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Net Points, Etc. Part 1: The Players

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(This is the first of a series of posts about the 2016-17 Syracuse basketball team. I'm separating them out because of length)

This reflects numbers for the Pre-Conference Season, the Conference Season, the Post Season and totally.

NET POINTS

Glossary:
M= minutes per game that the player was available, (Chukwu was out after the 9th game: he’s played in only 7 games because the coach simply did not choose to use him in two games prior to his eye surgery. His total minutes are thus divided by the 9 games he was available, not the 7 games he played – as on the SU website- or the 13 games the team played. Coleman, on the other hand suited up for every game, even though JB stopped using him due to the pain in his knees. So I divided his minutes by 34 games, even though he only appeared in 17 games.)
P= points, R= rebounds, A= assists, S= steals, B= blocks, all per 40 minutes of play.
+ = the total of P+R+A+S+B, the “positive” statistics that are in the box score
MFG = missed field goals, MFT = missed free throws, TO= turnovers, PF= personal fouls, all per 40 minutes.
- = the total of MFG+MFT+TO=PF
NP = “Net Points”, the sum of + minus –per 40 minutes
OE = “ Offensive Efficiency”, P minus (MFG + MFT)
FG = NP minus OE, that is what portion of a player’s value lies in things he does other than scoring that still wind up in box score.
There are of course contributions, positive and negative that don’t’ show up in the box score like sneaker-to-sneaker defense, getting loose balls, (which could be a stat)tipping rebounds to others, providing an outlet to trapped players and just keeping the ball moving in general, “basketball IQ”, plus leadership, good humor, setting an example, etc. Net Points is just about statistical production. But I think the most statistically productive players tend to rate highly in these other areas, as well.

CENTERS

DaJuan Coleman
Pre-Conference:
17.4M 15.9P 13.1R 0.5A 0.9S 1.6B 32.0+ 5.5MFG 2.3MFT 3.5TO 5.5PF 16.8- = 15.2NP 8.1OE 7.1FG
Conference:
2.2M 6.2P 7.2R 0.0A 2.1S 0.0B 15.5+ 2.1MFG 1.0MFT 3.1TO 4.1PF 10.3- = 5.2NP 3.1OE 2.1FG
Post-Season:
Did Not Play.
Total:
7.8M 14.5P 12.2R 0.5A 1.1S 1.4B 29.7+ 5.0MFG 2.3MFT 3.5TO 5.6PF 16.4- = 13.3NP 7.2OE 6.1FG

Paschal Chukwu
Pre-Conference:
12.0M 4.4P 10.7R 0.7A 1.1S 5.2B 22.1+ 1.1MFG 3.3MFT 3.7TO 5.6PF 13.7- = 8.4NP 0.0OE 8.4FG
Conference:
Did not play due to injury.
Post-Season:
Did not play due to injury.
Total:
12.0M 4.4P 10.7R 0.7A 1.1S 5.2B 22.1+ 1.1MFG 3.3MFT 3.7TO 5.6PF 13.7- = 8.4NP 0.0OE 8.4FG

Comments: We lost both our centers early. It would have bene interesting to see how Boeheim used a healthy Coleman and a healthy Chukwu because they are exact opposites: one a comparatively short college center, (I don’t think he was over 6-8 if that, despite being listed as 6-9) but muscular, a good rebounder and the closest thing we had to an inside game before Lydon started making some back-to-the-basket moves late in the season, the other a stringbean 7-2 guy who could block shots and do little else. Instead, we had neither.

I haven’t given up on Chuwku or Frank Howard, who have two more years left. Fans tend to simply look at who we lost and who we gain in determining what might happen next year. But the improvement of returning players is at least as important. People assume that if they’ve seen someone, they’ve seen all they can do. Some players, like Tyler Roberson, don’t get better or regress. Others, like Rakeem Christmas, work hard and get better, some so much they don’t’ even seem to be the same player. A lot of what happens the next two years will be based on whish direction Chukwu and Howard go. It would be nice to have a 7-2 guy who could guard the basket, block shots and do some rebounding in the middle of the zone and a big, experienced point guard at the top of it.



FORWARDS

Andrew White
Pre-Conference:
32.9M 17.9P 5.0R 1.9A 2.0S 0.3B 27.1+ 8.3MFG 1.1MFT 1.6TO 2.1PF 13.1- = 14.0NP 8.5OE 5.5FG
Conference:
39.8M 20.2P 5.1R 0.9A 1.7S 0.5B 28.4+ 8.1MFG 0.5MFT 2.0TO 4.6PF 12.9- = 15.5NP 11.6OE 3.9FG
Post-Season:
40.0M 24.7P 4.7R 0.3A 1.3S 0.0B 31.0+ 5.7MFG 0.7MFT 1.0TO 2.7PF 10.1- = 20.9NP 18.3OE 2.6FG
Total:
37.2M 19.8P 5.0R 1.2A 1.2S 0.4B 28.1+ 8.0MFG 0.7MFT 1.8TO 2.3PF 12.8- = 15.3NP 11.1OE 4.3FG

Tyler Lydon
Pre-Conference:
31.3M 16.3P 9.8R 2.6A 1.2S 1.2B 31.1+ 6.2MFG 1.2MFT 1.9TO 2.5PF 11.8- = 19.3NP 8.9OE 10.4FG
Conference:
38.9M 14.2P 9.0R 2.0A 1.1S 1.8B 28.1+ 4.9MFG 0.3MFT 1.8TO 2.9PF 9.9- = 18.2NP 9.0OE 9.2FG
Post-Season:
40.0M 11.0P 12.0R 3.0A 1.0S 2.0B 29.0+ 6.7MFG 0.7MFT 3.0TO 3.0PF 13.4- = 15.6NP 3.6OE 12.0FG
Total:
36.1M 14.6P 9.6R 2.3A 1.1S 1.6B 29.2+ 5.5MFG 0.6MFT 1.9TO 2.7PF 17.3- = 18.5NP 8.5OE 10.0FG

Tyler Roberson

Pre-Conference:
17.5M 13.2P 10.5R 1.6A 0.7S 1.6B 13.7+ 6.0MFG 2.1MFT 1.9TO 3.9PF 13.9- = 13.7NP 5.1OE 8.6FG
Conference:
22.6M 9.3P 9.4R 1.8A 1.1S 1.7B 23.3+ 2.5MFG 1.7MFT 2.0TO 4.6PF 10.8- = 12.5NP 5.1OE 7.4FG
Post-Season:
19.0M 5.6P 7.7R 2.1A 2.1S 0.7B 18.2+ 0.0MFG 1.4MFT 4.2TO 0.7PF 6.3- = 11.9NP 4.2OE 7.7FG
Total:
20.4M 10.3P 9.7R 1.7A 1.0S 4.0B 24.3+ 3.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.1TO 4.0PF 11.3- = 13.0NP 5.1OE 7.9FG

Taureen Thompson
Pre-Conference:
17.0M 21.4P 9.2R 1.8A 1.1S 2.7B 36.2+ 6.7MFG 1.4MFT 3.1TO 4.5PF 15.7- = 20.5NP 13.3OE 7.2FG
Conference:
17.9M 19.6P 7.3R 1.0A 1.4S 1.7B 31.0+ 7.8MFG 2.0MFT 2.8TO 6.6PF 19.2- = 11.8NP 9.8OE 2.0FG
Post-Season:
21.0M 22.9P 12.1R 0.6A 3.8S 2.5B 41.9+ 4.4MFG 1.9MFT 2.5TO 3.8PF 12.6- = 29.3NP 16.6OE 12.7FG
Total:
17.9M 20.6P 8.5R 1.3A 1.5S 2.2B 34.1+ 7.1MFG 1.8MFT 2.9TO 5.5PF 1.73- = 16.8NP 11.7OE 5.1FG

Comments: White may spoil us for Grad transfers, thinking they are all like that. While his fellow GT, (grand Touring?) John Gillon was the most inconsistent player we’ve ever had, White may have bene the most consistent. He’s a shooter’s shooter. He didn’t accumulate any other big numbers so hit net points are good but not of an All-American level, even though he seemed like on. But he’s a swing man by trade and it’s hard for a swing man to accumulate big numbers in rebounds, assists or blocks and a big-time shooter is going to miss more shots than anyone else. I actually thought that by the end of the season, he was a fine all-around player, scoring big and do at least a little bit of everything else. He was only here a year but we won’t forget this guy any time soon.

Lydon’s scoring declined when he had to start playing center. He fought back against being surrounded by the defense by developing some inside moves but it was still hard being a “stretch 4”. I also subscribe to the theory that he was reluctant to shoot from outside because he realized that, as a center, he belonged inside and he shot poorly because of that reluctance. If he had stayed and Chukwu developed, (or Thompson or Sibidie), he could have moved back to forward, (where he’ll surely play in the NBA) and things would have come more naturally to him.

Roberson progressively faded and wasn’t even rebounding well by the end of the season, although he played well at times on defense. Just as a combination of Coleman and Chukwu would have been the next Shaq, a combination of Roberson and Thompson would be the next Tim Duncan. But the team doctor isn’t that good.

There are actually three box score stats that involve defense, not just two. Thomspon’s blocks and steals went sharply up late in the season. But more important than that is that his fouls went sharply down. Fouls tend to be committed by players who are being beaten and defense and are reaching out to try to make up for it. Thompson’s fouls dropped from 6.6 in the conference season to 3.8 while his blocks moved from 1.7 to 2.5 and his steals went from 1.4 to 3.8. that’s based on a small sample of three post season games but it is encouraging. I loved the line in one thread where a poster dismissed the steals as “just being in the right place at the right time”. If we could get five guys to do that, we’re all set. Thompson may be figuring this thing out and if he does, the sky is the limit.


GUARDS

John Gillon
Pre-Conference:
23.4M 15.4P 3.2R 7.4A 2.9S 0.0B 28.9+ 6.4MFG 1.1MFT 2.1TO 1.7PF 11.3- = 17.6NP 7.9OE 9.7FG
Conference:
34.5M 14.5P 2.1R 7.3A 1.5S 0.1B 25.5+ 6.1MFG 0.4MFT 3.0TO 2.1PF 11.6- = 13.9NP 8.0OE 5.9FG
Post-Season:
30.0M 3.7P 1.3R 5.0A 1.0S 0.0B 11.0+ 2.7MFG 0.3MFT 3.0TO 2.3PF 8.3- = 2.7NP 0.7OE 2.0FG
Total:
29.9M 14.1P 2.5R 7.3A 1.9S 0.0B 25.8+ 6.0MFG 0.6MFT 2.8TO 2.0PF 11.4- = 14.4NP 7.5OE 6.9FG

Tyus Battle
Pre-Conference:
23.4M 14.5P 2.8R 2.6A 1.8S 0.4B 22.1+ 6.1MFG 0.7MFT 2.0TO 3.2PF 12.0- = 10.1NP 7.7OE 2.4FG
Conference:
34.9M 14.3P 2.8R 1.8A 1.6S 0.3B 20.8+ 6.1MFG 0.8MFT 1.3TO 2.2PF 10.4- = 10.4NP 7.4OE 3.0FG
Post-Season:
37.3M 18.2P 2.5R 3.2A 1.8S 0.0B 25.7+ 8.6MFG 0.4MFT 1.4TO 2.9PF 13.3- = 12.4NP 9.2OE 3.2FG
Total:
30.7M 14.8P 2.8R 2.2A 1.7S 0.3B 21.8+ 6.4MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 2.5PF 11.1- = 10.7NP 7.7OE 3.0FG

Frank Howard
Pre-Conference:
23.3M 12.1P 4.2R 10.7A 3.6S 0.5B 30.6+ 6.5MFG 2.1MFT 4.0TO 4.0PF 16.6 - = 14.0NP 3.5OE 10.5FG
Conference:
10.7M 9.8P 4.6R 6.9A 2.1S 0.0B 23.4+ 6.9MFG 0.8MFT 5.0TO 5.0PF 17.7 - = 5.7NP 2.1OE 3.6FG
Post-Season:
13.3M 10.5P 1.1R 6.3A 1.1S 1.1B 20.1+ 8.4MFG 4.2MFT 3.2TO 2.1PF 17.9- = 2.2NP -2.1OE 4.3FG
Total:
15.7M 11.2P 4.1R 9.0A 2.9S 0.4B 27.6+ 6.8MFG 1.5MFT 4.3TO 4.2PF 16.8- = 10.8NP 2.9OE 7.9FG

Comments: Gillon was either Step or a stiff. His games against NC State, (43 points on 9 of 10 treys and 14 of 14 from the field, including a buzzer shot to send the game into overtime), and Duke, (26 points, 6 assists, no turnovers and a 35 foot game winner) will never be forgotten. But in other games he didn’t seem to care, especially the NIT games, where he got off 3 shots in 52 minutes. Boeheim asked him who told him to not shoot and he said “No one.” I asked Bud Poliquin about White and Gillon and why Gillon was the opposite of White in terms of consistency and Bud suggested that Gillon is one of those guys who needs more positive reinforcement than he gets from Boeheim. He also came here to play in the NCAA tournament and when that didn’t happen, he just checked out. If he wants a professional career, he needs to develop a professional attitude.

The heroics of White and Gillon obscured the fact that Tyus Battle had one of the best freshmen years we’ve seen in a while, (which means we should enjoy him while he’s here). He averaged over 15 net points and scored almost 20 points per 40 minutes. He could play defense, help out with the rebounding and ball handling, drive to the basket, get shots off the dribble and- surprise, drain the outside shots, including the game winner at Clemson, which came after he’d been 1 for 6 from the field. He also, with Gillon, White and Lydon, gave us four 80% free throw shooters in the line-up at the same time. I think next year he could, at 6-6, rebound a little better than 2.8 per 40 minutes and handle the ball more than 2.2 assists. With White, Gillon and now Lydon gone, he’ll score more than 14.8. Then he’ll be off to the NBA.

People looked at Frank Howard as something of a failure who got beat out by Gillon, maybe because he was already here and was probably half a foot taller than Gillon. But they forgot he was a sophomore and Gillon was a 5th year senior. Frank will never be the scorer Gillon was but he could emerge, not as Scoop Jardine, (the comparison JB made) but as a Lazarus Sims type big point guard who can deal assists, rebound and use his size to make the zone more formidable.
 
Good stuff.

The late season improvements by TT on the D end (and less fouling) are very encouraging.
He still has a long way to go to get to "meh" on defense, but at least he is trending in the right direction.

Battle is going to be the Alpha dog next year, and TT will be a great Robin to his Batman.
We just need some other solid pieces around them, and we could surprise to the upside.

Mostly good PG play - whether that be from an improved Frankie, Washington, or TBD.
And we desperately need a shooting 3. JuiceMan, come on down!!
The Mali/AWIII role is yours for the taking.

Oh, and I REALLY enjoyed being good at FT shooting!!!
I didn't know Syracuse could ever do that. Thought it was against the rules or something. :p
 
Z??? He had one of the best handles in Cuse history.
 

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