ND Postgame

[RF2044]

kingz goes 11-17.5 treys , 3 asst 3 steals. nice night for sure but i believe that's what they call an outlier.

I believe he's way better than he's shown. I also believe that it is borderline negligence that he hasn't been featured more in our offensive concept.

But that's what happens when you have bad coaching.

 

[phil77]

Look, we won tonight without Donnie because it was ND. You guys can downplay Donnie all you want and say hey look we are great, we beat ND. BLAH BLAH BLAH Donnie was bad tonight blah blah Donnie this and Donnie that

Here are the facts...

Donnie in ACC play BEFORE TONIGHT

57/111 from the field = 51.4% FG
12/33 from 3 = 36.3 % 3 PT
33/39 from FT line = 84.6% FT

Averaging
19.9 PPG
8.3 RPG
2.7 Turnovers per game since he is "loose with the ball"

 

[IthacaMatt]

Look, we won tonight without Donnie because it was ND. You guys can downplay Donnie all you want and say hey look we are great, we beat ND. BLAH BLAH BLAH Donnie was bad tonight blah blah Donnie this and Donnie that

Here are the facts...

Donnie in ACC play BEFORE TONIGHT

12/33 from 3 = 36.3 % 3 PT

He made 7 of his first 12 threes, then missed 16 of his next 21 attempts.
Also facts.

 

[phil77]

He made 7 of his first 12 threes, then missed 16 of his next 21 attempts.
Also facts.

And JJ sucked almost every previous game and was great tonight

 

[blust2i3d4]

Double OT loss hosting UVa after a huge first half lead. Mike Brey doesn't look so bad.

Maybe we could beat Virginia.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Look, we won tonight without Donnie because it was ND. You guys can downplay Donnie all you want and say hey look we are great, we beat ND. BLAH BLAH BLAH Donnie was bad tonight blah blah Donnie this and Donnie that

Here are the facts...

Donnie in ACC play BEFORE TONIGHT

57/111 from the field = 51.4% FG
12/33 from 3 = 36.3 % 3 PT
33/39 from FT line = 84.6% FT

Averaging
19.9 PPG
8.3 RPG
2.7 Turnovers per game since he is "loose with the ball"

We need Donnie. No denying that BC rattled him and VT after that. Autry isn’t some mastermind coach he’s throwing crap at the wall and seeing what works. I don’t think it’s more than that.

 

[phil77]

We need Donnie. No denying that BC rattled him and VT after that. Autry isn’t some mastermind coach he’s throwing crap at the wall and seeing what works. I don’t think it’s more than that.

BC he was 50% from the field and 19/14

 

[atlanticuse]

He came off the bench against Clemson 9 games ago.

I don’t know what’s up but it’s weird.

His skinny legs needed some rest

 

[IthacaMatt]

And JJ sucked almost every previous game and was great tonight

Donnie is the star of this team, and hasn't played as well as he can for the last 6 games. Some parts of his games have been good, some not so good, and we lost 4 in a row until tonight.

JJ only averages 11 points a game. He's not expected or supposed to be 'The Star'. He's had half a dozen 15 point games before tonight. That's a decent sidekick at the 2G.

If George and Kingz had been better, he would be lower usage and probably more efficient offensively. His defense isn't great, but it's better than before, and not obviously the worst guy on the team.

There is another guy who teams go at when he's in there, and Red has gone so far as to try the 2-3 zone to protect him out there.

This is J.J.'s third season. He wasn't supposed to be "the man" in any of those seasons - Judah Mintz or Donnie Freeman were. And how many 20 point games does this guy have in his career for us? I would think double digits by now. (Edit: Google AI says he has 13.)

 

[CuseBlood44]

Double OT loss hosting UVa after a huge first half lead. Mike Brey doesn't look so bad.

Mike Brey is a very interesting name for HC

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Yea for real. Why he thinks NBA 3's are a good idea when he can't make his free throws is insanity.

I worry about people wanting him back next year with the new coach. A guy like Sadiq can be turned into even more of a beast. Kiyan not so sure, he may be a 4 year college mercenary and play 4 diff schools honestly.

I really needs to get stronger - like a lot stronger

 

[Cusefan0307]

I believe he's way better than he's shown. I also believe that it is borderline negligence that he hasn't been featured more in our offensive concept.

But that's what happens when you have bad coaching.

This is where I’m at. The team would have been better had he been featured more at the start of the season. There were games he would go a half without touching the ball. He’s our second best offensive player.

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Donnie is the star of this team, and hasn't played as well as he can for the last 6 games. Some parts of his games have been good, some not so good, and we lost 4 in a row until tonight.

JJ only averages 11 points a game. He's not expected or supposed to be 'The Star'. He's had half a dozen 15 point games before tonight. That's a decent sidekick at the 2G.

If George and Kingz had been better, he would be lower usage and probably more efficient offensively. His defense isn't great, but it's better than before, and not obviously the worst guy on the team.

There is another guy who teams go at when he's in there, and Red has gone so far as to try the 2-3 to protect him out there.

This is his third season. He wasn't supposed to be "the man" in any of those seasons - Judah Mintz or Donnie Freeman were. And how many 20 point games does this guy have in his career for us? I would think double digits by now. (Edit: Google AI says he has 13.)

If you factor in defense (and we are supposed to be a defensive team) than Kingz is a real good player and has lived up to what we expected - no one goes past him

 

[phil77]

Donnie is the star of this team, and hasn't played as well as he can for the last 6 games. Some parts of his games have been good, some not so good, and we lost 4 in a row until tonight.

JJ only averages 11 points a game. He's not expected or supposed to be 'The Star'. He's had half a dozen 15 point games before tonight. That's a decent sidekick at the 2G.

If George and Kingz had been better, he would be lower usage and probably more efficient offensively. His defense isn't great, but it's better than before, and not obviously the worst guy on the team.

There is another guy who teams go at when he's in there, and Red has gone so far as to try the 2-3 to protect him out there.

This is his third season. He wasn't supposed to be "the man" in any of those seasons - Judah Mintz or Donnie Freeman were. And how many 20 point games does this guy have in his career for us? I would think double digits by now.

NC STATE was the last game he was 24/10 50% from the field 50% from 3 100% from the FT line?????? That isn't good?

In ACC play Donnie had 1 bad game against VT

I didn't love his play against Miami I thought he wasn't aggressive enough, especially on the boards but he wasn't bad... 7/11 from the field isn't horrible I wouldn't label it as bad just not excellent. Otherwise everything else in ACC play is good.

18/9
27/9
22/5
25/8
19/14
10/9 - vt
14/2 - miami mentioned above
24/10

Shooting over 50% from the field over 35% from three and over 80% from the free throw line

Like he is putting up all ACC numbers I don't know what you guys expect. 30/20 per game?

 

[Scooch]

NC STATE was the last game he was 24/10 50% from the field 50% from 3 100% from the FT line?????? That isn't good?

In ACC play Donnie had 1 bad game against VT

I didn't love his play against Miami I thought he wasn't aggressive enough, especially on the boards but he wasn't bad... 7/11 from the field isn't horrible I wouldn't label it as bad just not excellent. Otherwise everything else in ACC play is good.

18/9
27/9
22/5
25/8
19/14
10/9 - vt
14/2 - miami mentioned above
24/10

Shooting over 50% from the field over 35% from three and over 80% from the free throw line

Like he is putting up all ACC numbers I don't know what you guys expect. 30/20 per game?

I’ll cop to completely forgetting about how he played in the NC State game. I guess 20 point losses do that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is where I’m at. The team would have been better had he been featured more at the start of the season. There were games he would go a half without touching the ball. He’s our second best offensive player.

The problem is, what do you do when you want to build your offense around a guy who has missed more games in the last 2 years (28) than he has played (26)? The most important ability is availability.

 

[CardiacCuse]

This is where I’m at. The team would have been better had he been featured more at the start of the season. There were games he would go a half without touching the ball. He’s our second best offensive player.

unfortunately during the roster build, red predecidded that JJ and Freeman were the stars of the team and would be getting heavy volume

its very low iq of him to wait until things get catastrophically bad to revisit what the pecking order should be

a good coach needs to be much much more fluid and reflxive to what is actually happening on the court and not just going off of prescription and predecided hierarchy

ive been saying all season that kingz needs more volume

but part of it is also how other teams scout and being one step ahead instead of 1 step behind

the next game oppnonets will game plan against kingz...so that opens the door for donnie etc

 

[phil77]

The problem is, what do you do when you want to build your offense around a guy who has missed more games in the last 2 years (28) than he has played (26)? The most important ability is availability.

Now this is 10000% a real thing to complain about when it comes to Donnie I agree with you. Not his play on the court when he is actually on it.

 

[bballbeadle]

So no one yet knows why Donnie didn’t start? Hopefully we will know the truth soon. Also, the man sitting behind me said that Donnie and JJ were in some kind of enemy mode. Their body language towards each other was terrible. Now, I didn’t - of course - notice any of that, but I am wondering if anyone else did? I am counting on the board to shed light on these issues so I can take it back to my “team” sitting around me. Thanks!

The crowd was perhaps the biggest we have had all season. The students once again were there. I was thinking people would be pretty apathetic and not show up, but it was great that they did and great that we won. It was - darn it! - it was just so great!

There was a middle-aged overweight VT fan sitting in front of us and every time he stood up you could see 1/3 or half of his buttockal area. I cannot tell you how much fun we had with that. I wish we could have that every game. It would ease the pain somewhat.

At halftime we were all standing around talking and someone asked if we were going to get tickets again next year. To a man, woman and child (who have no say so) we all said yes.

Very nice tribute to Lawrence Moten at halftime. JB was there and he choked up talking about Lawrence. He was such a good player. I have forgiven him, at long last, for calling the time out we didn’t have in the Elite Eight game his senior year. What a terrible way for him to end his college career! John Wallace was on the floor with about 20 family members. Still can’t believe he’s gone.

So happy we won! Wonder if we will again?

 

[Blanko97]

If you’re playing matchups against ND you’re in a rough spot

 

[IthacaMatt]

NC STATE was the last game he was 24/10 50% from the field 50% from 3 100% from the FT line?????? That isn't good?

In ACC play Donnie had 1 bad game against VT

I didn't love his play against Miami I thought he wasn't aggressive enough, especially on the boards but he wasn't bad... 7/11 from the field isn't horrible I wouldn't label it as bad just not excellent. Otherwise everything else in ACC play is good.

18/9
27/9
22/5
25/8
19/14
10/9 - vt
14/2 - miami mentioned above
24/10

Shooting over 50% from the field over 35% from three and over 80% from the free throw line

Like he is putting up all ACC numbers I don't know what you guys expect. 30/20 per game?

So, Phil, do you think Donnie's playing great?
Do you think he's playing anywhere close to what he's capable of?
Because I sure don't.

He's been ok, but not dominant. He remains too inconsistent to call him "All ACC" when we cannot beat the doormats of the league with him.

Hey, all of you guys ~ It's just not about stats and advanced metrics.

It's about making plays that win games.

Donnie doesn't do enough of that, does he?

 

[Bayside44]

Mike Brey is a very interesting name for HC

He's a 66 year old guy riding it out with the Atlanta Hawks.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The problem is, what do you do when you want to build your offense around a guy who has missed more games in the last 2 years (28) than he has played (26)? The most important ability is availability.

It really has nothing to do with Freeman though. Kingz went entire halves of games without touching the ball early in the year when Donnie was injured. Even after his heater against Tennessee we didn’t even look for him in the second half. He was parked in the corner. Lately they seem to be using him more as a guard and not another Chris Bell. A big complaint I have of Red is the shot distribution within the team.

 

[phil77]

So, Phil, do you think Donnie's playing great?
Do you think he's playing anywhere close to what he's capable of?
Because I sure don't.

He's been ok, but not dominant. He remains too inconsistent to call him "All ACC" when we can beat the doormats of the league with him.

Hey, all of you guys ~ It's just not about stats and advanced metrics.

It's about making plays that win games.

Donnie doesn't do enough of that, does he?

I think he is playing as well as he can with the team and coach around him. I think he could be a little better on the boards, but that is about it. I think a better coach and better offensive system and a better lead guard can get more out of him.

His stats are consistent I don't know what you are talking about. Besides today, where Red messed with him and benched him for whatever reason, either Reds fault or Donnies fault, and VT where he was bad, he has been consistent I don't know where you are getting he has been inconsistent from? In ACC play, he has been consistent. You don't average what he is averaging without being consistent. Like, I don't understand, he isn't scoring 30 and then 10 to average 20, he is scoring around the same every game. That is consistent. Look at the game log I posted; they are all pretty close to the same. That is consistent.

Making plays to win the game?? Our coach is terrible. Our guards are awful. That is why we are losing games, not because Donnie isn't playing well or is inconsistent.

I also agree about the health comment you made.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think he is playing as well as he can with the team and coach around him. I think he could be a little better on the boards, but that is about it. I think a better coach and better offensive system and a better lead guard can get more out of him.

His stats are consistent I don't know what you are talking about. Besides today, where Red messed with him and benched him for whatever reason, either Reds fault or Donnies fault, and VT where he was bad, he has been consistent I don't know where you are getting he has been inconsistent from? In ACC play, he has been consistent. You don't average what he is averaging without being consistent. Like, I don't understand, he isn't scoring 30 and then 10 to average 20, he is scoring around the same every game. That is consistent. Look at the game log I posted; they are all pretty close to the same. That is consistent.

Making plays to win the game?? Our coach is terrible. Our guards are awful. That is why we are losing games, not because Donnie isn't playing well or is inconsistent.

I also agree about the health comment you made.

22 minutes is strange. We didn’t even bring him in until about 8 minutes in. The excuses didn’t pass the smell test.