Nassib: "Elements within the team that had to be fixed."

[GoCuse44]

This does not sound good and confirms other posts on this site. Maybe the bye week can bring the boys back together.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2011/11/syracuse_football_vs_south_flo.html

 

[MikeSU02]

This does not sound good and confirms other posts on this site. Maybe the bye week can bring the boys back together.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2011/11/syracuse_football_vs_south_flo.html

There are a lot of concerning quotes in that article (including what you mentioned):

When asked the question he paused, took a breath, acknowledged that there have been "flashes of immaturity". He called it "hard to explain" and that there were "elements within the team that had to be fixed."

He was very guarded and very careful with his answer. It was almost as if he wanted to say more, but felt it more important not to as to not air some of the team's dirty laundry.

And...

“I think a lot of it has to do with leadership on this team. We really have to have some guys step up. Not accepting any little failure. Not waiting on a route in practice, dropping a pass in practice or missing a tackle in practice. All those little things we can’t have anymore. It has to be unacceptable.
Our regular leaders like Antwon (Bailey) and Mike Hay are still doing a great job, but this is a big team. We have a lot of people playing. You can’t just have a couple leaders on one side of the ball. A lot of us are going to have to step up. It doesn’t matter what the age is. It doesn’t matter what position you are or what your ranking on the depth chart. Something has got to change.”

 

[JJReddawg]

Not good.

 

[orangenauburn]

Once season ends might hear more

 

[wfschrec]

On the Orange All Access free video segment of player interviews Dorian Graham intimated a few of the same things ...

 

[Fjoinkay]

At this particular moment this is the most encouraging quote I could have read from Nassib. Right now it's about taking inventory and seeing who steps up to lead because leadership is obviously absent.

 

[cmr27]

Wow, sounds like the hoops team in a down year.

 

[SoBristol]

Difficult to parse what this means, but when you get up (West Virginia) and then crap out 3 times, you start getting stupid quotes from the coach (it is all my fault as if he was the one who shanked a punt, dropped the passes, got pushed around at the line). We lost because we couldn't stop USF's basic plays, we couldn't get much push from the OL, and the receivers proved very ordinary. The offense was relatively mistake-free (no interceptions or fumbles); it just wasn't very good.

 

[orangenauburn]

Nothing will be fixed until offseason

 

[Boston Tiger]

Difficult to parse what this means, but when you get up (West Virginia) and then crap out 3 times, you start getting stupid quotes from the coach (it is all my fault as if he was the one who shanked a punt, dropped the passes, got pushed around at the line). We lost because we couldn't stop USF's basic plays, we couldn't get much push from the OL, and the receivers proved very ordinary. The offense was relatively mistake-free (no interceptions or fumbles); it just wasn't very good.

It is much better to have a coach who will take the blame for the team's poor play than one who will throw his players under the bus and pretend that his coaching played no role in the loss. There were enough mistakes in last night's game for both the coaches and the players can stake their claim to.

 

[tep624]

It is much better to have a coach who will take the blame for the team's poor play than one who will throw his players under the bus and pretend that his coaching played no role in the loss. There were enough mistakes in last night's game for both the coaches and the players can stake their claim to.

Agree. I'll take the Marrone approach of shouldering all the blame a 1000 times over the Brian Kelly finger pointing approach. I don't even care if that's accurate, but in public the Coach should shoulder the blame and then deal wth the issues behind closed doors.

 

[tep624]

Wow, sounds like the hoops team in a down year.

First thing I thought when I read this too. I hope it's not Deshaun Williams/Preston Shumpert bad, but whenever you have a lot of new faces and a lot of immature faces there's potential for people to lose their way.

 

[wfschrec]

It is much better to have a coach who will take the blame for the team's poor play than one who will throw his players under the bus and pretend that his coaching played no role in the loss. There were enough mistakes in last night's game for both the coaches and the players can stake their claim to.

I agree ... issues that are internal need to stay internal and Marrone is doing the right thing keeping it that way. We tend to forget there are a lot of teenagers on that roster.

 

[chakka3421]

It is much better to have a coach who will take the blame for the team's poor play than one who will throw his players under the bus and pretend that his coaching played no role in the loss. There were enough mistakes in last night's game for both the coaches and the players can stake their claim to.

+ 1 (yep Brian Kelly i would give up season tickets if DM was like him)

 

[SoBristol]

It is much better to have a coach who will take the blame for the team's poor play than one who will throw his players under the bus and pretend that his coaching played no role in the loss. There were enough mistakes in last night's game for both the coaches and the players can stake their claim to.

Not disputing this. The point is that "coach speak" in the midst of a losing streak, and Nassib's comments for that matter, often don't get to the real reasons the team is losing. The coach is going to deflect the issue to himself. Nassib might talk about bringing the team together. But usually the problem comes down to winning the battles in the trenches, WRs beating their defenders and making catches, RBs getting the extra yards, LBs coming off blocks. Not what the coach tells the team in pre-game talks; not whatever Nassib was alluding to.

 

[rrlbees]

I think it is a good thing Ryan said something. But one thing we all have to keep in mind is that any internal problems get magnified when you are losing. Without naming names, which someone else did in a post (which I see has been deleted by someone), of course there is finger pointing going on. We are losing so it's easy to point fingers. The O and D are happy with each other. But also there is the party players vs. the non party players and there are players that think others don't work hard enough. It's also a mix of young and old in each group. How bad those things really are is hard to say because we are losing. I bet if we were 7-3 though, Ryan isn't saying anything and there isn't as much internal angst. It would be "party on".

 

[OttoMets]

Our regular leaders like Antwon (Bailey) and Mike Hay are still doing a great job, but this is a big team.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think any talk of problems on the team stops here. The starting quarterback refers to the player who has averaged almost a personal foul per game and may or may not have been spied dancing with the cheerleaders outside of a huddle during last night's game as a leader? The same guy who respected posters on this forum can't find positive things to say about?

That strikes me as a problem.

 

[rrlbees]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think any talk of problems on the team stops here. The starting quarterback refers to the player who has averaged almost a personal foul per game and may or may not have been spied dancing with the cheerleaders outside of a huddle during last night's game as a leader? The same guy who respected posters on this forum can't find positive things to say about?

That strikes me as a problem.

If Hay was a leader he'd be a captain. He's not a leader so I don't know why Ryan mentioned him unless it is based on being a senior. Does anyone remember how Marrone does captains? Does the team select them or Marrone? Does the team get a couple picks and Marrone 1? I don't know who should be captain but I think we have the wrong ones. Bailey and Scott are great kids but IMO, they aren't in your face kick ass and take names later guys. They might even be hard workers but do they have full command of the team? Harris is a workout warrior and he is to be commended for what he has accomplished after being at Cornell. But, since he spent 2 years at Cornell and didn't begin his career here, does he have enough "cache" to command respect? All 3 are very very good students. I think that is a great great thing for a student athlete to take school so seriously. But is being a captain limited to also being some of the best students on the team? Not saying it is good or bad but I wonder if it necessarily makes them the best captain material? Are they too "nice"? I don't know the answers to any of my questions, but I do know we have had captains in the past when there was a problem, whether it was an internal problem, losing, or an off field problem, they would take things into their own hands and didn't take any guff about it.

 

[orangenauburn]

Ding ding ding

 

[Scooch]

EXTREMELY disappointing to read this. I do agree with Bees that when you lose this kind of stuff gets magnified. But it's really not what I was hoping to hear in year three of a regime that's been yapping non-stop about discipline and hard work.

 

[kcsu]

EXTREMELY disappointing to read this. I do agree with Bees that when you lose this kind of stuff gets magnified. But it's really not what I was hoping to hear in year three of a regime that's been yapping non-stop about discipline and hard work.

I was the one that posted on the team having some internal problems. So here we go with an update. It is my opinion that the team is burned out. Doug is a grinder these kids are young and the staff is very much like you see on the field on game day. In short more of a pro staff. Last year with a senior team it worked well this year with so many young contributors it isnt. Doug seems to have one way and isnt able or doesnt want to change his style to fit the team rather he wants the kids to adhere to the program. Right or wrong it is his way or the highway which is fine if you are winning and have strong senior leadership. This year is different. Lets just say that it has been a learning experiance for all including the staff. If you attend the games all you have to do is study the sideline to realize that what we have isnt a team in the true sense but a collection of players and groups of players. This was so apparant on friday . Even as we had a chance on the first drive to get back in the game the Kids on the sideline acted like they didnt give a dam. Sad actually but i think Doug really needs to take a look at how he is managing these kids in the off season.

 

[GoCuse44]

I was the one that posted on the team having some internal problems. So here we go with an update. It is my opinion that the team is burned out. Doug is a grinder these kids are young and the staff is very much like you see on the field on game day. In short more of a pro staff. Last year with a senior team it worked well this year with so many young contributors it isnt. Doug seems to have one way and isnt able or doesnt want to change his style to fit the team rather he wants the kids to adhere to the program. Right or wrong it is his way or the highway which is fine if you are winning and have strong senior leadership. This year is different. Lets just say that it has been a learning experiance for all including the staff. If you attend the games all you have to do is study the sideline to realize that what we have isnt a team in the true sense but a collection of players and groups of players. This was so apparant on friday . Even as we had a chance on the first drive to get back in the game the Kids on the sideline acted like they didnt give a dam. Sad actually but i think Doug really needs to take a look at how he is managing these kids in the off season.

I will say one thing that I have heard is that Marrone is meeting with each player individually which I think is the right way to approach a situation like this. Marrone may have to adjust his style somewhat since the kids of today are raised much differantly than the one's he coached at Georgia Tech fifteen years ago. As you said its a learning experience for Marrone and if he is unwilling to change his style (and things don't get better) he may realize that he is better suited for the pro's and head back to the NFL.

The other thing I have heard is that Marrone is that he does not like the amount of time he is away from his young children coaching at the college level. Unlike the NFL where you are home every night he does not even get a break during a bye week since he has to hit the recruiting trails and try an convince a 17 year old in Georgia, NYC, or some other part of the country to play for the Cuse. Its not easy on a person who has young kids.

All I can say is if Marrone decides to leave the program in the next few years I honestly believe it will be in much better shape than it was when GRob left.

 

[orangenauburn]

Once season ends there will be changes

But we really need that sixth win and a extra practices

 

[rrlbees]

Once season ends there will be changes

I am guessing 2, maybe 3 coaches will be replaced and 5-10 players with eligibility will not be back.

 

[orangenauburn]

Don't know the numbers or specific names but that seems right