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This year I’m including net points information with my post game updates but doing monthly posts breaking the information out so we can chart the trends.
Again the formula is to add the “positives”, (points rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) and subtract the “negatives”, (missed field goals, missed free throws, turnovers and fouls) on the theory that all these numbers are, on average worth between 0.5 and 1.5 points and you can summarize a player’s statistical contributions to his team by adding the positives and subtracting the negatives. Of course, there are things not covered by the stats, (getting loose balls- which should be a stat- sneaker to sneaker defense, keeping the ball moving, providing an outlet man for a player surrounded by defenders, the timeliness of things, being a an example and leader off the court, etc), But the most statistically productive players will normally be the best at these other things as well.
In my post game summaries, I’m totaling the net points and multiplying by 40, then dividing by the number of minutes played on the season. I’m adding my numbers up as I go along. In these monthly posts, I’ll multiply each stat by 40/minutes played and then adding and subtracting the result so the numbers might be slightly different due to rounding. I’m also adding two other stats: “Offensive Efficiency“ (OE), which is points minus missed field goals and free throws, and “Floor Game“ (FG), which is rebounds, assists, blocks and steals minus turnovers and fouls. When I do the monthly post, I’ll also review the numbers on the latest game summary vs. the overall numbers on the SU Athletics website to correct any mistakes. Finally I’ve decided to list the best seasons of our most famous players since the 1983-84, (the earliest year for which all the numerical components of the net points formula are available), for comparison purposes. Of course, as we go along, the numbers of the current SU players will become more meaningful as we have a greater sample vs. better opposition.
M= minutes per game the team has played, (If players get injured or suspended, I will use the number of games for which they were available)
P= points per 40 minutes.
R= rebounds per 40 minutes
A= assists per 40 minutes
B= blocks per 40 minutes
S= steals per 40 minutes
+= total of P+R+A+B+S
MFG= missed field goals per 40 minutes
MFT= missed free throws per 40 minutes
TO= turnovers per 40 minutes
PF= personal fouls per 40 minutes
- = total of MFG+MFT+TO+PF
NP= + minus -
OE= P minus MFG+MFT
FG= R+A+S+B minus TO+PF
(This is through the DePaul game of 1/1/02. Previous numbers were through the Eastern Michigan game of 11/29/11)
CENTERS
Fab Melo
22.9M 12.5P 9.6R 1.2A 0.9S 5.5B = 29.7+ 4.3MFG 1.3MFT 2.3TO 4.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 6.9OE 10.5FG
Previous numbers:
21.4M 10.9P 9.6R 1.1A 1.1S 4.8B = 27.5+ 5.1MFG 1.9MFT 2.7TO 5.1PF = 14.8- = 14.8NP 3.9OE 8.8FG
Baye Moussa Keita
11.5M 10.5P 8.8R 0.5A 0.7S 3.7B = 24.2+ 1.4MFG 1.2MFT 0.9TO 6.0PF = 9.5- = 14.7NP 7.9OE 6.8FG
Previous numbers:
11.7M 13.7P 10.2R 0.5A 1.0S 3.9B = 29.3+ 0.5MFG 1.5MFT 1.0TO 7.8PF = 10.8- = 18.5NP 11.7OE 6.8FG
Comment: Everybody talked about how much better Melo looked and how much quicker and more athletic he was at the beginning of the year. But he didn’t stop there. He’s learning to play the game better. He’s showing some inside moves offensively and blocking more shots while committing fewer fouls. On the other hand, Keita has regressed. He showed some offensive moves early but they have disappeared of late. He’s also not getting to rebounds as well. He’s also committing fewer fouls but he doing fewer positive things and looking more an more like a back-up center than a second starter.
FORWARDS
Rakeem Christmas
12.6M 11.6P 9.3R 0.2A 1.5S 2.5B = 25.1+ 3.0MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 6.3PF = 13.8- = 11.3NP 7.1OE 4.2FG
Previous numbers:
14.9M 11.5P 10.4R 0.4A 1.2S 1.5B = 25.0+ 3.1MFG 0.8MFT 2.7TO 7.6PF = 12.8- = 12.2NP 7.6OE 4.7FG
Kris Joseph
28.91M 19.4P 7.2R 2.3A 1.8S 0.8B = 31.5+ 8.6MFG 1.0MFT 1.5TO 2.0PF = 13.1- = 18.4NP 9.8OE 8.6FG
Previous numbers:
27.1M 21.7P 8.4R 1.9A 2.1S 0.2B = 34.3+ 8.2MFG 1.3MFT 1.9TO 2.9PF = 14.3- = 20.0NP 12.2OE 7.8FG
CJ Fair
24.1M 13.5P 8.4R 1.3A 1.9S 0.6B = 25.7+ 5.2MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 1.8PF = 9.2- = 16.5NP 7.6OE 8.9FG
Previous numbers:
24.1M 13.5P 9.9R 1.4A 2.4S 0.7B = 27.9+ 5.2MFG 1.2MFT 1.9TO 1.9PF = 10.2- = 17.7NP 7.1OE 10.6FG
James Southerland
16.3M 20.7P 8.0R 1.6A 2.9S 2.3B = 35.5+ 6.2MFG 1.1MFT 0.8TO 2.1PF = 10.2- = 25.3NP 13.4OE 11.9FG
Previous numbers:
16.4M 25.7P 8.7R 2.1A 3.8S 1.7B = 42.0+ 6.3MFG 0.3MFT 0.3TO 1.4PF = 8.3- = 33.7NP 19.1OE 14.6FG
Comment: Christmas, (also our third string center) is basically having a typical first year for a big man: flashes of talent amid the struggles. His big problem is that he commits too many fouls to stay in there very long. It’s all about the future for him. Kris Joseph’s numbers have settled a bit but he’s still the one JB most wants out there because of his versatility, experience and leadership. It is impressive, though that in a game where Joseph had 0 points and 1 rebound we beat an 11-1 team by 26 points. CJ Fair’s numbers are slightly down because he isn’t getting as many rebounds or steals. But his performance against DePaul suggests that his minor playing slump is in the rear-view mirror. Southerland’s incredible early numbers have inevitably settled and will continue to do so but they are still impressive and he’s continued to be a valuable contributor, even if he isn’t a superstar.
GUARDS
Scoop Jardine
21.3M 16.1P 4.9R 7.3A 3.3S 0.1B = 31.7+ 5.6MFG 1.6MFT 3.9TO 1.3PF = 12.4- = 19.3NP 8.9OE 10.4FG
Previous numbers:
18.4M 15.2P 2.4R 9.0A 3.7S 0.0B = 30.3+ 6.5MFG 2.5MFT 3.7TO 0.9PF = 13.6- = 16.7NP 6.2OE 10.5FG
Brandon Triche
21.5M 18.3P 4.0R 5.7A 2.1S 0.4B = 30.5+ 8.7MFG 0.5MFT 2.6TO 2.5PF = 14.3- = 16.2NP 9.1OE 7.1FG
Previous numbers:
21.9M 20.1P 4.4R 6.5A 1.8S 0.5B = 33.3+ 8.6MFG 0.5MFT 3.9TO 2.1PF = 15.1- = 18.2NP 11.0OE 7.2FG
Dion Waiters
21.3M 23.6P 3.1R 5.1A 4.0S 0.5B = 36.3+ 8.0MFG 1.5MFT 2.8TO 2.6PF = 14.9- = 21.4NP 14.1OE 7.3FG
Previous numbers:
22.4M 21.1P 2.8R 6.1A 4.1S 0.8B = 34.9+ 8.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.3TO 3.3PF = 15.8- = 19.1NP 10.9OE 8.2FG
Michael Carter-Willliams
12.9M 8.5P 5.6R 8.1A 3.1S 1.2B = 26.5+ 5.8MFG 1.7MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 13.6- = 13.6NP +1.0OE +12.6FG
Previous numbers:
13.3M 6.9P 6.0R 7.7A 3.9S 1.3B = 25.8+ 7.3MFG 0.9MFT 3.4TO 3.0PF = 14.6- = 11.2NP -1.3OE 12.5FG
Mookie Jones
2.0M 13.3P 1.3R 4.0A 6.7S 0.0B = 25.3+ 17.3MFG 2.7MFT 1.3TO 1.3PF = 22.6 = +2.7NP -6.7OE 9.4FG
Previous numbers:
3.7M 15.4P 1.5R 3.1A 6.2S 0.0B = 26.2+ 20.0MFG 3.1MFT 1.5TO 1.5PF = 26.1 = 0.1NP -7.7OE 7.7FG
Comments:
Scoop Jardine was pulled form the Stanford game and had to root his teammates on from the bench. It was impressive that he did so rather than sulk. More impressive was his play in the next five games:77NP in 133 minutes, (23.2NP per 40 minutes). Since then he’s back to normal: 27NP in 66 minutes (16.4, which isn’t bad). Brandon Triche’s scoring and assists have gone down but so have his turnovers. We new Dion Waiters was a big-time scorer but he’s getting even better: his offensive efficiency has gone up from 10.9 to 14.1. Mookie Jones used to be just a shooter. Now that’s the only thing he doesn’t do.
Again the formula is to add the “positives”, (points rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) and subtract the “negatives”, (missed field goals, missed free throws, turnovers and fouls) on the theory that all these numbers are, on average worth between 0.5 and 1.5 points and you can summarize a player’s statistical contributions to his team by adding the positives and subtracting the negatives. Of course, there are things not covered by the stats, (getting loose balls- which should be a stat- sneaker to sneaker defense, keeping the ball moving, providing an outlet man for a player surrounded by defenders, the timeliness of things, being a an example and leader off the court, etc), But the most statistically productive players will normally be the best at these other things as well.
In my post game summaries, I’m totaling the net points and multiplying by 40, then dividing by the number of minutes played on the season. I’m adding my numbers up as I go along. In these monthly posts, I’ll multiply each stat by 40/minutes played and then adding and subtracting the result so the numbers might be slightly different due to rounding. I’m also adding two other stats: “Offensive Efficiency“ (OE), which is points minus missed field goals and free throws, and “Floor Game“ (FG), which is rebounds, assists, blocks and steals minus turnovers and fouls. When I do the monthly post, I’ll also review the numbers on the latest game summary vs. the overall numbers on the SU Athletics website to correct any mistakes. Finally I’ve decided to list the best seasons of our most famous players since the 1983-84, (the earliest year for which all the numerical components of the net points formula are available), for comparison purposes. Of course, as we go along, the numbers of the current SU players will become more meaningful as we have a greater sample vs. better opposition.
M= minutes per game the team has played, (If players get injured or suspended, I will use the number of games for which they were available)
P= points per 40 minutes.
R= rebounds per 40 minutes
A= assists per 40 minutes
B= blocks per 40 minutes
S= steals per 40 minutes
+= total of P+R+A+B+S
MFG= missed field goals per 40 minutes
MFT= missed free throws per 40 minutes
TO= turnovers per 40 minutes
PF= personal fouls per 40 minutes
- = total of MFG+MFT+TO+PF
NP= + minus -
OE= P minus MFG+MFT
FG= R+A+S+B minus TO+PF
(This is through the DePaul game of 1/1/02. Previous numbers were through the Eastern Michigan game of 11/29/11)
CENTERS
Fab Melo
22.9M 12.5P 9.6R 1.2A 0.9S 5.5B = 29.7+ 4.3MFG 1.3MFT 2.3TO 4.4PF = 12.3- = 17.4NP 6.9OE 10.5FG
Previous numbers:
21.4M 10.9P 9.6R 1.1A 1.1S 4.8B = 27.5+ 5.1MFG 1.9MFT 2.7TO 5.1PF = 14.8- = 14.8NP 3.9OE 8.8FG
Baye Moussa Keita
11.5M 10.5P 8.8R 0.5A 0.7S 3.7B = 24.2+ 1.4MFG 1.2MFT 0.9TO 6.0PF = 9.5- = 14.7NP 7.9OE 6.8FG
Previous numbers:
11.7M 13.7P 10.2R 0.5A 1.0S 3.9B = 29.3+ 0.5MFG 1.5MFT 1.0TO 7.8PF = 10.8- = 18.5NP 11.7OE 6.8FG
Comment: Everybody talked about how much better Melo looked and how much quicker and more athletic he was at the beginning of the year. But he didn’t stop there. He’s learning to play the game better. He’s showing some inside moves offensively and blocking more shots while committing fewer fouls. On the other hand, Keita has regressed. He showed some offensive moves early but they have disappeared of late. He’s also not getting to rebounds as well. He’s also committing fewer fouls but he doing fewer positive things and looking more an more like a back-up center than a second starter.
FORWARDS
Rakeem Christmas
12.6M 11.6P 9.3R 0.2A 1.5S 2.5B = 25.1+ 3.0MFG 1.5MFT 3.0TO 6.3PF = 13.8- = 11.3NP 7.1OE 4.2FG
Previous numbers:
14.9M 11.5P 10.4R 0.4A 1.2S 1.5B = 25.0+ 3.1MFG 0.8MFT 2.7TO 7.6PF = 12.8- = 12.2NP 7.6OE 4.7FG
Kris Joseph
28.91M 19.4P 7.2R 2.3A 1.8S 0.8B = 31.5+ 8.6MFG 1.0MFT 1.5TO 2.0PF = 13.1- = 18.4NP 9.8OE 8.6FG
Previous numbers:
27.1M 21.7P 8.4R 1.9A 2.1S 0.2B = 34.3+ 8.2MFG 1.3MFT 1.9TO 2.9PF = 14.3- = 20.0NP 12.2OE 7.8FG
CJ Fair
24.1M 13.5P 8.4R 1.3A 1.9S 0.6B = 25.7+ 5.2MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 1.8PF = 9.2- = 16.5NP 7.6OE 8.9FG
Previous numbers:
24.1M 13.5P 9.9R 1.4A 2.4S 0.7B = 27.9+ 5.2MFG 1.2MFT 1.9TO 1.9PF = 10.2- = 17.7NP 7.1OE 10.6FG
James Southerland
16.3M 20.7P 8.0R 1.6A 2.9S 2.3B = 35.5+ 6.2MFG 1.1MFT 0.8TO 2.1PF = 10.2- = 25.3NP 13.4OE 11.9FG
Previous numbers:
16.4M 25.7P 8.7R 2.1A 3.8S 1.7B = 42.0+ 6.3MFG 0.3MFT 0.3TO 1.4PF = 8.3- = 33.7NP 19.1OE 14.6FG
Comment: Christmas, (also our third string center) is basically having a typical first year for a big man: flashes of talent amid the struggles. His big problem is that he commits too many fouls to stay in there very long. It’s all about the future for him. Kris Joseph’s numbers have settled a bit but he’s still the one JB most wants out there because of his versatility, experience and leadership. It is impressive, though that in a game where Joseph had 0 points and 1 rebound we beat an 11-1 team by 26 points. CJ Fair’s numbers are slightly down because he isn’t getting as many rebounds or steals. But his performance against DePaul suggests that his minor playing slump is in the rear-view mirror. Southerland’s incredible early numbers have inevitably settled and will continue to do so but they are still impressive and he’s continued to be a valuable contributor, even if he isn’t a superstar.
GUARDS
Scoop Jardine
21.3M 16.1P 4.9R 7.3A 3.3S 0.1B = 31.7+ 5.6MFG 1.6MFT 3.9TO 1.3PF = 12.4- = 19.3NP 8.9OE 10.4FG
Previous numbers:
18.4M 15.2P 2.4R 9.0A 3.7S 0.0B = 30.3+ 6.5MFG 2.5MFT 3.7TO 0.9PF = 13.6- = 16.7NP 6.2OE 10.5FG
Brandon Triche
21.5M 18.3P 4.0R 5.7A 2.1S 0.4B = 30.5+ 8.7MFG 0.5MFT 2.6TO 2.5PF = 14.3- = 16.2NP 9.1OE 7.1FG
Previous numbers:
21.9M 20.1P 4.4R 6.5A 1.8S 0.5B = 33.3+ 8.6MFG 0.5MFT 3.9TO 2.1PF = 15.1- = 18.2NP 11.0OE 7.2FG
Dion Waiters
21.3M 23.6P 3.1R 5.1A 4.0S 0.5B = 36.3+ 8.0MFG 1.5MFT 2.8TO 2.6PF = 14.9- = 21.4NP 14.1OE 7.3FG
Previous numbers:
22.4M 21.1P 2.8R 6.1A 4.1S 0.8B = 34.9+ 8.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.3TO 3.3PF = 15.8- = 19.1NP 10.9OE 8.2FG
Michael Carter-Willliams
12.9M 8.5P 5.6R 8.1A 3.1S 1.2B = 26.5+ 5.8MFG 1.7MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 13.6- = 13.6NP +1.0OE +12.6FG
Previous numbers:
13.3M 6.9P 6.0R 7.7A 3.9S 1.3B = 25.8+ 7.3MFG 0.9MFT 3.4TO 3.0PF = 14.6- = 11.2NP -1.3OE 12.5FG
Mookie Jones
2.0M 13.3P 1.3R 4.0A 6.7S 0.0B = 25.3+ 17.3MFG 2.7MFT 1.3TO 1.3PF = 22.6 = +2.7NP -6.7OE 9.4FG
Previous numbers:
3.7M 15.4P 1.5R 3.1A 6.2S 0.0B = 26.2+ 20.0MFG 3.1MFT 1.5TO 1.5PF = 26.1 = 0.1NP -7.7OE 7.7FG
Comments:
Scoop Jardine was pulled form the Stanford game and had to root his teammates on from the bench. It was impressive that he did so rather than sulk. More impressive was his play in the next five games:77NP in 133 minutes, (23.2NP per 40 minutes). Since then he’s back to normal: 27NP in 66 minutes (16.4, which isn’t bad). Brandon Triche’s scoring and assists have gone down but so have his turnovers. We new Dion Waiters was a big-time scorer but he’s getting even better: his offensive efficiency has gone up from 10.9 to 14.1. Mookie Jones used to be just a shooter. Now that’s the only thing he doesn’t do.
