing, running the offense and D are as good as any other player could be. I think he can get his outside and 3 point percentages up to a acceptable level. To get a guy who can do everything at a high level would be very difficult.

Sy has been playing college ball for 3 years. Don't you think, if he could, he would have improved beyond what he is now? What exactly do you think is going to change that hasn't already happened in 3 years?

 

[MDCuse]

Yep. I was highly skeptical of him coming in and thought I was proven correct at the beginning of the season. He definitely showed some promising stuff towards the end of the year but we're still probably in trouble if he's supposed to be one of our best players next year.

He should absolutely get more minutes than he got this year (prior to the Duke game) but we can't rely on him to be a 30 MPG guy. He is a great compliment in the backcourt.

 

[Goin' Deep]

JBs 2-3 zone IS complex. Heck we even saw JB stack the guards at the top where it almost looked like a 1-3-1. JB has stated depending on the opposition, he'll bring our "5" up to contest the foul line jumper OR stay back if the guy is not a threat. But if the "5" is up how do we defend the block and corner on the same side
of the court? We struggled with (unathletic)upper class men meeting their assignments. We'll struggle with freshmen too.
I loved playing against a 2-3 zone as you'll get open shots...making them is the hard part.

 

[Orangezoo]

While Sys Duke game was quite encouraging he has more to work on besides outside shooting. He was one of only 3 players along with Jimmy and Benny to be negative in defensive metrics and he was the highest of all players that played besides JBA in turnover percentage.

He is a solid backup pg. Nothing wrong with that but key is "backup"

 

[CousCuse]

Sy has been playing college ball for 3 years. Don't you think, if he could, he would have improved beyond what he is now? What exactly do you think is going to change that hasn't already happened in 3 years?

I thought he was on a great trajectory this year until he got the lower body injury at Duke which was a huge setback for him. I think his play in the ACCT was more than solid and can see him getting significantly better with more PT.

 

[AngryOtto]

Soo evident watching these tournament games. It's amazing a staff full of point guards struggles to get a quality pg every year

Is it they struggle or does JB believe he can turn every combo guard into a true point guard?

 

[kcsu]

It’s a lot more complex than that. The most difficult part is probably the rotations based upon where the ball and opposing players are. The reaction to rotate has to be instinctual and quick. And covering the corner 3 isn’t something new.

Its very complicated which is the problem in todays college bball environment.
Jim doesnt have the luxury of kids sitting the bench long enough to learn and excel in this D.
Couple that with the fact that players have become much better at shooting the 3, coaches better at schemes to take advantage of the 3 and Jim is using a D that doesnt work nearly as well as it used to.
Jims still having his film developed in a digital world.

 

[rrlbees]

Its very complicated which is the problem in todays college bball environment.
Jim doesnt have the luxury of kids sitting the bench long enough to learn and excel in this D.
Couple that with the fact that players have become much better at shooting the 3, coaches better at schemes to take advantage of the 3 and Jim is using a D that doesnt work nearly as well as it used to.
Jims still having his film developed in a digital world.

The use of a zone is increasing each year. Heck, it was funny listening to the UConn fans complain that Hurley n didn’t go to a zone.

 

[kcsu]

The use of a zone is increasing each year. Heck, it was funny listening to the UConn fans complain that Hurley n didn’t go to a zone.

I love the Zone and think that Jims Zone with the right athletes like we used to have. Long Quick Athletic coupled with the time to learn it was lethal. Especially in March against teams that didnt have time to prepare.
Unfortunately with Bras, Q, and Kadary leaving we simply didnt have the proper personnel to play it well this year. Heck weren't we about last in D and wasn't this the worst D rating in Jims career.
My point wasn't about the zone. It was about Jims Zone.
I guess he thought we could outscore teams because hes certainly smart enough to know that our players were not built for it.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I thought he was on a great trajectory this year until he got the lower body injury at Duke which was a huge setback for him. I think his play in the ACCT was more than solid and can see him getting significantly better with more PT.

i dont see how people are so dismissive of Sy...he improved leaps and bounds over the year on limited minutes and despite an injury at a crucial time...by the time of the acct...he was damn good

he's got it...he's all the team needs at PG

do i still want more guards brought in? duh

if the staff can find someone better should they bring him? duh

personally want 4 or 5 guards on the roster...should be obvious

 

[dasher]

I thought he was on a great trajectory this year until he got the lower body injury at Duke which was a huge setback for him. I think his play in the ACCT was more than solid and can see him getting significantly better with more PT.

You know why? Because it is what you saw last. That happens with fans. They remember, good or bad, what they saw last. Symir played well in the ACC tournament. But it would be foolish to blow that out of proportion. He is a reserve guard. If he is more than that for us, we are in big trouble. Even in the ACC tournament, against FSU, they basically quit. And Duke is a team that doesn't back off anyone. They play in your face and because of that, his lack of a outside shot didn't cost us. against other teams, we wouldn't be so fortunate.

 

[CousCuse]

i dont see how people are so dismissive of Sy...he improved leaps and bounds over the year on limited minutes and despite an injury at a crucial time...by the time of the acct...he was damn good

he's got it...he's all the team needs at PG

do i still want more guards brought in? duh

if the staff can find someone better should they bring him? duh

personally want 4 or 5 guards on the roster...should be obvious

I can't imagine a guy looking at the situation and thinking they could just come in and snatch it from him. He's established in the program. You'd have to be one heck of a player to think it would be easy to take that spot.

 

[CousCuse]

You know why? Because it is what you saw last. That happens with fans. They remember, good or bad, what they saw last. Symir played well in the ACC tournament. But it would be foolish to blow that out of proportion. He is a reserve guard. If he is more than that for us, we are in big trouble. Even in the ACC tournament, against FSU, they basically quit. And Duke is a team that doesn't back off anyone. They play in your face and because of that, his lack of a outside shot didn't cost us. against other teams, we wouldn't be so fortunate.

He improved the entire year.

 

[kcsu]

You know why? Because it is what you saw last. That happens with fans. They remember, good or bad, what they saw last. Symir played well in the ACC tournament. But it would be foolish to blow that out of proportion. He is a reserve guard. If he is more than that for us, we are in big trouble. Even in the ACC tournament, against FSU, they basically quit. And Duke is a team that doesn't back off anyone. They play in your face and because of that, his lack of a outside shot didn't cost us. against other teams, we wouldn't be so fortunate.

Hes a heck of a lot better than we have seen.
I saw the same thing in Frank and most on here didn't.
Sys good. Hes the total package. He lacks a shot which to your point is bad. But compared to Joe who frankly only has a shot he is exponentially better at the point.