NCAA stong arming university to drop Indian name & logo

[All4SU]

Not to mention the Central Michigan Chippewas...

Surely the NCAA must have better things to do.

 

[Cadillac]

Which also has the lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.5%. They lagged the country in population growth from 2000-2010, but they currently have work fairs in other states to try to get unemployed workers with qualifications that match openings in the state to move there. The weather makes it an admittedly hard sell...but I don't think Fargo is all that much worse than Syracuse, NY on weather.

North Dakota chat!

IIRC most of those jobs are oil-related at the western end of the state, not in the Red River Valley. The companies have built gigantic dorms in places like Williston, but they kind of look like an Arctic work camp. Don't think these workers or companies are there to stay. It's similar to the Athabasca Oil Sands and all the Newfies they shuttled in.

Who knows, maybe they'll stick around because of the excellent college hockey.

Fun derail.

 

[690West]

I once knew a boy named Sioux

 

[Cadillac]

Not to mention the Central Michigan Chippewas...

Surely the NCAA must have better things to do.

CMU took a FSU-style spear off the helmet and replaced it with the Flying C logo. They also secured the backing of the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe and won an appeal. That's good faith.

UND not only kept the same Sioux-head logo for the last 20 years, they realized they would never get the tribe's backing, so they plastered the logo everywhere they could in a new arena. That's juvenile.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Im a little torn on this.
On the one hand, I respect the right of any people to control the use of their image. I don't know if it'd even be an issue if we were talking about "The Fightin' Negroes" , or the " Resilient Jews", or the "Battling Italians", of so-and-so State U. Much like the "Fighting Irish", they would likely hold final say on whether to keep using their image or not.
However, there are reasons why you don't see many other groups represented as "mascots" for sports teams- they've always had advocates to guard their image when necessary. Native Americans lost most of their lobbying power when they lost their land, so its no wonder names like "Redskins" have stuck, with or without their consent.

OTOH, the PC Police suck. Everyone needs to calm down & not take themselves so seriously. These nicknames are used as an "honor" & not to denigrate. But who am I to decide how to "honor" someone else's heritage?

The NCAA is playing it safe (and hypocritical) by trying to close the "loopholes" just to keep everyone happy. I'm sure the vast majority have no problem with the names, but its the vocal minority (the squeaky wheel), that they're always afraid of.
In this case if the tribe hasn't agreed with the school, then change it. Nuff' said.

 

[DNABB5]

I once knew a boy named Sioux

Yea, and I I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

 

[All4SU]

The NCAA is playing it safe (and hypocritical) by trying to close the "loopholes" just to keep everyone happy. I'm sure the vast majority have no problem with the names, but its the vocal minority (the squeaky wheel), that they're always afraid of.
In this case if the tribe hasn't agreed with the school, then change it. Nuff' said.

It's not the NCAA's concern. It's not their jurisdiction. If anyone has an issue with NDU, let them take it up with them.

 

[SU2NASA]

When Baltimore got a CFL team, they called it the Baltimore Colts. So the Indianapolis Colts sued them and they had to drop the name. So they dropped the name and unofficially became 'The horses with no name'.

North Dakota Native People's with no Name

Come on, make this happen.

 

[ithacat]

CMU took a FSU-style spear off the helmet and replaced it with the Flying C logo. They also secured the backing of the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe and won an appeal. That's good faith.

UND not only kept the same Sioux-head logo for the last 20 years, they realized they would never get the tribe's backing, so they plastered the logo everywhere they could in a new arena. That's juvenile.

That was Ralph Engelstad's intention. Here's some text from his Wiki page...

Engelstad embroiled himself in the fight over the Fighting Sioux logo when he built a $100 million arena on the University of North Dakota campus for the Fighting Sioux hockey program. Midway in its construction, Engelstad threatened to withdraw funding if the long standing nickname were to be changed.[4] The logo was placed in thousands of instances in the arena, making the prospect of removal a costly measure. Later, Engelstad placed the stadium under private (rather than University) management and stipulated that the Fighting Sioux motif be kept indefinitely. An Engelstad family trust continues to own the arena and rents it to the University.[5]
The North Dakota Board of Higher Education ruled on April 8, 2010, to retire the Fighting Sioux nickname.[6]

Nazi Controversy
Engelstad was a controversial figure. He raised accusations of being sympathetic to Nazism owing to his collection of Nazi memorabilia stored in a private room within the casino-hotel, including a painting of himself dressed in a Nazi uniform (captioned "To Adolf from Ralphie"), a painting of Hitler with the reverse caption, and a collection of antique cars alleged to have once belonged to German Nazi leaders.
[edit] Hitler Birthday Party

On April 20 in 1986 and 1988, he hosted parties to celebrate Adolf Hitler's birthday[1] at his casino in Las Vegas which featured bartenders in T-shirts reading "Adolf Hitler — European tour 1939-45". Because of this, in 1989, the Nevada Gaming Commission fined Engelstad $1.5 million "for actions that damaged the reputation and image of Nevada's gaming industry." Engelstad apologized publicly for the parties, but the row was not to be his last controversial move.[2]

 

[All4SU]

Kind of funny that they would think anything could "damage the reputation and image of Nevada's gaming industry."

But Hitler parties at his casino? What a dope.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Ok- so the AHole was apparently a closet Adolph & maliciously went about sabotaging the stadium w/ the Sioux-head logo? I don't see any honorable intent from his position, & frankly, I can see why the NCAA hasn't backed off. No wonder the tribe hasn't given their approval, its likely because they were having the name shoved down their throats whether they liked it or not!

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Not to mention the Central Michigan Chippewas...

Surely the NCAA must have better things to do.

There is actually no depiction of a Native American associated with CMU. Their logo is a big "C" and students are instructed that tomahawk chops and other nonesense is not allowed. The campus is all but located on tribal land

I personally think it's kind of sad relagating a people to the status of "mascot" but that's me.

I do find the Washington Redskins to be a very racist name though and have never understood how that could be allowed.