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One of the things that is really exciting about Freeman is how much better he has gotten in just the last 18 months.

He's gotten way stronger and also a little taller, while increasing his game usable athleticism. Usually guys that get a lot bigger lose some of their skill or their bounce/quickness. Freeman didn't.

Simultaneously, he got better at basketball. He went from an athlete with a little post game, and added dribble penetration and a consistent 3 point game.

If his improvement continues at the same rate over the next 6 months, he could challenge for a top5 pick in the draft.
 
Very late to the party here but enjoyed the write-up. I'll add a few thoughts for whatever they're worth (with the additional caveat that, of course, it's one exhibition and things can change dramatically in a relatively short period of time).

First a couple overall impressions:
1) Really like the new look on offense; a bit disappointed to see what appears to be largely the same defensive philosophy.
I didn't see quite as many sets as I hoped to potentially see but very, very few of our baskets were one guy driving and finishing his own play. Carlos had one and there were some others, but a ton of passing, not much holding the ball, and some solid cuts. Also saw Lampkin do his thing from the high post. The pass to Carlos was an exceptionally high-level pass.

Defensively ... just looked like last year to me and well-coached teams are going to torch that if we don't have a few wrikles or other gears. Lampkin had some ok moments here, also got torched a couple times. Donnie had some tough moments, Cuffe struggled on balance (despite the great block), etc., but generally this looks like five guys playing defense individually instead of a cohesive unit. We were OK vs. the high-ball screen (not great, but ok) but really struggled with the dribble handoffs. Communication needs to be better there.

2) Our rotation won't be 12 guys ... and it potentially may not be much more than 7 or so (but mostly for good reasons). I think all these kids can play a bit but McLeod only logging 5 mins was odd ... kind of wonder how healthy he is and how much he'll contribute. Pure speculation, rooting for the kid ... just not totally sure. I think Cuffe also could be on the outside looking in at PT. Westry, again, rooting for him, but concerned that won't be happening. Those three would take 12 down to 9.

But the other piece of this is Starling, Lampkin (particularly on offense), Bell and Carlos look like they could be tough to take off the floor. Really wouldn't be shocked if those guys are at or very close to 30 mpg. Freeman will get minutes, obviously, so figure 20 at a minimum, probably more like 25 there and that's roughly 120-125 minutes of 200 minutes (at least in games that matter). I think that may be the low side of the minutes those guys get in real games. Again, it's early, but just a guess.

3) Hope we come off Lampkin/Majstorovic screens tighter. Lampkin is a really wide body and Majstorovic sets really solid screens but at times our guards came around with too much space. Love to see them set the screen up wide, but then run right off those guys' shoulders.

Player observations -- I'll break these into groups to shorten this a bit.

The savvy vets club: Starling, Bell, Carlos, Lampkin

These guys were the four best players on the floor (maybe the lead scorer from Clarion could be in that mix too, but at least 4 of the 5 best players). Starling took great shots, no weird wind up in his release, scored 17 or whatever it was without breaking a sweat. Just looked composed and confident all game. Bell not only hit his threes but moved well and made a couple plays with his passing and putting the ball on the floor. Not sure he'll ever be super well-rounded, but he certainly outclassed his competition. Carlos -- enough has been said here, but kid looked great. Lampkin, defensive questions, IMO, but rebounded well and is tough on the offensive end.

The 'other' bigs I want to see more of: Freeman, Majstorovic, Davis, McLeod
Kind of a weird night for McLeod because he didn't play much. Probably a TBD for him at the moment. Majstorovic was great off-ball and knows the game. Wasn't blown away by his athleticism so I'm thinking his ceiling will be determined by his skill level. We know he plays well off-ball, but can he become a good shooter at this level, handle a bit, create plays with his passing? I think the answer is yet, but the role for this year feels a bit TBD (which is fine, by the way, as we're talking about one exhibition).

Davis had a weird game based on the film we saw of him and what we heard from practice. Just looked a bit out of sorts and not terribly involved. Want to see him again.

Freeman -- to my eyes -- struggled a bit. The final numbers were impressive, which tells you how much talent there is there. His pick-and-pop three was a thing of beauty and I loved the confident stroke from 15 or 16 on his first jumper early. But he missed some bunnies, seemed unsure of exactly where to be on the court quite often, and had some real difficulties defending, particularly in terms of playing as part of team on that end. I came away not feeling entirely sure how polished he is.

Outside looking in (at the moment, if I had to guess): Moore, Cuffe, Taylor
Disappointing debut for Cuffe, even though I still have hopes for him as a player. Just looked a lot like last year and if you're going to be a defensive stopper, you should be dominating a group like the kids from Clarion. Moore looked pretty good but not sure they'll take Carlos or JJ off to get him in the game. Taylor showed nice activity and athleticism ... but was all over the place and his shot was brutal. I think all three have a chance to contribute, but if I'm just looking at the roster after seeing just that 40 mins, I'd say all three are going to need to show more to get on the floor.

Overall I thought it was an OK debut, but i'm hoping tomorrow night is a little for crisper for guys outside the veteran group of Lampkin/Carlos/JJ/Bell. Fun to watch, however.
Great point on screens. Traditionally we haven't set good screens. This year we have good screen setters. It's almost like our guys aren't used to how to maximize them.
 
I didn't watch the game...but I'm gathering from everyone that our core 8 will be Carlos, JJ, Bell, Freeman, Lampkin, Petar, Davis, snd Lucas, with a sprinkle of Moore as the 9th? Sounds like McLeod will have a small role due to Davis and Petar, and sounds like Moore is better than Cuffe?
I think it is way too early to make these kinds of judgements.

It was an exhibition game against a D3 opponent. We know the starting lineup is no way reflects what will happen when the real games start.

I expect and hope that Coach Autry plays a lot more people, at least early in the season, and sees where everyone is and how people fit.
 
I didn't watch the game...but I'm gathering from everyone that our core 8 will be Carlos, JJ, Bell, Freeman, Lampkin, Petar, Davis, snd Lucas, with a sprinkle of Moore as the 9th? Sounds like McLeod will have a small role due to Davis and Petar, and sounds like Moore is better than Cuffe?

Just because Red didn't want McLeod chasing a 6'6 "center" around the 3 point line doesn't mean he won't play for us against D1 competition. We need his shot blocking.
 
I didn't watch the game...but I'm gathering from everyone that our core 8 will be Carlos, JJ, Bell, Freeman, Lampkin, Petar, Davis, snd Lucas, with a sprinkle of Moore as the 9th? Sounds like McLeod will have a small role due to Davis and Petar, and sounds like Moore is better than Cuffe?
Red said in the post game that he is easing McLeod in slowly to keep him healthy.
 
Just because Red didn't want McLeod chasing a 6'6 "center" around the 3 point line doesn't mean he won't play for us against D1 competition. We need his shot blocking.
Exactly. And for the record, it looks like Slippery Rock starts 5 guards and brings more guards off the bench.

They, like Clarion, are nothing like the teams we will play in the regular season.

They do have a couple good outside shooters and I will be interested in how we do shutting those guys down. It should be a good challenge for our guards and forwards, and something we are not very well suited to do.
 
Just because Red didn't want McLeod chasing a 6'6 "center" around the 3 point line doesn't mean he won't play for us against D1 competition. We need his shot blocking.
I think if it was a regular season game we would have seen a lot less of Lampkin out there too, but we wanted to get him some reps. Both are better suited against much larger guys at the 5. In the unlikely event we play a team with a 6'6 center during the regular season, I think we see a lot more of Petar or Davis at the 5.
 
Very late to the party here but enjoyed the write-up. I'll add a few thoughts for whatever they're worth (with the additional caveat that, of course, it's one exhibition and things can change dramatically in a relatively short period of time).

First a couple overall impressions:
1) Really like the new look on offense; a bit disappointed to see what appears to be largely the same defensive philosophy.
I didn't see quite as many sets as I hoped to potentially see but very, very few of our baskets were one guy driving and finishing his own play. Carlos had one and there were some others, but a ton of passing, not much holding the ball, and some solid cuts. Also saw Lampkin do his thing from the high post. The pass to Carlos was an exceptionally high-level pass.

Defensively ... just looked like last year to me and well-coached teams are going to torch that if we don't have a few wrikles or other gears. Lampkin had some ok moments here, also got torched a couple times. Donnie had some tough moments, Cuffe struggled on balance (despite the great block), etc., but generally this looks like five guys playing defense individually instead of a cohesive unit. We were OK vs. the high-ball screen (not great, but ok) but really struggled with the dribble handoffs. Communication needs to be better there.

2) Our rotation won't be 12 guys ... and it potentially may not be much more than 7 or so (but mostly for good reasons). I think all these kids can play a bit but McLeod only logging 5 mins was odd ... kind of wonder how healthy he is and how much he'll contribute. Pure speculation, rooting for the kid ... just not totally sure. I think Cuffe also could be on the outside looking in at PT. Westry, again, rooting for him, but concerned that won't be happening. Those three would take 12 down to 9.

But the other piece of this is Starling, Lampkin (particularly on offense), Bell and Carlos look like they could be tough to take off the floor. Really wouldn't be shocked if those guys are at or very close to 30 mpg. Freeman will get minutes, obviously, so figure 20 at a minimum, probably more like 25 there and that's roughly 120-125 minutes of 200 minutes (at least in games that matter). I think that may be the low side of the minutes those guys get in real games. Again, it's early, but just a guess.

3) Hope we come off Lampkin/Majstorovic screens tighter. Lampkin is a really wide body and Majstorovic sets really solid screens but at times our guards came around with too much space. Love to see them set the screen up wide, but then run right off those guys' shoulders.

Player observations -- I'll break these into groups to shorten this a bit.

The savvy vets club: Starling, Bell, Carlos, Lampkin

These guys were the four best players on the floor (maybe the lead scorer from Clarion could be in that mix too, but at least 4 of the 5 best players). Starling took great shots, no weird wind up in his release, scored 17 or whatever it was without breaking a sweat. Just looked composed and confident all game. Bell not only hit his threes but moved well and made a couple plays with his passing and putting the ball on the floor. Not sure he'll ever be super well-rounded, but he certainly outclassed his competition. Carlos -- enough has been said here, but kid looked great. Lampkin, defensive questions, IMO, but rebounded well and is tough on the offensive end.

The 'other' bigs I want to see more of: Freeman, Majstorovic, Davis, McLeod
Kind of a weird night for McLeod because he didn't play much. Probably a TBD for him at the moment. Majstorovic was great off-ball and knows the game. Wasn't blown away by his athleticism so I'm thinking his ceiling will be determined by his skill level. We know he plays well off-ball, but can he become a good shooter at this level, handle a bit, create plays with his passing? I think the answer is yet, but the role for this year feels a bit TBD (which is fine, by the way, as we're talking about one exhibition).

Davis had a weird game based on the film we saw of him and what we heard from practice. Just looked a bit out of sorts and not terribly involved. Want to see him again.

Freeman -- to my eyes -- struggled a bit. The final numbers were impressive, which tells you how much talent there is there. His pick-and-pop three was a thing of beauty and I loved the confident stroke from 15 or 16 on his first jumper early. But he missed some bunnies, seemed unsure of exactly where to be on the court quite often, and had some real difficulties defending, particularly in terms of playing as part of team on that end. I came away not feeling entirely sure how polished he is.

Outside looking in (at the moment, if I had to guess): Moore, Cuffe, Taylor
Disappointing debut for Cuffe, even though I still have hopes for him as a player. Just looked a lot like last year and if you're going to be a defensive stopper, you should be dominating a group like the kids from Clarion. Moore looked pretty good but not sure they'll take Carlos or JJ off to get him in the game. Taylor showed nice activity and athleticism ... but was all over the place and his shot was brutal. I think all three have a chance to contribute, but if I'm just looking at the roster after seeing just that 40 mins, I'd say all three are going to need to show more to get on the floor.

Overall I thought it was an OK debut, but i'm hoping tomorrow night is a little for crisper for guys outside the veteran group of Lampkin/Carlos/JJ/Bell. Fun to watch, however.

"generally this looks like five guys playing defense individually instead of a cohesive unit.'

I think they call it a man-for-man.
 
"generally this looks like five guys playing defense individually instead of a cohesive unit.'

I think they call it a man-for-man.
Indeed, just needs to have an underlying team concept. If it's five guys all just playing straight-up pressure man, you better have five elite defenders. Even then you're going to run into teams that can hurt that defense with efficient sets. What we've run thus far seems very rudimentary to me. Like red and I'm rooting for him -- just not excited by the defensive philosophy thus far. Perhaps someone with more of a grasp on analytics can point out something I'm missing -- like trading twos for threes or something like that.
 
I think it is way too early to make these kinds of judgements.

It was an exhibition game against a D3 opponent. We know the starting lineup is no way reflects what will happen when the real games start.

I expect and hope that Coach Autry plays a lot more people, at least early in the season, and sees where everyone is and how people fit.
My only thing with this is that typically a team that goes 9-deep every game with a 10th or 11th guy working in somewhat regularly, is doing so because it’s just really tough to keep those guys off the floor.

It’s only one exhibition so I’m not saying it won’t happen for this group. Tough game for Taylor, for example, but perhaps he knocks down some shots next time out and we feel completely differently.

But what that looked like as a one-game snapshot, at least to me, is you’ve got really experienced players with solid talent (Lampkin, JJ, Carlos and Bell) who will be tough to take off the floor. Freeman will clearly get run as a guy with good talent and an elite pedigree. Majstorovic is a more polished player than the average freshman and Davis has good experience and I think we’ll see a more diverse skill set emerge in the next few outings.

I just think that makes it tough for guys like Moore or Cuffe or Taylor unless they really produce when they get opportunities.

It’s early to really know and I could be way off. Just felt a bit more like 7-8 than 9-10 guys from one viewing. Might feel completely different after tomorrow or LeMoyne, etc.
 
Just because Red didn't want McLeod chasing a 6'6 "center" around the 3 point line doesn't mean he won't play for us against D1 competition. We need his shot blocking.
My counter to this is that anyone who runs a high ball screen potentially gets McLeod matched up with quicker, smaller player.

Love the shot-blocking but hopefully a healthier McLeod (if he is in fact healthier, which I’m rooting for) moves his feet fairly well and can hang in these scenarios or we use him in a matchup where we can get away with some drop coverage.

Otherwise maybe we run a few stretches each half of some sort of zone — doesn’t have to be a basic 2-3, but something where we are covering shooters and funneling penetration to McLeod.

He might well play a decent amount but my guess would be that we’d need to get a little bit creative in order to run him out there for prolonged stretches with our current base defense.
 
My counter to this is that anyone who runs a high ball screen potentially gets McLeod matched up with quicker, smaller player.

Love the shot-blocking but hopefully a healthier McLeod (if he is in fact healthier, which I’m rooting for) moves his feet fairly well and can hang in these scenarios or we use him in a matchup where we can get away with some drop coverage.

Otherwise maybe we run a few stretches each half of some sort of zone — doesn’t have to be a basic 2-3, but something where we are covering shooters and funneling penetration to McLeod.

He might well play a decent amount but my guess would be that we’d need to get a little bit creative in order to run him out there for prolonged stretches with our current base defense.

Ill trade a center struggling to guard one player on a switch sometimes with the other team not being able to score in the paint. I'd make that trade every time. It's way different than this game where they were never going to score in the paint and it's only chasing small guys around the perimeter.

I do think Red will pick and choose his spots with McLeod as you would with any back up center. But he has a skill set this team needs. We will be worse if he can't play.
 
I think if it was a regular season game we would have seen a lot less of Lampkin out there too, but we wanted to get him some reps. Both are better suited against much larger guys at the 5. In the unlikely event we play a team with a 6'6 center during the regular season, I think we see a lot more of Petar or Davis at the 5.
I hope not... If we play against a team whose biggest player is 6'6", I want to see Lampkin and Freeman both going for 25 and 15 while everybody on the other team is fouled out.
 
My counter to this is that anyone who runs a high ball screen potentially gets McLeod matched up with quicker, smaller player.

Love the shot-blocking but hopefully a healthier McLeod (if he is in fact healthier, which I’m rooting for) moves his feet fairly well and can hang in these scenarios or we use him in a matchup where we can get away with some drop coverage.

Otherwise maybe we run a few stretches each half of some sort of zone — doesn’t have to be a basic 2-3, but something where we are covering shooters and funneling penetration to McLeod.

He might well play a decent amount but my guess would be that we’d need to get a little bit creative in order to run him out there for prolonged stretches with our current base defense.
A recent NFL scouting catch phrase I'm seeing lately is "catching radius" referring to guys able to make catches that aren't right to their hands or body. It's a combination of length of arms and ability to adjust to the ball.

One thing I saw with McLeod is that, while he's admittedly slow of foot, he has an enormous "block radius." Players would beat him off the dribble, seemingly with a clear line to the basket, and McLeod was able to get back into position to either challenge or even block the shot. He isn't the defensive liability everybody seems to think he is.

McLeod had a very solid DBPM of 3.4 and a terrific block percentage of 13.8%. McLeod's injury didn't give him enough possessions to qualify, but his block percentage would have been a top 25 season in the last 20 years since the advanced metric started being tracked.

McLeod is an elite shotblocking player.

And he played in a ton of really tough games before going down, it wasn't like he feasted on cupcakes. He got 4 blocks against Tennessee, Gonzaga and Pitt, and 3 against LSU, even though he was playing less than half the game. Plus, McLeod doesn't foul, getting only 11 in his 14 games played.

The last thing I'll point out is that the drastic difference in the way that McLeod and Lampkin play will probably make McLeod that much more effective when he's in. Shots that guys are able to take right over Lampkin will be rejected for fast breaks the other way when the Highlander is in the pivot.

I'm excited to see him this season.

EDIT: looking at the advanced stats, McLeod was our second best player last season, second only to Maliq Brown.

 
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"generally this looks like five guys playing defense individually instead of a cohesive unit.'

I think they call it a man-for-man.
Sorry…. But I disagree with this statement. A good m2m D require as much orchestration as a zone D. Are you going through screens or switching? Are you going under a screen or over? Where is the double team coming from. When you do double who is rotating over to cover the guy open? Where is the help coming from if the guy gets past his guy. And so on and so forth.

Love Red but his defensive strategy is paper thin… I started a thread about this, but the only D strategy is pick up your man and stay in front of him. If he gets by you there is no help. This is playground stuff… my bigger concern is that we saw the same thing last year but when we switched to zone the sophistication of the D improved. Now we have a new set of players and are seeing that same issue.

Not sure who the d coordinator is but I hope he starts implementing more of a plan than I am seeing now. Otherwise billsin01 is absolutely right… good teams will eat us up.

If Autry doesn’t want to install a half court D that’s his prerogative… but if you are gonna go that route pressure full court and turn it into a track meet. For the first time in forever it seems like we have the horses.
 
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Yolu were expecting them to run the whole playbook in the forst exibition game. By all means, lets have Tenessee, etc. have the full slate for video review.
The offensive sets, etc., will be rolled out over the season.
I hear you but I think for a team that would be doing something new, you want as much game experience as you can with that new thing. If Red has some wrinkles he’s keeping under wraps, it’s great.

But my thought on that is I want live reps executing. If we see a major difference against a Tennessee or someone, I’ll be thrilled. I just don’t know that I’m as concerned with the element of surprise vs. practicing the new looks and working out the kinks.
 
Sorry…. But I disagree with this statement. A good m2m D require as much orchestration as a zone D. Are you going through screens or switching? Are you going under a screen or over? Where is the double team coming from. When you do double who is rotating over to cover the guy open? Where is the help coming from if the guy gets past his guy. And so on and so forth.

Love Red but his defensive strategy is paper thin… I started a thread about this, but the only D strategy is pick up your man and stay in front of him. If he gets by you there is no help. This is playground stuff… my bigger concern is that we saw the same thing last year but when we switched to zone the sophistication of the D improved. Now we have a new set of players and are seeing that same issue.

Not sure who the d coordinator is but I hope he starts implementing more of a plan than I am seeing now. Otherwise billsin01 is absolutely right… good teams will eat us up.

If Autry doesn’t want to install a half court D that’s his prerogative… but if you are gonna go that route pressure full court and turn it into a track meet. For the first time in forever it seems like we have the horses.
Almost an entirely new team, the defense will be a work in progress for the first part of the year.
 
Ill trade a center struggling to guard one player on a switch sometimes with the other team not being able to score in the paint. I'd make that trade every time. It's way different than this game where they were never going to score in the paint and it's only chasing small guys around the perimeter.

I do think Red will pick and choose his spots with McLeod as you would with any back up center. But he has a skill set this team needs. We will be worse if he can't play.
Agree. Unfortunately with big centers like McLeod who block shots, there are no statistics on the shots that opponents didn’t take. I was a little disappointed how often our perimeter players were beat off the dribble and Clarion getting inside to the basket. A few times they stopped, passing the ball when McLeod challenged them instead of taking it themselves to the basket. It’s there that help defense needs work, saw JJ help out a few times but was called for the foul. Good to see him read it but just needs quicker recognition and close out. Too often there was little rotation to attempt to stop those drives. No way we should have tied the small Clarion team with both teams getting 46 points in the paint. We need to work harder on keeping the opponent in front of us.
 
Almost an entirely new team, the defense will be a work in progress for the first part of the year.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... because let's be honest even if I don't who really cares?

But this is the same script as last year. And the D only got fixed by going to zone. I honestly don't care what D we play, but I don't want to see lanes to the hoops that a 747 could use.
 
Turnovers and shot clock violations?
yep and general shooting percentage.

If opponents have to take harder shots, they will shoot a lower percentage.

I actually am less worried about Naheem on PnR than I am Lampkin.
 
Agree. Unfortunately with big centers like McLeod who block shots, there are no statistics on the shots that opponents didn’t take. I was a little disappointed how often our perimeter players were beat off the dribble and Clarion getting inside to the basket. A few times they stopped, passing the ball when McLeod challenged them instead of taking it themselves to the basket. It’s there that help defense needs work, saw JJ help out a few times but was called for the foul. Good to see him read it but just needs quicker recognition and close out. Too often there was little rotation to attempt to stop those drives. No way we should have tied the small Clarion team with both teams getting 46 points in the paint. We need to work harder on keeping the opponent in front of us.
I get what you are saying, but I'm not sure an exhibition game is the best place to judge these things. It wasn't under Boeheim for sure. Red could be different I suppose, we don't have much of a sample size to go by. I mayelf won't judge them by regular season standards probably until they play Texas.
 
A recent NFL scouting catch phrase I'm seeing lately is "catching radius" referring to guys able to make catches that aren't right to their hands or body. It's a combination of length of arms and ability to adjust to the ball.

One thing I saw with McLeod is that, while he's admittedly slow of foot, he has an enormous "block radius." Players would beat him off the dribble, seemingly with a clear line to the basket, and McLeod was able to get back into position to either challenge or even block the shot. He isn't the defensive liability everybody seems to think he is.

McLeod had a very solid DBPM of 3.4 and a terrific block percentage of 13.8%. McLeod's injury didn't give him enough possessions to qualify, but his block percentage would have been a top 25 season in the last 20 years since the advanced metric started being tracked.

McLeod is an elite shotblocking player.

And he played in a ton of really tough games before going down, it wasn't like he feasted on cupcakes. He got 4 blocks against Tennessee, Gonzaga and Pitt, and 3 against LSU, even though he was playing less than half the game. Plus, McLeod doesn't foul, getting only 11 in his 14 games played.

The last thing I'll point out is that the drastic difference in the way that McLeod and Lampkin play will probably make McLeod that much more effective when he's in. Shots that guys are able to take right over Lampkin will be rejected for fast breaks the other way when the Highlander is in the pivot.

I'm excited to see him this season.

EDIT: looking at the advanced stats, McLeod was our second best player last season, second only to Maliq Brown.

To me the issues with McLeod were pretty clearly offensive last year in his limited time.
 
I get what you are saying, but I'm not sure an exhibition game is the best place to judge these things. It wasn't under Boeheim for sure. Red could be different I suppose, we don't have much of a sample size to go by. I mayelf won't judge them by regular season standards probably until they play Texas.
I was commenting on your post and about the Clarion game, the only game we’ve played so far that you also commented on. I didn’t say anything about the rest of the season. I do hope and actually expect their defense to improve since exhibitions are being played to work on improving, starting a positive process. I certainly wasn’t trying to be negative and judging the team’s season on this one game. Far from it. Apologize if I confused you with my post.
 
To me the issues with McLeod were pretty clearly offensive last year in his limited time.
Last year my main issue was his positioning on rebounds. He should be dominating the boards. But it seemed like he was always out of position, often not even attempting for a rebound.
 

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