my weekly hunt stat post

[Millhouse]

So last week, after the same type post - did you foresee improvement and a win vs WF, Firefighter Bill?

There were a lot of naysayers on this board - many of whom were calling for Allen. Hunt's numbers were not fantastic - but the kid plays with heart and is a fighter. His personal story is a testament to that.

I'll take his numbers and a win any day.

I did. You can't get worse than the previous three games and wake stinks. There was nowhere to go but up.

80 percent hit a 100 rating.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Ratings are going up in general. There are a remarkable number of guys with 170 and higher now.



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Like I said, last week there is a whole different world of college football the past 10 years that Syracuse has missed out on, it's like they missed the boat to the era of modern college football. Hell most of the teams if not all in the Northeast missed it. We were at the forefront of it for 7-8 years but missed the next train leaving for Eugene or Lubbock..

I like Shafer but anyone who coaches a college football team without true elite talent and thinks that we are going to win consistently with a lockdown defense is truly insane. White knuckling wins only gets you so far. If we had an offense versus GT, that game is a shoot out. If our defense plays average we lose 31-0 not 56-0, BFD

Put your best athletes on OFFENSE, sure you need good scheme but you need FAST GUYS on offense and receivers who can get open and catch the ball, both would be great but you need one or the other

 

[Millhouse]

Like I said, last week there is a whole different world of college football the past 10 , especially the past 8-10 years that Syracuse has missed out on, it's like they missed the boat to the era of modern college football. Hell most of the teams if not all in the Northeast missed it. We were at the forefront of it for 7-8 years but missed the next train leaving for Eugene or Lubbock..

I like Shafer but anyone who coaches a college football team without true elite talent and thinks that we are going to win consistently with a lockdown defense is truly insane. White knuckling wins only gets you so far. If we had an offense versus GT, that game is a shoot out. If our defense plays average we lose 31-0 not 56-0, BFD

Put your best athletes on OFFENSE, sure you need good scheme but you need FAST GUYS on offense and receivers who can get open and catch the ball, both would be great but you need one or the other

people like to look at who plays in the national championship and say "AHA they're good at both offense and defense" as a justification for us going defense first. No sht, that's why they're in the national championship. It's putting the cart before the horse in the biggest way possible. If the stars align with both great offense and defense, great.

With all the money/fanbase/blah blah problems out of anyone's control, the easier path to being competitive is to pluck the low hanging fruit on offense. there are meatheads all over the northeast, we're not going to outhardnose bc, pitt, penn state. We have the dome, they don't. The whole point of having climate control is so that we can play like the teams that have good climate.

There are lots of non-factory schools that are good on offense almost all the time. Where are these non-factory schools that are good on defense almost all the time? The meathead crowd will cling to whatever piddly school happens to have a good defense for a couple years.

Hopefully Shafer's background as a QB can save him from going too far down a BCesque path. I don't blame them for anything they're doing on offense this year, can't air it out with Hunt. I'm more taking issue with dinosaurs in the fan base

 

[Millhouse]

I like Tanner Price.

But it's hard to be effective when you're running for your life.

And on Saturday he was running for his life - without his go-to receiver.

the game he had against syracuse in 2011 was the third best of his career. the only two better games he had were duke 2010 and maryland 2011 (I'm looking that up, not pretending to watch any wake games or remember them)

i wonder what our opinion would be if we watched more of his games because like you, i think he's alright from what i've seen. but i don't think i've seen enough

their offense is so bad. 108th in 2010, 78th in 2011, 120th in 2012, 116th in 2011. That's grobian. how good can price really be? honest question, i don't know

 

[TheCusian]

people like to look at who plays in the national championship and say "AHA they're good at both offense and defense" as a justification for us going defense first. No sht, that's why they're in the national championship. It's putting the cart before the horse in the biggest way possible. If the stars align with both great offense and defense, great.

With all the money/fanbase/blah blah problems out of anyone's control, the easier path to being competitive is to pluck the low hanging fruit on offense. there are meatheads all over the northeast, we're not going to outhardnose bc, pitt, penn state. We have the dome, they don't. The whole point of having climate control is so that we can play like the teams that have climate control.

There are lots of non-factory schools that are good on offense almost all the time. Where are these non-factory schools that are good on defense almost all the time? The meathead crowd will cling to whatever piddly school happens to have a good defense for a couple years.

Hopefully Shafer's background as a QB can save him from going too far down a BCesque path. I don't blame them for anything they're doing on offense this year, can't air it out with Hunt. I'm more taking issue with dinosaurs in the fan base

I don't think that your describing Shafers offense at all - GM clearly wants a team built on spreading out and using speed in the dome.

As far as fans go - seems like there is the hand it to Jerome every play crowd and the spread crowd. Problem is that these two concepts can be mixed (see Stanford) - but our QB to receiver connection this year is lacking.

I honestly think we are in a transition year - O is behind due to lack of speed from skill players. D is good but the tinkering by Bullough has been rough.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't think that your describing Shafers offense at all - GM clearly wants a team built on spreading out and using speed in the dome.

As far as fans go - seems like there is the hand it to Jerome every play crowd and the spread crowd. Problem is that these two concepts can be mixed (see Stanford) - but our QB to receiver connection this year is lacking.

I honestly think we are in a transition year - O is behind due to lack of speed from skill players. D is good but the tinkering by Bullough has been rough.

can i be in both crowds? spread and hand to jerome every play

if they ever have to throw, i want them to go 7 wide, tackle every defensive back, hope they don't call it, hope hunt can throw it near broyld and hope broyld doesn't flo hyman the ball into the ground

 

[OttoinGrotto]

people like to look at who plays in the national championship and say "AHA they're good at both offense and defense" as a justification for us going defense first. No sht, that's why they're in the national championship. It's putting the cart before the horse in the biggest way possible. If the stars align with both great offense and defense, great.

With all the money/fanbase/blah blah problems out of anyone's control, the easier path to being competitive is to pluck the low hanging fruit on offense. there are meatheads all over the northeast, we're not going to outhardnose bc, pitt, penn state. We have the dome, they don't. The whole point of having climate control is so that we can play like the teams that have climate control.

There are lots of non-factory schools that are good on offense almost all the time. Where are these non-factory schools that are good on defense almost all the time? The meathead crowd will cling to whatever piddly school happens to have a good defense for a couple years.

Hopefully Shafer's background as a QB can save him from going too far down a BCesque path. I don't blame them for anything they're doing on offense this year, can't air it out with Hunt. I'm more taking issue with dinosaurs in the fan base

Well stated.

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[IthacaBarrel]

can i be in both crowds? spread and hand to jerome every play

if they ever have to throw, i want them to go 7 wide, tackle every defensive back, hope they don't call it, hope hunt can throw it near broyld and hope broyld doesn't flo hyman the ball into the ground

Big plays are big plays, runs, bubble screens, etc. Only way to get big plays is to have athletes and keep D guessing, force their hand, get the offense going downhill. We don't have guys that can turn 5 yard gains into 60 yard TD's. Smith is solid, Broyld is OK as well but please. Estime is going to be good, but you need 2-3 Estime's on the field at the same time. We need 4-5 athletes on offense, not 1-2.

The Houston offense case in point. I agree nobody in the Northeast apparently will run this type of O. I think GMC at least wants to, his play calling is crazy enough to keep people guessing if we ever have enough talent out there. He's never going to be a ground and pound guy and I think Shafer is crazy enough as well to turn him loose!

 

[OrangePA]

the game he had against syracuse in 2011 was the third best of his career. the only two better games he had were duke 2010 and maryland 2011 (I'm looking that up, not pretending to watch any wake games or remember them)

i wonder what our opinion would be if we watched more of his games because like you, i think he's alright from what i've seen. but i don't think i've seen enough

their offense is so bad. 108th in 2010, 78th in 2011, 120th in 2012, 116th in 2011. That's grobian. how good can price really be? honest question, i don't know

I've watched him three times.

At the Dome in 2011 - I thought he was terrific.

Last week against Miami - I thought he was pretty good.

And this past week in the Dome.

 

[phil77]

I just hope that one of these kids we are bringing in is ready to start...Wilson, Kimble, Long or Edouard. I think if Hunt is a three year starter then HCSS will be looking for a new job.

 

[Millhouse]

Big plays are big plays, runs, bubble screens, etc. Only way to get big plays is to have athletes and keep D guessing, force their hand, get the offense going downhill. We don't have guys that can turn 5 yard gains into 60 yard TD's. Smith is solid, Broyld is OK as well but please. Estime is going to be good, but you need 2-3 Estime's on the field at the same time. We need 4-5 athletes on offense, not 1-2.

The Houston offense case in point. I agree nobody in the Northeast apparently will run this type of O. I think GMC at least wants to, his play calling is crazy enough to keep people guessing if we ever have enough talent out there. He's never going to be a ground and pound guy and I think Shafer is crazy enough as well to turn him loose!

where is the speed in the northeast? i get that texas qbs and WR are probably going to be better because they throw and catch a thousand times a day every day. i don't get why there aren't faster guys in the north east

we have a bunch of little guys that kinda look like tavon austin but they just don't seem that fast. i don't get it. are they all playing point guard?

run picks, cheat like hell holding DBs and toss it to a little fast guy.

 

[upperdeck]

Play calling is so much easier when you have multiple guys the D has issues defending.. I think every rcvr Clemson put on the field was faster than our DB's , when you blow coverage on top of being out athletic'd you are going to struggle.. Same for NW.. You cant make mistakes and have lesser athletes. We have gone years without a dominant guy on either side of the ball. AB is starting to show he is tough to handle 1-on-1. Hopefully Estime can be as well, but you still need that guy who can make the play when you need it. he doesnt need to be Watkins good. Look at West, he is 1 step away from making a ton of plays in the long game. You add that dimension and the game is a whole bunch easier.

Baylor gets 70 and then when the dont get 4-5 easy scores a game like vs KSU they drop to 35. They had 10 guys get 20-yd pass/run plays against WV, against KSU they had 3 guys.. do we have 8-10 guys in the roster who can make 20 yd plays? we need 1-2 of the kids next year to be like Estime and hopefully one of them is doing it down the field and not just on stretch plays.

 

[Millhouse]

Play calling is so much easier when you have multiple guys the D has issues defending.. I think every rcvr Clemson put on the field was faster than our DB's , when you blow coverage on top of being out athletic'd you are going to struggle.. Same for NW.. You cant make mistakes and have lesser athletes. We have gone years without a dominant guy on either side of the ball. AB is starting to show he is tough to handle 1-on-1. Hopefully Estime can be as well, but you still need that guy who can make the play when you need it. he doesnt need to be Watkins good. Look at West, he is 1 step away from making a ton of plays in the long game. You add that dimension and the game is a whole bunch easier.

Baylor gets 70 and then when the dont get 4-5 easy scores a game like vs KSU they drop to 35. They had 10 guys get 20-yd pass/run plays against WV, against KSU they had 3 guys.. do we have 8-10 guys in the roster who can make 20 yd plays? we need 1-2 of the kids next year to be like Estime and hopefully one of them is doing it down the field and not just on stretch plays.

you are still hanging your hat on baylor only scoring 35 and getting 7.69 yards per play

you know who doesn't have a 7.69 yards per play average for this season?

texas a&m, alabama, ohio state, missouri

7.69 yards per play for the season would drop them all the way down to 4th in the country. and that's their big outlier

it ain't just big plays, you're just wrong about this

 

[upperdeck]

How can you tell unless you review all the drives.. The games i watched they either went 3-5 play drives and punted or had huge chunk plays and scored.. they seldom went 30-40 yds and punted. That what we do. Shoot we have huge plays and dont score cause we cant turn 65yd runs into 75..

The last 2 games they had one 30-50 yd non scoring drive , we are terrible moving the ball and had 3 and a non scoring 90 yd drive.

we had 5 drives that were 20-30 that turned into punts in 2 games. Baylor had ZERO..

Baylor had 13 drives under 20 yds, we had 20.

we both had tons of bad drives. they get way more big plays that lead to scores. they had 2 drives over 6 plays against Kansas and scored 60. we had 6 against Wake and scored 13..

 

[dasher]

Does anyone think that we aren't trying to build up a great offense? Of course we are. It isn't about what plays you try to run. It's about what plays you can run and succeed with. We don't have the skill players to pass the ball up and down the field.

 

[Millhouse]

Does anyone think that we aren't trying to build up a great offense? Of course we are. It isn't about what plays you try to run. It's about what plays you can run and succeed with. We don't have the skill players to pass the ball up and down the field.

no shirt they're trying. everyone tries. the point is where we spend our limited money

 

[rrlbees]

Does anyone think that we aren't trying to build up a great offense? Of course we are. It isn't about what plays you try to run. It's about what plays you can run and succeed with. We don't have the skill players to pass the ball up and down the field.

I could have sworn people were gaga the last few years over many of our recruits and how much faster they were than previously and how big and strong they got after a couple years in the program. None of that was true?


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[Finwad32]

I could have sworn people were gaga the last few years over many of our recruits and how much faster they were than previously and how big and strong they got after a couple years in the program. None of that was true?

Bees, this isnt directly pointed at your quote but to a handful.

I spoke of speed and size more than once. We have the size. Speed? Who knows if what's reported is true as a recruit or an SU player. But, even if you do have great speed and size though, I don't know if that necessarily relates to production.

Less a superior talent there is no end all be all IMO. It comes from gameplan, play calls, match ups, speed, route running, QB recognition, on and on and on.

I don't know if our skill players are up to snuff. What I do know is that we can't create separation in man up situations consistently. This does not help a young dual threat QB whose trying to find his way on the field.

As an OC, GM could call a better game but that's an opinion. I'm sure there's rhyme and reason to his gameplan, you don't rise to those ranks if there's not. Great recruiter or not.

At the end of the day, our passing numbers are woeful. This has negatively impacted the run game as well. But, I'm not going to point the finger at GM, TH or the WR's definitively,they all have a hand in the equation.

With a So. QB and a Fr. HC we are 4-4 and 2-2 in the ACC with 4 to play. I'll take it. For now.

 

[Millhouse]

How can you tell

this is evasive

You said their offense is great because of big plays and when they play teams like K State, which you watched, they come back to earth.

i point out that their output in their worst game against K State per play would be 4th best in the country for a season.

you say how can you tell unless you review the drives.

How can you tell unless you review all the drives.. The games i watched they either went 3-5 play drives and punted or had huge chunk plays and scored.. they seldom went 30-40 yds and punted. That what we do. Shoot we have huge plays and dont score cause we cant turn 65yd runs into 75..

The last 2 games they had one 30-50 yd non scoring drive , we are terrible moving the ball and had 3 and a non scoring 90 yd drive.

we had 5 drives that were 20-30 that turned into punts in 2 games. Baylor had ZERO..

Baylor had 13 drives under 20 yds, we had 20.

we both had tons of bad drives. they get way more big plays that lead to scores. they had 2 drives over 6 plays against Kansas and scored 60. we had 6 against Wake and scored 13..

baylor has passing 36 plays of over 25 yards.

Let's assume that each of those plays over 25 yards went for 50 yards.

(That's very generous, it's very unlikely that the average of their plays over 25 yards is less than 50)

Their remaining plays, they're completing 61% and averaging 6.1 yards a pass attempt

If you take away every single one of their big passes (which are probably don't average 50 yards per but we'll pretend they do) and let SU keep their 12 25 yard + passes, Baylor still has a higher yards per attempt than us at 5.9

 

[GoSU96]

I could have sworn people were gaga the last few years over many of our recruits and how much faster they were than previously and how big and strong they got after a couple years in the program. None of that was true?

Alec was an excellent WR. There's a reason why he was the #2 receiver as a true freshmen and was the featured receiver the remaining three years, when he was healthy.

That being said my guess is that at least Broyld and Funderburk would be considered better pure athletes than Alec. Doesn't mean they are better WR's. Still don't know what the issue with Funderburk is and why he can't get on the field. Much of people going "gaga" was based on him getting on the field. We have no idea how Flemming would have done other than he had won a starting job coming out of camp.

 

[upperdeck]

this is evasive

You said their offense is great because of big plays and when they play teams like K State, which you watched, they come back to earth.

i point out that their output in their worst game against K State per play would be 4th best in the country for a season.

you say how can you tell unless you review the drives.

baylor has passing 36 plays of over 25 yards.

Let's assume that each of those plays over 25 yards went for 50 yards.

(That's very generous, it's very unlikely that the average of their plays over 25 yards is less than 50)

Their remaining plays, they're completing 61% and averaging 6.1 yards a pass attempt

If you take away every single one of their big passes (which are probably don't average 50 yards per but we'll pretend they do) and let SU keep their 12 25 yard + passes, Baylor still has a higher yards per attempt than us at 5.9

so you are saying that when baylor does not make a big play passing the rest of the time their offense looks like ours?

 

[Millhouse]

so you are saying that when baylor does not make a big play passing the rest of the time their offense looks like ours?

i'm saying even if you take away every big passing play (which is crazy)and even if you assume that every play over 25 yards goes for 50 (which is also crazy), they're still better than us

 

[Scooch]

I could have sworn people were gaga the last few years over many of our recruits and how much faster they were than previously and how big and strong they got after a couple years in the program. None of that was true?

Yeah, people here overrate our talent.

A lot.

Always.

 

[upperdeck]

That doesn't mean its not true.. we were starting off pretty far down the talent tree.

 

[tep624]

I just hope that one of these kids we are bringing in is ready to start...Wilson, Kimble, Long or Edouard. I think if Hunt is a three year starter then HCSS will be looking for a new job.

Because of course it's completely beyond the realm of possibility that he'll improve.

Hunt throwing long balls right now looks a lot like Nassib throwing long balls his 1st and 2nd years.