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Nebraska '84 - LSU '15

I've been doing my best to try and find the line but I can't find it yet. 23 would seem light
I thought it was 22 or 23 but it's been over 30 years so who knows. A NY Times article just said Nebraska was a "prohibitive" favorite. In Scott Pitoniak's book Syracuse University Football (Images of Sports), p. 87, it says Nebraska was a 24 point favorite. A DO article, republished in 2014, says SU was a 25 point underdog.

That morning a group of us played touch football in Thornden Park before going to the game. One of the guys had bet more than he could afford on Nebraska and I was arguing with him that Syracuse was better than most people thought and had a good chance to keep it close. And as SWC described above, in the 0-19 Rutgers game Cuse kept shooting themselves in the foot with turnovers and arguably was better than Rutgers. At the game, the guy who bet on Nebraska looked like he was going to cry when the game was only 7-3 at half. When Siano caught the TD pass he realized he had no chance to win his bet and started cheering for Cuse like the rest of us. After the game was final the crowd stormed the field. The security guards at first tried to stop it but gave up and focused on keeping fans away from the goalposts. I remember one frat boy was so drunk that he stopped and and peed in the middle of the field. Next day the NY Times has a story on the front page - A1 - about the upset.
 
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My dad had season tix and said why go and see SU get destroyed so I got them .. told him "if SU wins you will forever regret it ' he just laughed .. well he admitted i was right .. a great memory of my dad ...he passed away during the Big East tourney in 2003 .. the bball team helped me get thru his passing .. I asked him to help when we were down to O State and almost instantly shots started falling .. I always feel he helped us win it all that year

I think that this deserves a pinned thread on the basketball forum.

Thank you to your pops. SUball
 
I've been doing my best to try and find the line but I can't find it yet. 23 would seem light

It was posted at 22 or 23, but when that thread started on Monday about Dungey being cleared to practice it magically dropped off the board and hasn't been seen since.

I'm being serious. I believe someone mentioned it in that thread too.
 
My 1st and only "field storming".

Gave Schwedes a high five (I knew him from HS).

Pretty sure Marrone ran over me.

A fine JD grad. You may have gone to school with my dad, although he is a few years older that Schwedes.
 

Great post and great memory.

But can we talk about how piss poor that video is? I've seen it everywhere and I can't believe that they couldn't spend a few minutes on 1 of the biggest games in the programs history to make it decent?

side note, Mike Siano now lives in Atlanta. Decent guy. Little odd, but good dude.
 
It was posted at 22 or 23, but when that thread started on Monday about Dungey being cleared to practice it magically dropped off the board and hasn't been seen since.

I'm being serious. I believe someone mentioned it in that thread too.
I was talking about the Nebraska line from 1984. But thanks ATL
 
I checked the Herald American from 9/30/84, (the day after the game) and it says the line was 25. Maybe different sources had a different line or it changed on different days. Anyway, we were supposed to lose big.
 
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SWC75 said:
I checked the Herald American from 9/30/84, (the day of the game) and it says the line was 25. Maybe different sources had a different line or it changed on different days. Anyway, we were supposed to lose big.

I remember betting SU. It started at 22/23 and moved to 25 which is when I jumped on it. I used to bet a lot of games back then and play parlays. I don't remember it at 28 anywhere.
 
I remember betting SU. It started at 22/23 and moved to 25 which is when I jumped on it. I used to bet a lot of games back then and play parlays. I don't remember it at 28 anywhere.
Well, I got 28. I guess I was lucky.
 
dasher said:
Well, I got 28. I guess I was lucky.

Guess so since that wasn't the line. I guess some local could make the line whatever they wanted too based on what side they were getting bets on. But the "line" as people refer to was not 28.
 
i just hope for a sold out Dome, like we had back then. I realize some have to rake leaves though
 
Guess so since that wasn't the line. I guess some local could make the line whatever they wanted too based on what side they were getting bets on. But the "line" as people refer to was not 28.
First, it was in the springfield union. Second, I won $$ with it. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if the line was lower in Syracuse and the local community. By that way, I wasn't betting $10 parlays. Most $$ I ever made on a game was Syracuse vs B.C. back in the 80's. You got Syracuse +8 at Foxboro. I got Syracuse plus 8 1/2. We lost 28-20.
 
dasher said:
First, it was in the springfield union. Second, I won $$ with it. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if the line was lower in Syracuse and the local community. By that way, I wasn't betting $10 parlays.

The paper prints the "line", not what a local bookie anyplace is asking for. When someone here says what is the line on the SU-Pitt game, they aren't asking what any singular bookie is asking. They are asking what the Vegas line is. Knowing there are now many Vegas lines but they're all similar.
 
The paper prints the "line", not what a local bookie anyplace is asking for. When someone here says what is the line on the SU-Pitt game, they aren't asking what any singular bookie is asking. They are asking what the Vegas line is. Knowing there are now many Vegas lines but they're all similar.
LOL I have just a little bit of experience with betting. I know where the lines come from and how they move.
 
dasher said:
LOL I have just a little bit of experience with betting. I know where the lines come from and how they move.

As do I. So why debate what the published line was?
 
dasher said:
When did I debate it. I stated a fact. Nothing more. Get a grip.

Lol. You're playing word games. Just because you got 28 someplace does not mean the line was 28 in the context that people were asking. SWC even checked the paper from back then. But you were certain the "line" was 28. You got 28.
 
Lol. You're playing word games. Just because you got 28 someplace does not mean the line was 28 in the context that people were asking. SWC even checked the paper from back then. But you were certain the "line" was 28. You got 28.
SWX also wrote it was 28. No word games. You are once again being childish and looking for trouble. I don't need it. I have made more $$ betting on games than a lot of people earn. I have been so successful that I didn't have to stop back in the 80's. I got 28. I have a great memory for things like that. Look for your trouble elsewhere. It isn't worth my time.
 
Nebraska was a 28 point favorite, (in a lower-scoring era overall: 22 points per team per game vs. 29 now). I've heard LSU is a 24 point favorite. The previous year they'd outscored 12 regular season opponents 624-186, (52.0-15.5), including a 63-7 stomping of the Orange in Lincoln. They'd lost to Miami in the Orange Bowl 30-31 on a failed two point conversion,. They could have wrapped up the National title by just kicking the extra point but Tom Osborne wanted his team to go out a winner. I've always thought they should have been voted #1 anyway. That Miami team was not on the level of their alter teams, (11-1-0 with a 3-28 loss to Florida: they outscored their opposition 313-136). That game was an UPSET. They happen. Nebraska was clearly the best team in the country that year. And they were voted #1 pre-season for 1984 and had just obliterated another supposed title contender, UCLA, 42-3 on national TV in LA.

We'd finished 6-5 in 1983, out fourth winning season in 14 years. We had a pretty good defense led by Tim Green but had been embarrassed in Lincoln after the coaches made rousing speeches to the players about "showing them who you are". With every snap, 11 defenders ran after the ball. Every misdirection play waltzed into the end zone. I remember that, in discussing Syracuse, the Nebraska players said that, despite the score, Syracuse had given them more resistance than most of the team's they'd played in '83. Later I heard that privately, they considered us one of the weakest teams they'd played.

We opened impressively by beating Maryland at Maryland, 23-7. the Terps were a Top 25 program under Bobby Ross at the time and this was big win for our rebuilding program. Then we went to Northwestern, which was awful at the time and won 13-12 on a TD pass on the game's last play. It was a win but kind of embarrassing that the game was so close. Then came the Rutgers game. The Scarlet Knights were mediocre, not as bad as they later became but not as good as they became in the Schiano Era. They went 7-3 that year but didn't make a bowl game because their schedule wasn't that strong. But they had almost upset Penn State in the opener, losing 12-15. Then they beat Temple 10-9 and came to Syracuse.

My recollection of the Rutgers game is that there was plenty of enthusiasm in the stands and among the players before the game. We won the toss, took the kick-off and drove right down the field but fumbled deep in their territory. we forced a punt but fumbled the punt. We forced another punt from midfield and fumbled on the second play, giving the ball to Rutgers deep in our territory. They scored and we never got to their end zone. They got two TDs, a field goal and a safety as the game just deteriorated. The fan base was totally deflated. We obviously had NO chance to beat Nebraska and were going to lose by some unholy score.

From what I've read, the coaches were more low-key the next week. They wanted to emphasize everyone doing their job rather than everybody trying to make big plays. The emotional tenor was supplied by all the prediction that we were going to get crushed: why even play the game? Our defense, led by "Four Wheel Drive": Tim Green, Bill Pendock, Blaise Winter and Jamie Kimmell, was proud and determined to prove they weren't the sieve they appeared to be in the previous year's game. Nebraska, meanwhile came here assuming the game would be a walk over. (I'm sure their coaches didn't but with the players it seems to have been a losing battle.) One thing we had going for us: Nebraska didn't run a wide-open offense that made you cover the whole field. They were used to meeting people at the point of attack and overpowering them. If we could meet them at the point of attack and turn the tables, ti could be a different game. And it was.

We kicked off and an orange wave swept over the Husker's return team. When the play was over, Tom Rathmann was flat on his back. He had to be carted off the field and missed the rest of the game. It seemed to set the tone. Four Wheel Drive not only wouldn't give in to the muscular Husker line but penetrated into the backfield to destroy plays and force turnovers. SU hung in there and hung in there and were down only 3-7 when Todd Norley, in virtually the last play of his career, (he injured a knee on the play), threw a long pass to Mike Siano late into the third period to get us the lead:

Later Harold Gayden scored an insurance touchdown. Coach Mac, for some reason, elected to take a safety late in the game to get out of a fourth and long situation and the final was 17-9. I remember the highlights of the game were shown using the theme from "Ghostbusters" which was popular in the theaters of the time and SU was dubbed the "Husker busters".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc
I was unable to find the tape but it showed Tim Green and company wreaking havoc in the Husker backfield, sacking the QB, falling on fumbles, etc.

Someone from Lincoln called the pressbox after the game and asked what the correct score really was. "Your team couldn't possibly have beaten our team". One Nebraska player said "I hope we're better than Rutgers". I remember walking back to the parking lot with a bunch of Nebraska fans who were practically running into streetlights and telephone polls because they were so dazed.

And then we lost our next three games in a row. But we rallied to go 6-5 again and then 7-4 and bowl game the next year. That gave us what Coach Mac called "bowl credibility", (back when bowls were credible), and he used to recruit the players, especially in the offensive line that helped create the big breakthrough of 1987, the first of 15 winning seasons in a row.

The comparison to this game against LSU:

Syracuse is again trying to rebuild the team and their national image and a take-down of LSU would be a huge step up. LSU is certainly a national power but they aren't the subject of awe that Nebraska had in 1984. They aren't the defending national champions. Nobody is saying they might be the greatest team ever. They were impressive beating Auburn but off the Jacksonville State game, they seem to having an off year. Still an upset of the Tigers would be a big deal. They do have a similarity to the '84 Nebraska team. They meet you at the point of attack. If we could meet them there and hold our own, we'll hold our own in the game.

Without Hunt, Dungey, Phillips, etc. (Ismael is supposed to be back), our offense seems as limited as it was in 1984. if we move the ball much, it will probably have to be on the ground. We have a good kicking game so we could have some advantages in field position, The big difference is that our defense, which had to replace 8 starters just doesn't look up to keeping us in this game. Ron Thompson is a quality defensive end, (but is hobbled), and Zaire Franklin is a fine middle linebacker. Neither is on the level of Tim Green, who, like Dwight Freeney, could total dominate games and they don't have as much help. We have some serious weaknesses in our pass defense and LSU has Fournette, who is better than anybody Nebraska had or that we've seen.

I am encouraged by Les Miles' news conference, where he read off a press release when he was asked what he knew about Syracuse. But we are 3-0. We haven't been shut out by Rutgers. I think they will take a road trip to a Dome they've never played in to play a 3-0 team seriously.

I think we start out enthusiastic but find out early that we are over-matched and the Tigers take over as the game goes along and Fournette gets hit hard early but rolls over a tiring defense as the game progresses and LSU wins by a substantial margin. If we had Dungey, (and Phillips), I'd be dreaming of a big upset but that offense that couldn't get a second half first down isn't beating anybody.
Some of your best work, SWC- great post and lotsa memories!
My biggest memory of that game was watching the RB Jamie Covington pick up a crucial 1st down as SU ran out the clock. I lived in Townsend Towers over by Presidential Plaza near Route 81, and we all poured out of our apts after the game. "Stunned" didn't do justice to how we felt after winning that game!
 
Some of your best work, SWC- great post and lotsa memories!
My biggest memory of that game was watching the RB Jamie Covington pick up a crucial 1st down as SU ran out the clock. I lived in Townsend Towers over by Presidential Plaza by Route 81, and we all poured out of our apts after the game. "Stunned" didn't do justice to how we felt after winning that game!
Only bad memory is the ridiculous safety we took at the end of the game.
 
dasher said:
SWX also wrote it was 28. No word games. You are once again being childish and looking for trouble. I don't need it. I have made more $$ betting on games than a lot of people earn. I have been so successful that I didn't have to stop back in the 80's. I got 28. I have a great memory for things like that. Look for your trouble elsewhere. It isn't worth my time.

I'm looking for trouble? I didn't even respond to your post. I responded to SWC's post where he found the line in the paper at 25 after he had said it was 28. So I responded to HiM, not YOU, about me getting 25 and that it wasn't 28. His finding it the paper confirmed what I remembered as the "line". That's why I replied to him since he had mentioned both. Had nothing to even do with you or anyone else's posts or memory.

But you decided to jump on my post and reply to me. Look in the mirror.
 
I'm looking for trouble? I didn't even respond to your post. I responded to SWC's post where he found the line in the paper at 25 after he had said it was 28. So I responded to HiM, not YOU, about me getting 25 and that it wasn't 28. His finding it the paper confirmed what I remembered as the "line". That's why I replied to him since he had mentioned both. Had nothing to even do with you or anyone else's posts or memory.

But you decided to jump on my post and reply to me. Look in the mirror.
LOL So SWC got the line out of the paper. You just went off on how the line in the paper means nothing. I have no problem with you getting 25. I got 28. The line in western mass would be higher than in Syracuse. 3 pts is a little much. But it was you that said that 28 wasn't the line. It was if I got it. And you made a point out of saying the line I got wasn't the line. It was a dig, however meaningless, and it wasn't well taken. This isn't the first time, either. You doubted my poker story earlier in the year. For what reason, who knows. I can't imagine why it would bother you that I have won 8 well paying tournaments this year.
 
dasher said:
LOL So SWC got the line out of the paper. You just went off on how the line in the paper means nothing. I have no problem with you getting 25. I got 28. The line in western mass would be higher than in Syracuse. 3 pts is a little much. But it was you that said that 28 wasn't the line. It was if I got it. And you made a point out of saying the line I got wasn't the line. It was a dig, however meaningless, and it wasn't well taken. This isn't the first time, either. You doubted my poker story earlier in the year. For what reason, who knows. I can't imagine why it would bother you that I have won 8 well paying tournaments this year.

I said the line wasn't 28. Not that you couldn't get 28 someplace. You know the difference between what the line us and what an individual can get at a local book or someplace else. And I don't remember what poker post you are referring too. I always enjoy reading your poker exploits and am admittedly jealous that I never seem to be able to win a tournament with the exception of a cruise ship one that qualified me for their national tournament.
 

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