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NCAA, conferences sued over scholarships
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Isn't it odd that Alston is trying to sue 5 major conferences, none of which he actually played in? What grounds does a wvu player, who played in the big east, have to sue the acc, bevo, big rust, $ec, pac14?
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WVU is now in the Bevo. WVU's conference at the time that Alston played is no longer around to sue. The lawyer is hoping to turn this into a class action lawsuit, schools in the other conferences likely don't have deep enough pockets to pony up.
Other than possibly speeding up the introduction of full cost of attendance scholarships (something that was already approved once, before being postponed), I don't know what else this will do. Student athletes voluntarily signed their scholarship offers. I'm sure the lawyer would like to see a settlement to retroactively address the FCOA scholarship gap, I just don't see that happening.
Other than possibly speeding up the introduction of full cost of attendance scholarships (something that was already approved once, before being postponed), I don't know what else this will do. Student athletes voluntarily signed their scholarship offers. I'm sure the lawyer would like to see a settlement to retroactively address the FCOA scholarship gap, I just don't see that happening.
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Not sure he can gain standing in any conference other than the Big 12, and that is questionable. It seems more appropriate that he sue WVU or try all schools individually.
Regardless, he signed an agreement to play at WVU and had the opportunity to bargain then, using his Free Market approach. He failed to bargain and accepted their offer. They provided the education, contract fulfilled.
Regardless, he signed an agreement to play at WVU and had the opportunity to bargain then, using his Free Market approach. He failed to bargain and accepted their offer. They provided the education, contract fulfilled.
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That " employee" language is being used in these lawsuits in order to gain benefits beyond just money- multi-year scholarships, more input into rules and regulations, access to medical coverage beyond playing days.
The NCAA is going to have a hard time sticking with the 20 hours a week stuff when the courts see how much time athletes actually spend each week on athletic-related "obligations"
The NCAA is going to have a hard time sticking with the 20 hours a week stuff when the courts see how much time athletes actually spend each week on athletic-related "obligations"
I don't care if it is 40 (it's not). They are compensated very well for college students.
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In some sports, it's more than 40 if you count video, conditioning, treatment, study table, meetings, practice, travel. Not getting into the value argument, but you can't dispute the fact that student athletes have very little say in NCAA matters. There are a lot of issues beyond the value of the scholarship which have not been addressed by the NCAA. That's why the language of "employee" is being thrown in all these lawsuits.
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Regardless of the value of the education, the kids do not have to sign. Negotiations come before signing a deal, not after. If he is making a free market argument, he must subjugate himself to the same argument.
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There is no negotiation available under the current guidelines- that's the point of the Northwestern unionization attempt. Schools are not allowed to offer the full cost of attendance to student-athletes, yet academic scholarship recipients are receiving this.
Not sure what you think student-athletes can do unless you are suggesting that all of them refuse to sign a scholarship offer because there isn't any room for negotiation under the current NCAA rules
Not sure what you think student-athletes can do unless you are suggesting that all of them refuse to sign a scholarship offer because there isn't any room for negotiation under the current NCAA rules
The NFL should let them go right from h.s. Then we would see how much their football skills are worth.
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Not sure what the NFL has to do with the fact that regular students can get scholarships for the full cost of attendance, yet athletes can't because of NCAA rules...but to answer your question, Clowney could have gone #1 out of HS, so that would be a lot more than what he got from So. Carolina.
Then we would see how much their football skills are worth in the open market.
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That's right. It sounds like a semantics thing to me. Just because it's commonly referred to as a "full" scholarship but is actually whatever the school offers (tuition, room & board, or whatever the max package is), doesn't obligate the school to fork anything else over.
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You are not following his own argument. He claims free market so he is subject to it. That the NCAA may regulate parts of that market is immaterial. The school could offer no scholarship, a partial scholarship, or a full scholarship. He could have skipped signing or signed with another school, he chose WVU.
Free market does not mean that every detail is negotiated, ex.: cell phone service.
Further, he could have accepted an academic scholarship (we will assume he was actually college material in spite of his selection) at a Div. III school. This fact alone throws a serious wrinkle into his claims.
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I think the NFL has a 20 year old age limit. I fully agree with your point and it would go a long ways to creating a football minor league.
Football scholarship covers tuition, room/board and books/supplies...every school gives an estimate for personal/miscellaneous expenses that can include such items as local transportation, clothing, laundry, going to a movie, cell phone bills, and personal hygiene. Athletes have access to special tutoring. Student-athletes on scholarship are also covered by basic medical insurance, disability insurance and catastrophic injury insurance. Many get Pell grants too. They frequently have access to special dining facilities where they have access to better food.
Can someone tell us why that is not the "full cost of attendance"?
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Exactly because of the list that you provided:
These items are not covered. A FCoA scholarship would provide a stipend to address these items.
It does open up a can of worms, as some (including this poster) believe that if there is a stipend then it should go to all student athletes... not just to those in revenue sports. $2,000-$2,500 for hundreds of athletes does add up.
Schools in the non-Power-5 conferences aren't in a position to pay these stipends, hence the need for a new subdivision. Heck, even some schools in Power-5 conferences can't afford that. Yes, Rutgers & Maryland, I'm talking about you.
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If every school gives them, how are they not covered?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1094781-so-whats-a-college-football-scholarship-worth-anyway
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Those are expensive benefits. Lets say I wanted to be a pro football player. How can I best prepare for that? Well, I need a coach, I need a strength coach, I need facilities to train in, access to a trainer and treatment/pys. therapy. Those benefits are expensive. That's not part of the 40 hours.
Hardly. Very few non-football players on academic get more coverage than football players. Most undergrads on academic scholarships get some tuition...a few get all tuition...& some room & board. They don't get more than that. If you told universities that students on academic scholarships must receive at least the level of coverage that a football player gets, I hardly think they would go for it because their costs would skyrocket.
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Schools do not provide funds for the personal expenses you mentioned- that is not allowed by NCAA rules. This is what the $2,000 was meant to cover, but schools don't want to commit (many with very good reasons).
Pell Grants do not exceed the amount allowed by the NCAA- this isn't extra money going to students' pockets.
You are saying the article I cited is wrong on both counts then.
Remember, financial need is based on the total cost of going to school. Most football players who qualify get Pell Grants deposited directly into their pockets and use it for anything they want.
