Nate Hackett might be available soon

[longislandcuse]

JeremyCuse might not be calling for Hackett's head but I sure as hell am. If that makes me a "stupid fan", I guess I am a stupid fan.

There is no excuse for 32 runs up the middle when the weakest part of your team is the interior of your o line and the strongest part of the opponents team is the interior of their d line. There is no excuse for run run pass on multiple consecutive series in the NFL. This is the freaking NFL not college football... no team has the talent advantage to run the same plays over and over and think that they will work. There is also no excuse for 7 straight drives of three and out no matter what the score of a game is and no matter what the situation. If this was just a one game trend I'd let it go but the the Bills offense has been atrocious all season long besides a drive here or there.

GoSU96... before you call me our for being a stupid fan, were you one of those who called for McD to be removed from his coordinator position? Why is this any different? The Bills O is just as dysfunctional as the Cuse O except it has true game breaking talent. The biggest thing holding the O back is a terrible oline (isn't a certain hc who claims sainthood also a former olineman) and an OC who is in over his head.

I think Marrone should go also... he is making all of the same dumbass mistakes that would have gotten him fired here if he hadn't run into a 6 game hot streak. But I will give Saint Doug the benefit of the doubt since the team is pulling wins out of their ass that they would have lost any other year in the last 15. Hackett better be on thin ice or I had better see a brand new offense in two weeks.

I give Marrone credit for managing a team with a lot of talent to a record they should have however if he's going to hitch his ride to Hackett and it doesn't work out then he can go too. With this defense, we only need about 20 points per game to win, however with Hackett's conservative, predictable a$$ that seems to be a tall order. He needs to get his ish together over the bye week.

 

[longislandcuse]

You said it about yourself, I did not call you that name, but I agree with you.

As Syracuse fans how would you describe Hackett's offense? His first offense in the pros was built the same way it was successful in Syracuse: up-tempo. However, he is on QB (Kolb, Manual, Lewis, Tuel, Orton) #5 in 1 1/2 seasons. The QB forced upon him to start season two couldn't handle the tempo so he was forced to slow it down. Is he just supposed to re-teach the whole offense with Orton in the middle of the season? Maybe he can in during the bye, but it is unlikely.

Besides having to prepare 5 different QBs during this time, he is also dealing with a sieve of an OL. With a questionable QB and their best players being RBs, they rely on the run game to be successful and set up the pass. Since Orton has shown an ability to make plays, they are throwing it much more, but Orton was still getting killed with sacks and turnovers. If they completely abandon the running game, allowing teams to just tee-off on the QB, they won't have a passing game either.

The man isn't perfect and at times may be conservative. But I think the head coach, score and personnel may dictate that more than he would like.

Our best players are not running backs. They are Watkins-Woods-Hogan-Chandler-Goodwin. Aka THROW THE BALL. This is the NFL, not the B1G. Dude runs the ball like we have the Jets WRs.

I get that the gameplan today was probably "don't " but the amount of 3 and outs we had when this game should have been a beatdown of epic proportions by halftime was absurd. Then we come out of half and continue the streak of 3and outs.

This is every game. We throw the ball like a normal NFL team and we move the ball because we have good receivers. We run the ball like we're some smash mouth team and we do nothing.

Also, where are the quick routes? Why does every passing play take nine hours to develop?

 

[shandeezy7]

You don't get this post?

I was driving back from Philadelphia this afternoon and pulled into a diner in my old home town in New Jersey. The Jets-Bills game is on television and I see the score is 24 to 14 Bills. Then I get home 20 minutes ago and pull up this thread started by JeremyCuse about Hackett being available. I figure the Bills must have stunk up the place after I quit watching. Then I see that Buffalo scored 43 points and won and it was Geno Smith who stunk up the place.

Yeah, this post has me all confused.

The Bills could have scored 43 points with me as the O-Coordinator today. The majority of those points were set up by the defense, sans the two long passes to Sammy.

 

[Millhouse]

The jets have no secondary, the bills can't run the ball, orton and watkins have been great, the jets turned the ball over and over but the bills run over and over and punt over and over keeping the jets in the game until watkins had enough and took over

It ended up fine but the jets were in that game way too long. Look at how orton is playing forget what meatheads in Chicago and Denver did

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Somebody should let Hackett know he is going to lose his job. Geeze. You guys are tough. Last time I checked Bills were 5-3, middle of the road on offense with Orton as their QB.

 

[Millhouse]

Somebody should let Hackett know he is going to lose his job. Geeze. You guys are tough. Last time I checked Bills were 5-3, middle of the road on offense with Orton as their QB.

orton should change his name so people would actually look at how he's playing instead of just assuming it's 2005

after all those turnovers, they got nowhere. the bills defense might've actually improved in the second half just shutting them down instead of catched airmalled geno smith passes.

throw the ball to watkins. i don't want 22 boobie carries for 44 yards any more.

 

[longislandcuse]

Somebody should let Hackett know he is going to lose his job. Geeze. You guys are tough. Last time I checked Bills were 5-3, middle of the road on offense with Orton as their QB.

We don't need to be "middle of the road" on offense. Also "middle of the road" isnt an absurd amount of 3 and outs. We had one...ONE good drive, and that was the first drive of the game. After that all the scores came off the defense and 2 big plays to Watkins. The defense put us in the Jets side of the field about 5 times in the first half and we only scored on 2 of them.

Only thing i'll give Hackett credit for is good playcalls at the goal line to make sure those became TD's. That's about it.

I get that we didn't have FJax or Spiller but Dixon/Brown are still as good as most teams have in the NFL. Also, we have a great group of receivers who need touches. Watkins-Woods-Hogan-Chandler with the occassional deep pass to Goodwin. These guys are young but talented as ****. Get them the ball. Orton is absolutely capable of doing that. Maybe try some shorter routes earlier in the downs so every pass play isnt 20-50 yards down field that takes time to develop. Then use those pass plays to set up the run. It seems like all we do is run and throw deep passes.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

We don't need to be "middle of the road" on offense. Also "middle of the road" isnt an absurd amount of 3 and outs. We had one...ONE good drive, and that was the first drive of the game. After that all the scores came off the defense and 2 big plays to Watkins. The defense put us in the Jets side of the field about 5 times in the first half and we only scored on 2 of them.

Only thing i'll give Hackett credit for is good playcalls at the goal line to make sure those became TD's. That's about it.

I get that we didn't have FJax or Spiller but Dixon/Brown are still as good as most teams have in the NFL. Also, we have a great group of receivers who need touches. Watkins-Woods-Hogan-Chandler with the occassional deep pass to Goodwin. These guys are young but talented as ****. Get them the ball. Orton is absolutely capable of doing that. Maybe try some shorter routes earlier in the downs so every pass play isnt 20-50 yards down field that takes time to develop. Then use those pass plays to set up the run. It seems like all we do is run and throw deep passes.

I think Hackett is fine and he's not getting fired.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I think Hackett is fine and he's not getting fired.

I don't understand this logic. How is 7 straight drives with out a first down fine? How is 32 running plays up the middle fine when your biggest weakness is the middle of our oline and the biggest strength of the opposing team is the middle of their dline? How is run, run, pass on 5 straight drives (again without a single first down) fine?

Someone please please answer the last three questions for me because I am at a loss to do so. The game was not over when the 7 drive streak started, it was still close.

 

[longislandcuse]

I don't understand this logic. How is 7 straight drives with out a first down fine? How is 32 running plays up the middle fine when your biggest weakness is the middle of our oline and the biggest strength of the opposing team is the middle of their dline? How is run, run, pass on 5 straight drives (again without a single first down) fine?

Someone please please answer the last three questions for me because I am at a loss to do so. The game was not over when the 7 drive streak started, it was still close.

Not to mention how great the field position was for most of those drives.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I don't understand this logic. How is 7 straight drives with out a first down fine? How is 32 running plays up the middle fine when your biggest weakness is the middle of our oline and the biggest strength of the opposing team is the middle of their dline? How is run, run, pass on 5 straight drives (again without a single first down) fine?

Someone please please answer the last three questions for me because I am at a loss to do so. The game was not over when the 7 drive streak started, it was still close.

because its pro football.

nobody operates (unless you have stepped in whatever shlit brady and ben did yesterday) at a super high percentage. a lot of plays are designed to run the clock, keep the D honest and to basically spar and see whats gonna work.

good lord, the jets D isnt all that bad and your QB is kyle freakin orton. wasnt he duck hunting as recently as labor day??

you are fans of the buffalo bills for cripes sake!! you are 5-3!!! be happy!!!

listen...news flash...the bills will NOT win the SuperBowl this year.

enjoy the ride, its all you got...

 

[GoSU96]

orton should change his name so people would actually look at how he's playing instead of just assuming it's 2005

after all those turnovers, they got nowhere. the bills defense might've actually improved in the second half just shutting them down instead of catched airmalled geno smith passes.

throw the ball to watkins. i don't want 22 boobie carries for 44 yards any more.

You mean the guy those big dummies wasted a draft pick for, that guy?

 

[Millhouse]

You mean the guy those big dummies wasted a draft pick for, that guy?

still a terrible trade

orton saves marrone. even though marrone didn't want him

 

[OrangeFoo]

because its pro football.

nobody operates (unless you have stepped in whatever shlit brady and ben did yesterday) at a super high percentage. a lot of plays are designed to run the clock, keep the D honest and to basically spar and see whats gonna work.

good lord, the jets D isnt all that bad and your QB is kyle freakin orton. wasnt he duck hunting as recently as labor day??

you are fans of the buffalo bills for cripes sake!! you are 5-3!!! be happy!!!

listen...news flash...the bills will NOT win the SuperBowl this year.

enjoy the ride, its all you got...

The best part of the Jets D is their run stuffing ability... the worst part of their D is their secondary where I think they are starting folks from the JV team of local high schools because they are running out of bodies. Who sees this and says oh let me do 7 straight drives of run run pass? And to make it even better I'm going to run to the weakness of my team and the strength of the other team. If the G-men did this you would be out for blood.

Everyone forgets that the Bills were 5-0 with Chan Gailey and then won 2 games the rest of the season. This isn't about the record or winning the god damn superbowl, this is about whether the bills make the playoffs for the first time in freaking 15 years. This is the first year where I believe the talent is there to make the playoffs but the strategy, specifically on offense is not there.

 

[OrangeFoo]

still a terrible trade

orton saves marrone. even though marrone didn't want him

I'm going to disagree with you on the trade... We got ourselves a dude who could legitimately the best receiver in the league in a few years. I am happy to give up what will be a mid first round draft pick for that,

 

[GoSU96]

still a terrible trade

orton saves marrone. even though marrone didn't want him

Where's that from, the crap story that even you said was crap when it came out.

Now you are using it to take a shot, nice.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The trade to move up for Watkins was obviously worth it. The guy is clearly a stud and combine him with young receivers like Goodwin, Hogan and most importanly Woods and the Bills have a nice Combo of young WR's. If we can ever get Mike Williams functioning correctly we could have one of the better WR units in the game.

 

[longislandcuse]

The trade for Watkins was so worth it. Dude is a Top 5 WR talent as a rookie.

I'm also impressed with how well Chandler is playing. We focus on Watkins and then Woods and Hogan will get some touches with the occassional deep ball to Goodwin but Chandler deserves some love as well.

 

[Millhouse]

Where's that from, the crap story that even you said was crap when it came out.

Now you are using it to take a shot, nice.

if he liked orton, it wouldn't have been the boobie dixon show for way too long

 

[BuffOrange]

Millhouse killing it. Orton is fine. IMO the 13-25ish range is a saturation point with QB's. Maybe he's only like the 24th best qb in the league but that's not much different than 16th, whoever you think that is (Stafford, Dalton, Flacco, Smith, Cutler or whoever). But like the ~27th best qb is terrible. Therefore Orton is a valued asset.

Hackett is that bad and does the opposite of playing to his team's strengths as mentioned. Spare the sob story about having all these different QB's. Nobody forced him to run a hurry-up last year with a rookie QB. He just had to do things his way no matter what. I'm not quite as worked up about yesterday just because I want to allow for the possibility that they went with a "Chargers in Buffalo 2nd half" strategy of 'lets just run into a wall and not turn it over and we'll win'.

The Watkins trade is interesting from the Cleveland perspective too. Would they rather have the CB Gibson they took last year plus the Bills pick (probably 16-20ish) or Sammy? I think most people would pick B.

 

[longislandcuse]

If you took the name "Kyle Orton" out of the equation and just looked at his numbers over 4 games, you would think he was a Top 15 QB. He has talent and is also surrounded by talent, that will make you look even better than you are. My only complaint with him is how immobile he is and how long he holds onto the ball at times but I can handle those shortcomings with the way he can spin it.

 

[GoSU96]

if he liked orton, it wouldn't have been the boobie dixon show for way too long

Nice non sequitur.

Yep, he dislikes him so much he:

1. Replaced a #1 draft pick with him,

2. Had him throw the ball 40 plus times the first three games out of the box with no camp, pre-season, or first team snaps prior to Detroit game week.

That's an awful lot of dislike right there.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Just to add more fuel to the Hackett-roast... the Bills are 2nd to last in the league in terms of 3 and outs. That means only one team has more 3 and outs than the Bills. I wonder how many of the Bills 3 and outs were run, run, pass?

Please please keep telling me that Hackett is okay and the Bills are fine. All of their offensive stats are terrible. What I find funny is that we are the same people who almost universally wanted to get rid of McD as our o-ccordinator but because Hackett and Marrone have so many blindly loyal defenders we can't criticize Hackett's performance.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Just to add more fuel to the Hackett-roast... the Bills are 2nd to last in the league in terms of 3 and outs. That means only one team has more 3 and outs than the Bills. I wonder how many of the Bills 3 and outs were run, run, pass?

Please please keep telling me that Hackett is okay and the Bills are fine. All of their offensive stats are terrible. What I find funny is that we are the same people who almost universally wanted to get rid of McD as our o-ccordinator but because Hackett and Marrone have so many blindly loyal defenders we can't criticize Hackett's performance.

I just heard Bill Polian state that the Bills offense with Marrone and Hackett has done more with less this entire year, no real qb, o line, etc. I will take his opinion over yours thanks. You also need to look at the offense with Uncle Rico at the helm as opposed to EJ. 5-3 heading into a bye and you are acting as if you want the 84 Dolphins O out there, chill dude.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I just heard Bill Polian state that the Bills offense with Marrone and Hackett has done more with less this entire year, no real qb, o line, etc. I will take his opinion over yours thanks. You also need to look at the offense with Uncle Rico at the helm as opposed to EJ. 5-3 heading into a bye and you are acting as if you want the 84 Dolphins O out there, chill dude.

Please explain 32 runs to the center of your line when that is the weakest part of your team. I get that the bills have no oline but why then would you not only run to the weakest part of the line but also do it in the same patter than the other team knows exactly what is coming? Isn't it a coaches jobs to mask a team's weaknesses and not just exacerbate them? I love the blinders everyone is wearing just because a team is 5-3.