New NYS NIL law

[sufandu]

Well to play captain obvious here- yes you don't get from verbally pointing out how bad it is and the need to replace it to actually doing it over night. No simplicity is being implied in any of us saying it should be replaced/cease to exist.

The super conference tug of war is one ongoing process that ultimately will play its part, paired with legislation.

Have to figure it's not a singular replacement in that something could exist for non major sports and then a much different infrastructure for major sports. It's going to be a wild ride the next decade. The wheels are in motion on the NCAA losing more and more grip on having purpose.

I believe you when you say you understand, but I also think there are quite a few people, some on here, that don't understand the NCAA is actually made up of the member institutions and it's not something they were arbitrarily forced into.

 

[Orangezoo]

I believe you when you say you understand, but I also think there are quite a few people, some on here, that don't understand the NCAA is actually made up of the member institutions and it's not something they were arbitrarily forced into.

Like anything else it wasn't a failure of creation but instead graduated into a failure over time. If there are folks who feel this was forced upon institutions I would be surprised honestly but we don't differ at all there.

 

[sufandu]

Like anything else it wasn't a failure of creation but instead graduated into a failure over time. If there are folks who feel this was forced upon institutions I would be surprised honestly but we don't differ at all there.

Yeah, I think college sports became more than it could handle. And I also think they eventually became stuck between a rock and a hard place. As colleges, players, boosters, etc. took advantage of loopholes to usurp obvious intent of rules they had to become so specific and numerous with those rules that it became difficult to follow and impossible to police. Then you inject agendas, lack of character, and lack of accountability and you get wild inconsistency with enforcement. They deserve a ton of blame for the hatred they get, but I don't think institutions are off the hook for making their job so difficult to do.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

so does this mean that NY could pass a law that says NY schools in the ivy league would not have to abide by those rules as well and could not be punished by the IVY for doing things like adds scholies?

I think the prohibition against the NCAA investigating its members when it’s members have agreed to be governed by NCAA rules might be suspect.

 

[grepal]

The NCAA is literally the member institutions. It is not some outside entity forced upon them. They can choose to keep or replace it at anytime.

Yeah, It is pat time to put that corrupt body to bed.

 

[sufandu]

Yeah, It is pat time to put that corrupt body to bed.

I think it would be good to start from scratch. I think any governing body will have the same problems unless it has way more money and personnel to investigate rules violations. Regardless of the governing body, people will try to cheat.

 

[llandz]

It passed in the Assembly 143-0 and in the state Senate 60-1 So who was the one lone person?

Also I like the thought process of protecting the athlete by having a trusted person in the athletic department able to help them navigate the process. I could really see some boosters taking advantage of the student athletes, and when you look at it from that standpoint it makes a ton of sense.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

So does this mean we can relax and play the system like other less conservative schools already are?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

So does this mean we can relax and play the system like other less conservative schools already are?

Can someone explain this to me, as if I’m a 5-year old?

How does NYS prevent the NCAA from acting as it sees fit? How does NYS create a law that prevents the NCAA from invalidating eligibility of a player or prevents the NCAA from not including a team in its tournament?

Seems like the law might be able to prevent the NCAA from acquiring information from entities within NYS about the origins and amounts of funding? And ostensibly if that kind of investigation is hampered, the NCAA can’t then enact penalties? So it makes the ncaa inert by just making it harder to see violations?

 

[Orangezoo]

It passed in the Assembly 143-0 and in the state Senate 60-1 So who was the one lone person?

Also I like the thought process of protecting the athlete by having a trusted person in the athletic department able to help them navigate the process. I could really see some boosters taking advantage of the student athletes, and when you look at it from that standpoint it makes a ton of sense.

UConn fan?

 

[Sbucketball]

Pitino's about to be an absolute trailblazer on the NIL front.

 

[PauliePeppas]

This seems umm rather significant…..

 

[MSOrange]

 

[PauliePeppas]

Wonder if this changes things with Weitsman

 

[texascpa]

Can someone explain this to me, as if I’m a 5-year old?

How does NYS prevent the NCAA from acting as it sees fit? How does NYS create a law that prevents the NCAA from invalidating eligibility of a player or prevents the NCAA from not including a team in its tournament?

Seems like the law might be able to prevent the NCAA from acquiring information from entities within NYS about the origins and amounts of funding? And ostensibly if that kind of investigation is hampered, the NCAA can’t then enact penalties? So it makes the ncaa inert by just making it harder to see violations?

Yes, NY Law trumps any NCAA regulation concerning the matter. Texas has just done something similar and the NCAA compliance has apparently sent a letter to TAMU about the possibility of investigation. TAMU has told them to bring it on.

 

[orangefog]

Wonder if this changes things with Weitsman

Unfortunately, it doesn’t. It’s too bad things weren’t handled differently.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Yes, NY Law trumps any NCAA regulation concerning the matter. Texas has just done something similar and the NCAA compliance has apparently sent a letter to TAMU about the possibility of investigation. TAMU has told them to bring it on.

I'm still not seeing the HOW part of this.

Why can't the NCAA just say, "If you don't comply with an investigation, you're ineligible to compete in our games."

If the answer is that the NYS school would just say, "We are prohibited, by law, from compliance in your investigation, so we will sue the NCAA if it penalizes us," then i guess that's my answer. But, isn't the NCAA a private organization? Can't they invite/disinvite anyone they want?

If states can just arbitrarily make their own laws governing interstate athletics... we have no rules whatsoever. Kinda reminds me of national elections.

 

[two3zone]

Wonder if this changes things with Weitsman

I heard a week or more ago that he’s been back.

 

[orangefog]

I heard a week or more ago that he’s been back.

From what I’m told, that isn’t true. And, he likely won’t be involved with NIL for Syracuse and he gave up his box and season tickets.

 

[SP_Gilbs]

From what I’m told, that isn’t true. And, he likely won’t be involved with NIL for Syracuse and he gave up his box and season tickets.

Yeah I sent him a text earlier today asking if the new law impacted his involvement and he replied that he will not be getting reinvolved with NIL. Not gonna say exactly what was said, but I believe that the bridge has been burned.

 

[orangefog]

Yeah I sent him a text earlier today asking if the new law impacted his involvement and he replied that he will not be getting reinvolved with NIL. Not gonna say exactly what was said, but I believe that the bridge has been burned.

Yep.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[CU44SE]

1- Pretty sure the NCAA would say we are a private organization. To be apart of this organization you have to follow our rules. If you choose not to follow our rules, then you will not be apart of our organization. Which may lead to bigger and other issues. But no way can the NCAA allow certain schools to do whatever they want and not penalize them and then penalize others.

2- Regardless of the above, this is the prime example of why you never burn a bridge. You never know when it may be advantageous to keep the lines open for business’s. With this new rule, if it was allowed, would be beneficial for the school to have a relationship with Adam. I don’t care what happened behind the scenes. The foresight of this administration (chancellor) is boarder line criminal. The LA issue is just another prime example of allowing the current outdated, illogical system to continue to hurt young students. Not just athletic students, but all students. No vision or foresight into the future.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Unfortunately, it doesn’t. It’s too bad things weren’t handled differently.

Maybe it wasn't an issue of how SU handled things.

 

[orangefog]

Maybe it wasn't an issue of how SU handled things.

From one side it was.