NC State Postgame

[Eric15]

I know probably it's too little too late at this point, but I think we should tweak our starting lineup.

Perhaps move Donnie to the 3 and have Sadiq start at 4. Or start Kiyan (who I know can't defend) or Betsey (who I know can only shoot) at 3 and move Kingz to 2.

Starling can come off the bench and give us as many minutes as his play dictates. If he's smart and efficient, play 25 minutes. If he's not play 8-10 minutes.

 

[Newhouser]

I know probably it's too little too late at this point, but I think we should tweak our starting lineup.

Perhaps move Donnie to the 3 and have Sadiq start at 4. Or start Kiyan (who I know can't defend) or Betsey (who I know can only shoot) at 3 and move Kingz to 2.

Starling can come off the bench and give us as many minutes as his play dictates. If he's smart and efficient, play 25 minutes. If he's not play 8-10 minutes.

I'd like to see Kyle, Donnie, Betsey, Kingz and JJ - George, Kiyan, White play when any of those 5 stink.

I also want to see what Fennell has.

None of this can happen however as I still believe Kiyan has guaranteed minutes, and JJ is not sitting.

I think Kingz will be the loser in the minutes situation as for some reason Red sits him more than anyone.

 

[swish7]

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He's such a tool.
Sucks to lose to him, but exiting him was the right move at the time.

 

[IthacaMatt]

well jj took more shots than betsey,kingz,kiyan and white combined in that time .
so you're argument is j.j. vs george ?

No, my point is that if nobody else on the team except Donnie can get a bucket, you have to expect Donnie and JJ to take too many shots, not all of which are going to be good ones.
The other guys shrunk from the moment.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't agree or disagree - it's impossible to know what would have happened if he had decided to pass to his teammates instead of taking 19 shots. But to imply that his sheer number of points is indicative of his will to win or that lack of points from other starters is evidence of their inability to score (aside from George last night - he had no business having the ball) if they had the ball is negligent in my opinion.

My gut tells me that if there were a couple fewer shot attempts and a couple more assists from JJ, that the score would have been closer. But that assumes his teammates make the shots and that the shot attempts removed from him were misses. As you can see, there's no way to tell.

Everybody but Donnie and JJ got the yips on offense. Nobody else could make a basket, Nobody else was even shooting. JJ wasn't good, but everybody else was worse.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I know probably it's too little too late at this point, but I think we should tweak our starting lineup.

Perhaps move Donnie to the 3 and have Sadiq start at 4. Or start Kiyan (who I know can't defend) or Betsey (who I know can only shoot) at 3 and move Kingz to 2.

Starling can come off the bench and give us as many minutes as his play dictates. If he's smart and efficient, play 25 minutes. If he's not play 8-10 minutes.

I laugh only because it makes sense but of course we can’t have JJ not getting all of the minutes

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Everybody but Donnie and JJ got the yips on offense. Nobody else could make a basket, Nobody else was even shooting. JJ wasn't good, but everybody else was worse.

That’s simply not true. I’m sure you’ve got me blocked so you won’t respond but you’re dead wrong and have been told so a dozen times in this thread alone.

Waiting until a guy is covered by his defender is not how you help teammates score baskets. And that is what I see JJ and George do when they pass. If they pass.

 

[IthacaMatt]

19 shots and nothing else in the box score. They allowed him to shoot. We have a shooter who starts that he refuses to pass to. It’s beyond selfish and makes me angry.

Everyone else was too scared to shoot or take it to the rim, except George, and he was only 2-12. Who else was going to get us any points?

 

[Scooch]

I gave you a like to offset it

You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

 

[newmexicuse]

Wow, we are officially off the road and on cement blocks.

The way our D parts whenever somebody drives to the hoop is enough to make me believe in the truth of the Red Sea parting. We see it every game - drive after drive.

Yeah, we get the occasional blocked shot, but big fning deal. How many drives and putbacks did we surrender ???

Donnie played very well, cant say the same for anybody else, but it was interesting to see the Russell sighting. If the season wasnt down the toilet I would say he might actually help.

Qadir was one of my favorite Cuse players when he was here. I really always liked the energy, vision, and excitement he brought to the Court. Too bad we didnt have patience with him, as I really enjoyed watching him. Once it was apparent that we werent going to win, I really was happy to see him do so well.

I just dont understand why supposedly high level transfers like George and Kingz keep practicing their David Copperfield disappearing acts for long stretches. These guys just arent involved consistently. We have a human pogo stick in Kyle - really - nobody could find him for an oop ??? There was a couple of times kyle got O boards and could of and should of gone up strong and instead he kicked. Why ?????

No point in talking about Red, the team's lack of energy is all we need to know.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Everybody but Donnie and JJ got the yips on offense. Nobody else could make a basket, Nobody else was even shooting. JJ wasn't good, but everybody else was worse.

JJ was open for a reason. They wanted him to shoot. And when he wasn’t open he still shot the ball including when Kingz was open in the second half. It was selfish.

 

[phsyra]

Teams must love playing us because they know they will get 25 easy layups per game...I'll never forget Lemoyne just slicing and dicing us for layups on every possession. I feel like we knew Red wasn't the answer in that Lemoyne game. How could we allow it to last another year?

 

[sufan59]

JJ was open for a reason. They wanted him to shoot. And when he wasn’t open he still shot the ball including when Kingz was open in the second half. It was selfish.

Will Wade is an analytics coach, it was apart of the game plan.

 

[tbonezone]

I just dont understand why supposedly high level transfers like George and Kingz

autry brings in george and kingz. wade gets copeland and williams.

 

[Sdot]

I find it weird last year team was wayyyyy worse then this team, and we will probably has a worse record than last year or maybe one or two more wins.

 

[jdubs30]

No one gets fired mid season. I want every coach here until the last ACCT game then fire them all. I don’t want a situation where the interim takes over and somehow we look better so there is a narrative we have to promote him.

The answer is clearly not on this staff

 

[jdubs30]

I find it weird last year team was wayyyyy worse then this team, and we will probably has a worse record than last year or maybe one or two more wins.

The pressure this year was 10x what it was last year. The early win vs Tennesee, and the good showing in Vegas — then everything just fell apart. Our talent has kept us in games then Red blows it.

We are terrible in close games and have 1 win against a top 100 team.

 

[Blanko97]

JJ was open for a reason. They wanted him to shoot. And when he wasn’t open he still shot the ball including when Kingz was open in the second half. It was selfish.

According to Mikes article when Darrion Williams was asked about how they carved up our D, Quadir whispered “tell them the truth.” Lord knows what they had said behind closed doors but it doesn’t sound like our D was difficult to figure out.

 

[orangemass]

Not a big deal, this was Quadir's Super Bowl.

He teabagged the cuse

 

[littlereg]

Last year in ACC play he averaged 13.4/6.5/5 with 3 tot on 41/35/78. This year he’s averaging 8.6/6/3 with 4 TPG on 31/30/81. He’s been significantly worse here than he was at Georgia Tech for whatever reason. We seem to make players worse.

he’s been mediocre/average player (depending if you favor BPM or RTG) his entire college career btw. Right at mediocre and slight above average offensively here, negatively there. He averaged 13 a game last year because he took 11 shots a game, that’s garbage basketball. Probably the same reason he averaged 6 assist because he dominated the ball. defensively he’s negative every single season with DRTG though that being team based obviously factors so his BPM is above average which I could agree with. Average to mediocre TS% every single season, below average efg% every single season. He’s not worth the money he makes and the mental is just as bad if not worse than the on court product. Red is the worst coach in America, it doesn’t take every single ounce of excuse out of George being terrible.

 

[23Zone]

Red captaining the Titanic

 

[Fly Rodder]

The pressure this year was 10x what it was last year. The early win vs Tennesee, and the good showing in Vegas — then everything just fell apart.

Tenn was the best defensive game SU played all season by a lot and it was the worst offensive game by Tenn all season (3rd worst by eFG%). We had both things work out in our favor and it was a 1 possession win. If either team played to their average, it probably would have been a double digit loss for SU. If only one was anomalous, then it still would have been a loss for SU.

 

[MikeSU02]

Everybody but Donnie and JJ got the yips on offense. Nobody else could make a basket, Nobody else was even shooting. JJ wasn't good, but everybody else was worse.

JJ this year vs career:

FG%: 43.3% / 42.9%
3PT%: 31% / 29.8%
PER: 13 / 12.4 (15 is an average player)
TS%: 48.5% / 49.9% (50 or below is poor)

JJ is actively losing us games and has been for his career. JJ doesn't have the yips on offense because he's not good or efficient on offense, but keeps shooting because our coach is awful and he has a level of awareness that is approaching zero. You are strictly mis-attributing ability with inefficiency without the data to back it up. You are using aggregate scoring to apply some form of quality to him that isn't true.

To say that others can't score or can't get shots isn't true because JJ is taking them all instead of facilitating.

 

[MikeSU02]

JJ was open for a reason. They wanted him to shoot. And when he wasn’t open he still shot the ball including when Kingz was open in the second half. It was selfish.

Every shot he takes that isn't at the rim is a win for the opposing team. They know it. Their analytics team knows it. Their coaches know it. And the players know it.

Only Red and JJ don't know it.

 

[23Zone]

JJ this year vs career:

FG%: 43.3% / 42.9%
3PT%: 31% / 29.8%
PER: 13 / 12.4 (15 is an average player)
TS%: 48.5% / 49.9% (50 or below is poor)

JJ is actively losing us games and has been for his career. JJ doesn't have the yips on offense because he's not good or efficient on offense, but keeps shooting because our coach is awful and he has a level of awareness that is approaching zero. You are strictly mis-attributing ability to inefficiency choices without the data to back it up. You are using aggregate scoring to apply some form of quality to him that isn't true.

To say that others can't score or can't get shots isn't true because JJ is taking them all instead of facilitating.